Dragonknight - Stamina whip when?

tannips · September 2017

Stam DK currently has to rely mostly on weapon abilities in order to get their non dot damage (i.e. dizzy swing). Having a stam morph of this ability is long overdue. Thoughts?

Thogard · September 2017

Stam DK is in the unfortunate position of being OP in end game trials, but underpowered in end game solo PvE and PvP. (Tank DKs are not underpowered in PvP, just the real "Stam" DKs)

I honestly think a Stam flame whip morph combined with a sliiiight nerf to igneous weapons heavy attack buff would be a good compromise... no Stam DKs would spam the Stam whip in trials because they'll still stick to stacking dots and using heavy attacks, but it would help in PvP. I wouldn't even be upset if they slightly decreased leap damage to compensate.

Juhasow · September 2017

There wont be stam morph of whip. Devs stated that atleast 3 times in ESO Live , and lets be honest stam DK does not need that. What people will want next ? Stamina morph of Mage's Fury on stamsorc ?...

Thogard · September 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

There wont be stam morph of whip. Devs stated that atleast 3 times in ESO Live , and lets be honest stam DK does not need that. What people will want next ? Stamina morph of Mage's Fury on stamsorc ?...

You mean implosion?

Sigtric · September 2017

tannips wrote: »

Stam DK currently has to rely mostly on weapon abilities in order to get their non dot damage (i.e. dizzy swing). Having a stam morph of this ability is long overdue. Thoughts?

This could be said about all of the Stam classes.

That said, as long as you don't take lash away from my mag DK I don't care what happens with the other morph lol

Juhasow · September 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

There wont be stam morph of whip. Devs stated that atleast 3 times in ESO Live , and lets be honest stam DK does not need that. What people will want next ? Stamina morph of Mage's Fury on stamsorc ?...

You mean implosion?

Nice try but implosion works for both magicka and stamina sorc because proccing of physical and shock dmg separately. Also I dont see a reason to bring out the passives while we talk about active abilities.

Thogard · September 2017

Let's take a look at a a bare minimum Stam DK build, with room for the flex slots marked as flex:

Sword/shield bar:
Reverb bash
Vigor
Class Armor buff
Flex
Flex

2H:
Crit rush
Dizzy swing
Executioner
Rally
Flex

So we have three flex spots... this is true for most Stam classes.

Here's the problem: what's the DK's spammable?

Stam sorcs (who are usually DW instead of S/S) will slot crit surge, hurricane, and a spammable like puncture (or more likely they'll use DW and drop reverb for blood thirst and then slot blood craze). Might drop crit rush for shuffle.

Stam wardens will slot birds, bugs, and the wing speed thingy. Huge burst dmg potential, and with their healing ult + brutality from wings they could drop rally and run lightweight beast trap or swarm for a dot. Might drop crit rush for shuffle

Stam templars.. that ones not even funny. They'll run jabs, honor the dead, and maybe puncture.. they don't have a class armor ability so they'll probably run shuffle and/ or the heavy armor ability. Maybe BoL too. Lot of room to play.

Stam nightblades I'm not even going to list because I hardly ever see them using generic abilities.

But what about Stam DKs? What three skills can we run that would compare to any of the above?
Searing strike, FoO and talons?

Where is the burst dmg there? You've got two dots and FoO, which is just a shittier version of hurricane.

Go the igneous route? Run igneous shield, igneous weapons and heal up while hitting with hard heavy attacks? What is this, PvE?

DOts are nice but they're puegeable. And in group fights a Templar is to be expected... cleansing aura is everywhere.

I'm sorry but I just don't see how you could compare FoO + igneous weapons to birds + scorch, or to jabs + purifying light, or to hurricane + implosion..

Morgul667 · September 2017

Stam DK seems fine to me

Juhasow · September 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Let's take a look at a a bare minimum Stam DK build, with room for the flex slots marked as flex:

Sword/shield bar:
Reverb bash
Vigor
Class Armor buff
Flex
Flex

2H:
Crit rush
Dizzy swing
Executioner
Rally
Flex

So we have three flex spots... this is true for most Stam classes.

Here's the problem: what's the DK's spammable?

Stam sorcs (who are usually DW instead of S/S) will slot crit surge, hurricane, and a spammable like puncture (or more likely they'll use DW and drop reverb for blood thirst and then slot blood craze). Might drop crit rush for shuffle.

Stam wardens will slot birds, bugs, and the wing speed thingy. Huge burst dmg potential, and with their healing ult + brutality from wings they could drop rally and run lightweight beast trap or swarm for a dot. Might drop crit rush for shuffle

Stam templars.. that ones not even funny. They'll run jabs, honor the dead, and maybe puncture.. they don't have a class armor ability so they'll probably run shuffle and/ or the heavy armor ability. Maybe BoL too. Lot of room to play.

Stam nightblades I'm not even going to list because I hardly ever see them using generic abilities.

But what about Stam DKs? What three skills can we run that would compare to any of the above?
Searing strike, FoO and talons?

Where is the burst dmg there? You've got two dots and FoO, which is just a shittier version of hurricane.

Go the igneous route? Run igneous shield, igneous weapons and heal up while hitting with hard heavy attacks? What is this, PvE?

DOts are nice but they're puegeable. And in group fights a Templar is to be expected... cleansing aura is everywhere.

I'm sorry but I just don't see how you could compare FoO + igneous weapons to birds + scorch, or to jabs + purifying light, or to hurricane + implosion..

Lol man did You even played some of described classes in PvP ? After things You're saying about some of them looks like You didnt. Also If You comparing different builds it would be nice to do it on wider spectrum then just "do they have spammable ability". Stam DK have nice tankiness , survivality and resource managment thx for buffs and passives and also one of the most bursty class ultimates which is Leap. Noxious Breath grants him Major Fracture which is also nice. PvP stam DK is far from beeing weak even in 2h+bow setups.

amir412 · September 2017

Everything stam dk do, other classes can do it better. TBH i dunno why i keep playing it.

Thogard · September 2017

amir412 wrote: »

Everything stam dk do, other classes can do it better. TBH i dunno why i keep playing it.

Not entirely true. Stam DKs are best at being healed and at blocking.

My concern is that this really pigeon holes the Stam DK into a turtle style build. Which isn't fun IMO.

Ocelot9x · September 2017

With the current meta I think that a poisonous lash will be useless. I'll prefer a rework of claws to something like "deals x damage and x damage after y seconds" to be in line with power of the light/curse/implosion/subterranean assault. And then a small nerf to take flight DMG to not be op.

Izaki · September 2017

Lol. Stam DKs are fine without a whip.

raasdal · September 2017

Thogard wrote: »

Let's take a look at a a bare minimum Stam DK build, with room for the flex slots marked as flex:

Sword/shield bar:
Reverb bash
Vigor
Class Armor buff
Flex
Flex

2H:
Crit rush
Dizzy swing
Executioner
Rally
Flex

So we have three flex spots... this is true for most Stam classes.

Here's the problem: what's the DK's spammable?

Stam sorcs (who are usually DW instead of S/S) will slot crit surge, hurricane, and a spammable like puncture (or more likely they'll use DW and drop reverb for blood thirst and then slot blood craze). Might drop crit rush for shuffle.

Stam wardens will slot birds, bugs, and the wing speed thingy. Huge burst dmg potential, and with their healing ult + brutality from wings they could drop rally and run lightweight beast trap or swarm for a dot. Might drop crit rush for shuffle

Stam templars.. that ones not even funny. They'll run jabs, honor the dead, and maybe puncture.. they don't have a class armor ability so they'll probably run shuffle and/ or the heavy armor ability. Maybe BoL too. Lot of room to play.

Stam nightblades I'm not even going to list because I hardly ever see them using generic abilities.

But what about Stam DKs? What three skills can we run that would compare to any of the above?
Searing strike, FoO and talons?

Where is the burst dmg there? You've got two dots and FoO, which is just a shittier version of hurricane.

Go the igneous route? Run igneous shield, igneous weapons and heal up while hitting with hard heavy attacks? What is this, PvE?

DOts are nice but they're puegeable. And in group fights a Templar is to be expected... cleansing aura is everywhere.

I'm sorry but I just don't see how you could compare FoO + igneous weapons to birds + scorch, or to jabs + purifying light, or to hurricane + implosion..

Just FYI. Due to how Claw / Embers work with the DoT portion, this ability can actually be used as a spammable. It produces the same damage (just 4% less actually) as Puncture from the SnB skill line. Most people are not aware of this...

montjie · September 2017

amir412 wrote: »

Everything stam dk do, other classes can do it better. TBH i dunno why i keep playing it.

Take Flight

pieratsos · September 2017

amir412 wrote: »

Everything stam dk do, other classes can do it better. TBH i dunno why i keep playing it.

Well thats what happens when everyone is a [snip] tank. These days even sorcs find it hard to kill people. Let alone stam DKs.

scipionumatia · September 2017

stam whip with minor heroism pls.
also since Templar and warden have low cost "save my ass" ultis I also request corrosive armor to have a 75-125 cost.

Thogard · September 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

stam whip with minor heroism pls.
also since Templar and warden have low cost "save my ass" ultis I also request corrosive armor to have a 75-125 cost.

Templar has a low cost save my ass ulti? I wasn't aware.

scipionumatia · September 2017

@Thogard fextra life says its at 123 ulti(?) seems off, I thought it was 120 or 125. anyways yeah compared to DK 200 cost save my ass ulti which at most can effect only a few allies with magma shell Templar heal can bring the whole squad back

and yes I know your kidding

Thogard · September 2017

scipionumatia wrote: »

@Thogard fextra life says its at 123 ulti(?) seems off, I thought it was 120 or 125. anyways yeah compared to DK 200 cost save my ass ulti which at most can effect only a few allies with magma shell Templar heal can bring the whole squad back

and yes I know your kidding

No im serious. I play both classes and while the Templar has much more useful skills and passives, its ultis suck.

The one you're referring to is a crappy version of resto that locks the Templar in place and prevents using other abilities, it only delays death since the healing is offset by the incoming dmg (which can't be dodgerolled or mitigated since the Templar is channeling the damn heal)

Don't get me wrong, I think templars are far more OP than non-tank DKs, but their class ults suck.

DeadlyRecluse · September 2017

StamDK has a really nice suite of magicka buffs and 2 solid stamina morphs in-class.

Not saying that StamDK doesn't need some love, but I don't think stamina whip is where that should be.

Metemsycosis · September 2017

No stamina morph of whip is precisely why i haven't leveled up a dk.