Pax, pax! I give up...how do i play my magplar?

generalmyrick · September 2017

Im tired of running into the sword and board templar that just soaks my damage and then wrecks me...
if they have 50% damage i lose...
if i have 6 people with me, we lose.

how do i play this magplar? give me skills, equipment recommendations, everything...im a beat and broken person...

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2017

Fear him out of block and burst him before he breaks free, see how he heal back to full. Overwhelm him with DoTs, especially bleeds that won't get mitigated, gut his healing with defile, watch him purge. Repeat. Oops.

Sharee · September 2017

Go WW form on them, that's the only way to put out enough damage to get through their healing

SnowTheMadDog · September 2017

U want to play him or play against him?

If uwant to be him, get 5 shackle 5 wizard 2 valkyn, elusive mist and u are done
If uwant to beat him u need to burst him, depending on the build it can be tough, with Miat addon he can elusive mist most of ur cc and ***

WillhelmBlack · September 2017

Get really, really good.

If you're a mag DK just go home.

generalmyrick · September 2017

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

generalmyrick · September 2017

SnowTheMadDog wrote: »

U want to play him or play against him?

If uwant to be him, get 5 shackle 5 wizard 2 valkyn, elusive mist and u are done
If uwant to beat him u need to burst him, depending on the build it can be tough, with Miat addon he can elusive mist most of ur cc and ***

What is special about shackle? Extra resources?

FENGRUSH · September 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

..im a beat and broken person...

Do not worry, this is a natural life cycle process for AD.

Joy_Division · September 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

LoL. Do what your opponents are doing to you

generalmyrick · September 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

LoL. Do what your opponents are doing to you

that's why i have come to this noble community for help!

SnowTheMadDog · September 2017

Magicka templar are decent, the weak point for me is that they dont have hard cc to reset the fight when they got rushed in by stam players. imo the key is mobility, i have way better succes with it now that i use elusive mist (even in BG). U can cut the line of sight, heal and combo back in their face. Dont try to 1vX too much . U're not a DK who can apply multiple dot on multiple opponent and keep blocking all the time.

Using shackle allow u two options:
1) using Brew for unlimited magicka regen but still a decent amount of stam (around12k on DW bar)
2 ) using tristat to have a realy good amount of stamina for cc/break or block more (especially good if u play a s/b on each bar for a more defensive setup)

U can ofc switch between the two if the situation requierd more intensive heal etc..

Darkestnght · September 2017

I am no expert or theory crafter but my personal preference for my magplar is as follows;

Rattelcage jewellery - 2 weapon/spell dmg/ 1 recovery
Rattlecage chest - infused tristat enchant

Seducer feet, hands, waist, legs - all heavy, all impen all magika enchant

Front bar - Rattlecage sword, seducer sword, both sharpened
Back bar - Rattlecage sword defending , seducer shield sturdy

Helm/Shoulder - Valkyn Skoria one light infused, one medium impen.

Skills;
Front bar - puncturing sweeps, radiant oppression, topping charge, vampires bain, inner light, Shooting Star

Back bar - Channeled focus, extended ritual, invigorating drain, mist form, honor the dead, Soul Assault

I generally run solo and I am pretty happy with this setup. It seem to work ok in groups to.

generalmyrick · September 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

LoL. Do what your opponents are doing to you

that's why i have come to this noble community for help!

Darkestnght wrote: »

I am no expert or theory crafter but my personal preference for my magplar is as follows;

Rattelcage jewellery - 2 weapon dmg/ 1 recovery
Rattlecage chest - infused tristat enchant

Seducer feet, hands, waist, legs - all heavy, all impen all magika enchant

Front bar - Rattlecage sword, seducer sword, both sharpened
Back bar - Rattlecage sword defending , seducer shield sturdy

Helm/Shoulder - Valkyn Skoria one light infused, one medium impen.

Skills;
Front bar - puncturing sweeps, radiant oppression, topping charge, vampires bain, inner light, Shooting Star

Back bar - Channeled focus, extended ritual, invigorating drain, mist form, honor the dead, Soul Harvest

I generally run solo and I am pretty happy with this setup. It seem to work ok in groups to.

one set for punch and one set for resources?

Darkestnght · September 2017

@ generalmyrick

generalmyrick wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

LoL. Do what your opponents are doing to you

that's why i have come to this noble community for help!

Darkestnght wrote: »

I am no expert or theory crafter but my personal preference for my magplar is as follows;

Rattelcage jewellery - 2 weapon dmg/ 1 recovery
Rattlecage chest - infused tristat enchant

Seducer feet, hands, waist, legs - all heavy, all impen all magika enchant

Front bar - Rattlecage sword, seducer sword, both sharpened
Back bar - Rattlecage sword defending , seducer shield sturdy

Helm/Shoulder - Valkyn Skoria one light infused, one medium impen.

Skills;
Front bar - puncturing sweeps, radiant oppression, topping charge, vampires bain, inner light, Shooting Star

Back bar - Channeled focus, extended ritual, invigorating drain, mist form, honor the dead, Soul Harvest

I generally run solo and I am pretty happy with this setup. It seem to work ok in groups to.

one set for punch and one set for resources?

Yes that is pretty much the idea. Seducer for the cost reduction and Rattlecage for the damage

generalmyrick · September 2017

Darkestnght wrote: »

@ generalmyrick

generalmyrick wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

LoL. Do what your opponents are doing to you

that's why i have come to this noble community for help!

Darkestnght wrote: »

I am no expert or theory crafter but my personal preference for my magplar is as follows;

Rattelcage jewellery - 2 weapon dmg/ 1 recovery
Rattlecage chest - infused tristat enchant

Seducer feet, hands, waist, legs - all heavy, all impen all magika enchant

Front bar - Rattlecage sword, seducer sword, both sharpened
Back bar - Rattlecage sword defending , seducer shield sturdy

Helm/Shoulder - Valkyn Skoria one light infused, one medium impen.

Skills;
Front bar - puncturing sweeps, radiant oppression, topping charge, vampires bain, inner light, Shooting Star

Back bar - Channeled focus, extended ritual, invigorating drain, mist form, honor the dead, Soul Harvest

I generally run solo and I am pretty happy with this setup. It seem to work ok in groups to.

one set for punch and one set for resources?

Yes that is pretty much the idea. Seducer for the cost reduction and Rattlecage for the damage

5 heavy?

Darkestnght · September 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

Darkestnght wrote: »

@ generalmyrick

generalmyrick wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

LoL. Do what your opponents are doing to you

that's why i have come to this noble community for help!

Darkestnght wrote: »

I am no expert or theory crafter but my personal preference for my magplar is as follows;

Rattelcage jewellery - 2 weapon dmg/ 1 recovery
Rattlecage chest - infused tristat enchant

Seducer feet, hands, waist, legs - all heavy, all impen all magika enchant

Front bar - Rattlecage sword, seducer sword, both sharpened
Back bar - Rattlecage sword defending , seducer shield sturdy

Helm/Shoulder - Valkyn Skoria one light infused, one medium impen.

Skills;
Front bar - puncturing sweeps, radiant oppression, topping charge, vampires bain, inner light, Shooting Star

Back bar - Channeled focus, extended ritual, invigorating drain, mist form, honor the dead, Soul Harvest

I generally run solo and I am pretty happy with this setup. It seem to work ok in groups to.

one set for punch and one set for resources?

Yes that is pretty much the idea. Seducer for the cost reduction and Rattlecage for the damage

5 heavy?

Yes 5 heavy and then one light and one medium to take advantage of the Unduanted passives. Also, I use tristat food and run the atronach stone.

generalmyrick · September 2017

@Darkestnght

OMG!!! i tried out your front bar with just a staff and a 4star ran from me and then killed several blues!!! ahahahaahaha

THANKS!!!!!

Darkestnght · September 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

@Darkestnght

OMG!!! i tried out your front bar with just a staff and a 4star ran from me and then killed several blues!!! ahahahaahaha

THANKS!!!!!

Nice

SugaComa · September 2017

I run a magplar and I run three different sets ...

But only one allows survivability in PvP and that's the heavy shackle breaker all impen 2 skoria with imperial wrath or grace of the ancients depending on the mood I'm in

But if you want fun but a challenge go 5 light all devines julianos 2 skoria same jewelry, it's the go to for pve but in PvP while it's great damage your glass cannon so you need a good tank to aid you

As for skills

I don't run always run a heal if healers are in group

But I run

But make sure you have one destruction staff ability if running staff

Vampires bane, purify light, jabs , radiant oppression are your go to damage outputs
Blazing spears cos it hits hard and replenishes your tanks stamina if you have one helping yo

Buffs, ritual of retribution to mark your fighting area ...heals and damages

The rune that protects and returns magical forget the name

Elemental drain to return magica

Structured entropy to increase your damage

Blazing spears cos it hits hard and replenishes your tanks stamina if you have one helping you

Sheild, blazing or harness magica, or honour the dead for oh *** heal

For ults I use one destroy flame ulti on my buff bar and either empowering spear I think it's called or barrier from support line

My skills are the same pretty much no matter what my gear is

Points into thermatuage and elemental expert and healing done and received

All your damage are dots so will proceed skoria

Find your best rotation

Yes my builds not the greatest but it's what I enjoy playing

*** the meta

Lokey0024 · September 2017

Every dot gets purged

If you cant output 28k dmg before they breakfree good luck.

So bring an army. Only way.

ZoS, you done *** it up.

Lexxypwns · September 2017

I just want to point out that the passives for light armor are so drastically better than the passives for heavy that your most logical option is to run light armor. Light armor gives you more damage from its passives than any armor set in the game at the downside of lower resists and some other general survivability.

Now, let's say you decide to run Bloodspawn and Transmutation on a light armor setup to increase your survivability. At this point you will have covered your necessary magika sustain with the recovery on trans combined with the light armor passives and given yourself similar mitigation to what you would have in a heavy build. You still have a full 5pc available that can be used to add more utility, sustain, OR damage. This allows you to run all spell damage glyphs as well.

Let's say you're building heavy, your armor grants you the surviability you need. Now you have 2 5pc sets and a 2pc set to cover all of your sustain and damage. You could run Lich+Skoria to cover your sustain and increase your burst, since you're lacking pen and crit compared to a light armor build, two very important ways to generate burst damage. At this point you have 1 5pc set available to you as a damage choice. Since its in heavy your options are limited to Soulshine, alchemist, julianos, and maybe a few others. All of these will give you less overall damage than the light armor setup while you still don't really have more survivability.

The light armor penetration passive is very very strong, particularly post sharpened nerf, and will account for more damage than you're going to be able to recoup into your build from elsewhere. This is without mentioning that juicy crit; that the sharpened nerf results in light armor providing more remaining mitigation, post penetration, this patch than previous; or how much easier it is to get resistances back into a build than spell penetration.

SnowTheMadDog · September 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I just want to point out that the passives for light armor are so drastically better than the passives for heavy that your most logical option is to run light armor. Light armor gives you more damage from its passives than any armor set in the game at the downside of lower resists and some other general survivability.

Now, let's say you decide to run Bloodspawn and Transmutation on a light armor setup to increase your survivability. At this point you will have covered your necessary magika sustain with the recovery on trans combined with the light armor passives and given yourself similar mitigation to what you would have in a heavy build. You still have a full 5pc available that can be used to add more utility, sustain, OR damage. This allows you to run all spell damage glyphs as well.

Let's say you're building heavy, your armor grants you the surviability you need. Now you have 2 5pc sets and a 2pc set to cover all of your sustain and damage. You could run Lich+Skoria to cover your sustain and increase your burst, since you're lacking pen and crit compared to a light armor build, two very important ways to generate burst damage. At this point you have 1 5pc set available to you as a damage choice. Since its in heavy your options are limited to Soulshine, alchemist, julianos, and maybe a few others. All of these will give you less overall damage than the light armor setup while you still don't really have more survivability.

The light armor penetration passive is very very strong, particularly post sharpened nerf, and will account for more damage than you're going to be able to recoup into your build from elsewhere. This is without mentioning that juicy crit; that the sharpened nerf results in light armor providing more remaining mitigation, post penetration, this patch than previous; or how much easier it is to get resistances back into a build than spell penetration.

lol

generalmyrick · September 2017

How much dam resist, HP's, etc? Am I shooting for?

Joy_Division · September 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

LoL. Do what your opponents are doing to you

that's why i have come to this noble community for help!

Fair enough!

I think a lot of builds can work with templar, there is no "meta" or "best in slot." You find what works for your play-style.

Heavy armor works naturally for templar players who want to be tanky. Damage can be decent, but you've got to get spellpower somewhere, it doesn't come standard with heavy. If you favor tanky or defensive builds, then go this route.

Before Morrowind, I would have said go heavy for damage too, but a light armor spec, as @Lexxypwns pointed out, is going to have so many advantages going for it that it's the go to if you'd want damage rather than survival. Transmutation and wizard's riposte are two light armor sets that grant strong defense so those are very good choices for templars who want to go light armor and damage. Pairing either of these with a damage set like Julianos can be very effective.

Watching two templars fight is about as boring of a matchup there is in ESO because they'll slow, immobile, and just heal through each other's damage. Using a disease enchant to put major defile on them can help (as does using dark flare skill). Usually it's the templar that runs out of resources that loses. Keep up the pressure and force the other templar to use more expensive skills and cc break more often. Light armor is better at managing magicka, so there is that to consider as well.

Lexxypwns · September 2017

SnowTheMadDog wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I just want to point out that the passives for light armor are so drastically better than the passives for heavy that your most logical option is to run light armor. Light armor gives you more damage from its passives than any armor set in the game at the downside of lower resists and some other general survivability.

Now, let's say you decide to run Bloodspawn and Transmutation on a light armor setup to increase your survivability. At this point you will have covered your necessary magika sustain with the recovery on trans combined with the light armor passives and given yourself similar mitigation to what you would have in a heavy build. You still have a full 5pc available that can be used to add more utility, sustain, OR damage. This allows you to run all spell damage glyphs as well.

Let's say you're building heavy, your armor grants you the surviability you need. Now you have 2 5pc sets and a 2pc set to cover all of your sustain and damage. You could run Lich+Skoria to cover your sustain and increase your burst, since you're lacking pen and crit compared to a light armor build, two very important ways to generate burst damage. At this point you have 1 5pc set available to you as a damage choice. Since its in heavy your options are limited to Soulshine, alchemist, julianos, and maybe a few others. All of these will give you less overall damage than the light armor setup while you still don't really have more survivability.

The light armor penetration passive is very very strong, particularly post sharpened nerf, and will account for more damage than you're going to be able to recoup into your build from elsewhere. This is without mentioning that juicy crit; that the sharpened nerf results in light armor providing more remaining mitigation, post penetration, this patch than previous; or how much easier it is to get resistances back into a build than spell penetration.

lol

If you'd like to discuss math and numbers I'd gladly prove what I'm saying. Sure, heavy can out tank light in most situations but as soon as you want to start trying to kill anyone light armor will give you better performance as long as you don't neglect passive defense simply because you're in light armor.

Joy_Division wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

LoL. Do what your opponents are doing to you

that's why i have come to this noble community for help!

Fair enough!

I think a lot of builds can work with templar, there is no "meta" or "best in slot." You find what works for your play-style.

Heavy armor works naturally for templar players who want to be tanky. Damage can be decent, but you've got to get spellpower somewhere, it doesn't come standard with heavy. If you favor tanky or defensive builds, then go this route.

Before Morrowind, I would have said go heavy for damage too, but a light armor spec, as @Lexxypwns pointed out, is going to have so many advantages going for it that it's the go to if you'd want damage rather than survival. Transmutation and wizard's riposte are two light armor sets that grant strong defense so those are very good choices for templars who want to go light armor and damage. Pairing either of these with a damage set like Julianos can be very effective.

Watching two templars fight is about as boring of a matchup there is in ESO because they'll slow, immobile, and just heal through each other's damage. Using a disease enchant to put major defile on them can help (as does using dark flare skill). Usually it's the templar that runs out of resources that loses. Keep up the pressure and force the other templar to use more expensive skills and cc break more often. Light armor is better at managing magicka, so there is that to consider as well.

Trans and riposte are particularly excellent on magplars with SnB back bar since you can then fit a 5pc and monster set on your body and still run a maelstrom staff or dw willpower. I think that these sets and bloodspawn allow light armor builds to achieve enough tankiness while still having the big burst required to punish mistakes.

generalmyrick · September 2017

THANKS GUYS, MY PVPing HAS GOTTEN WAY BETTER!!!!

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2017

SnowTheMadDog wrote: »

Magicka templar are decent, the weak point for me is that they dont have hard cc to reset the fight when they got rushed in by stam players.

Huh? Javeline and/ or Toppling Charge work very well as a cc for me. Or Destro Touch if you're into sticks.

gepe87 · September 2017

Darkestnght wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Darkestnght wrote: »

@ generalmyrick

generalmyrick wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Both, I have a magplar and I keep getting wrecked by my own class...

LoL. Do what your opponents are doing to you

that's why i have come to this noble community for help!

Darkestnght wrote: »

I am no expert or theory crafter but my personal preference for my magplar is as follows;

Rattelcage jewellery - 2 weapon dmg/ 1 recovery
Rattlecage chest - infused tristat enchant

Seducer feet, hands, waist, legs - all heavy, all impen all magika enchant

Front bar - Rattlecage sword, seducer sword, both sharpened
Back bar - Rattlecage sword defending , seducer shield sturdy

Helm/Shoulder - Valkyn Skoria one light infused, one medium impen.

Skills;
Front bar - puncturing sweeps, radiant oppression, topping charge, vampires bain, inner light, Shooting Star

Back bar - Channeled focus, extended ritual, invigorating drain, mist form, honor the dead, Soul Harvest

I generally run solo and I am pretty happy with this setup. It seem to work ok in groups to.

one set for punch and one set for resources?

Yes that is pretty much the idea. Seducer for the cost reduction and Rattlecage for the damage

5 heavy?

Yes 5 heavy and then one light and one medium to take advantage of the Unduanted passives. Also, I use tristat food and run the atronach stone.

I tried this, but without spell penetration you can't do much damage. I'm changing 1 sword to nirnhorned to increase SD (i have 2600 sd,and will raise with nirn; 1800 recovery and 10k/nCP 13k/CP spell penetration with lover stone). I gave up using skoria, instead i put chudan (more resist, because im wearing light armor + 1 heavy and 1 medium)

DeHei · September 2017

Go play this
5 overwhelming, 3 willpower (all with spelldamage), 2 valkyns skoria, 1 lightning-/firestaff, 1 healingstaff (vMSA staffs prefered); everything on max magicka (5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy armor)

vampires bane, blazing spear, elemental blockade, elemental drain, purifying light; drawbreaker
honor the dead, degeneration, rapid regeneration, restoring focus, ritual of retribution; lights champion

Atronarch mundus, whitchmother bufffood

no poisons and only use 3 statpots

You will really like the damage for all targets, burstdamage possibility and survivalbility! You dont have much CC and mobility or a big staminapool, but you dont need. Learn to play careful, just block in right moment (never permablock) and you will see your success!

alexthomp92 · September 2017

I love my magplar I run

Alteration mastery neck and rings with spell damage glyph on all three

Alteration mastery feet and waist impenetrable max mag enchant

julianos chest heavy infused max mag legs medium max mag and gloves light Impen

Shoulder light kena max mag
Head ice heart light max mag

Front bar dw julianos swords one infused spell damage enchant one sharpened with crusher enchant

Back bar deaths wind sword defending return mag enchant and shield impen max health enchant

Front bar skills I run
Toppling charge
Radiant oppression
Repentance/inner light
Puncturing sweep
Entropy
Empowering sweep (reduced cost due to alteration mastery almost always have this running as it costs 68 ult)

Back bar
Channeled focus
Extended ritual
Most form
Honour the dead
Efficient purge of in group or vampires bane if solo
Spell wall

The apprentice mundus stone and I am a vampire
Because I'm in light armour thrown a few cp into light armour focus when buffed fully my physical and spell resist are around 24k and spell damage is around 3k
I'm a Breton so spell resist is high anyway

This probabaly isn't BiS but it works for me

DeHei · September 2017

alexthomp92 wrote: »

I love my magplar I run

Alteration mastery neck and rings with spell damage glyph on all three

Alteration mastery feet and waist impenetrable max mag enchant

julianos chest heavy infused max mag legs medium max mag and gloves light Impen

Shoulder light kena max mag
Head ice heart light max mag

Front bar dw julianos swords one infused spell damage enchant one sharpened with crusher enchant

Back bar deaths wind sword defending return mag enchant and shield impen max health enchant

Front bar skills I run
Toppling charge
Radiant oppression
Repentance/inner light
Puncturing sweep
Entropy
Empowering sweep (reduced cost due to alteration mastery almost always have this running as it costs 68 ult)

Back bar
Channeled focus
Extended ritual
Most form
Honour the dead
Efficient purge of in group or vampires bane if solo
Spell wall

Because I'm in light armour thrown a few cp into light armour focus when buffed fully my physical and spell resist are around 24k and spell damage is around 3k
I'm a Breton so spell resist is high anyway

This probabaly isn't BiS but it works for me

Just one question, do you guys all stay all the time in channeled focus or why you prefer that? Restoring focus just bring survivalbility and you just run cross it all 6 seconds to refresh these buffs.