Something needs to be done about annoying people who abuse the kick function on this game

Jeremy · September 2017

I won't mention names as it's against the rules - but there is a certain party of friends (I believe they are Asian due to the language they used in chat - so if you have encountered them also report them) who harass other players even on normal dungeon Queues by voting to kick other players for no good reason - often at the very start or even in the immediate aftermath of a successful dungeon run just be obnoxious.

People who queue up together like this so they can abuse the kick function and annoy other players are ________ (the rules of this forum prevent me from properly describing them) and something needs to be done about it.

My solution - players who queue up as a party together can only count as a single vote toward kicking someone. That would make it impossible for them to abuse the system. You could also at least remove the penalty for being kicked - as that just makes this kind of practice that much more irritating.

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And just to add: I have nothing against Asians (a deleted post in this thread seemed to imply the possibility for that implication). Using Asian characters in chat on this game is somehwat rare so I thought it a distinguishing factor worth noting - since I cannot simply mention their names (which I would prefer). So again - if you find yourself being kicked over and over by this same group please report them.

SoLooney · September 2017

i see this in random normals a lot, group of 2 or 3 friends and vote to kick the randies esp if they are sub 50 or low champ points. I usually vote to kick randies that dont pull their own weight, are annoying, or dont perform their role as a tank dd or healer.

Might be cause they dont want to carry or just like to troll and have a thrill. either way vote kick system is fine, if it is a group of 3 friends, theres pretty much nothing you can do, just move on. art least you dont get a penalty for getting booted.

Jeremy · September 2017

SoLooney wrote: »

i see this in random normals a lot, group of 2 or 3 friends and vote to kick the randies esp if they are sub 50 or low champ points. I usually vote to kick randies that dont pull their own weight, are annoying, or dont perform their role as a tank dd or healer.

Might be cause they dont want to carry or just like to troll and have a thrill. either way vote kick system is fine, if it is a group of 3 friends, theres pretty much nothing you can do, just move on. art least you dont get a penalty for getting booted.

Well we disagree strongly that it is fine.

And you are penalized in the sense if you are kicked at the very start you will have to wait another 15 minutes to queue again. So a group of trolls can successfully penalize other players.

For example: this same annoying group just got done removing me from a dungeon that I can literally solo. And it isn't the first time they have kicked me. They are doing it just for fun to annoy others - and that should not be allowed (as I pointed out they even kicked me once after we beat the dungeon just to be _____).

Friends should not be able to team up and abuse the system - using the dungeon finder as their own personal tool to annoy others for their amusement. That is simply wrong - on every level - and it's high time the developers took steps to correct it.

zaria · September 2017

Only kicking I have seen is
1) low level players in dlc dungeons, this is typical the fake tank /healer or an DD needed to be carried in an normal dungeon.
2) AFK or disconnected players, chance of getting kicked increase if you are weak.
3) justified fake tank / healers if group has problems or other problem players,

Jeremy · September 2017

zaria wrote: »

Only kicking I have seen is
1) low level players in dlc dungeons, this is typical the fake tank /healer or an DD needed to be carried in an normal dungeon.
2) AFK or disconnected players, chance of getting kicked increase if you are weak.
3) justified fake tank / healers if group has problems or other problem players,

Well count yourself lucky - as I've been kicked repeatedly by this same group of players for no good reason. Once they even did it to me after we had beaten the dungeon just to be annoying.

The system is just too easy to abuse. A vote between random players who are thrown together and not coordinating to troll is fine. But when friends team up and deliberately use the dungeon finder to troll others I draw the line. This isn't the first time Iv'e seen this happen either.

NordSwordnBoard · September 2017

I don't see the problem with the group disbanding immediately after beating the boss on a normal dungeon. I don't stick around unless I see people trading/talking to the quest NPCs.

I see your story as toxic people eliminating themselves from your undaunted rotation. I usually drop from the group if its really bad, and it can sometimes take 15 mins to decide that fairly. I just switch to my other tank/healer/dps and que again if I'm that inclined to get keys or 100k rewards.

There's no way to prevent random acts of stupidity, so I bet these fools will continue regardless of what you do. The system won't change for such a minority issue though. Avoid them.

Blacksmoke · September 2017

Well then dont pug as a non meta build *** especially in vet dungeons if you arent 160 and arent running a meta build you get a vote kick

ThePrinceOfBargains · September 2017

I don't understand why you're even able to kick if you grouped using pug. You should be forced to make it work or leave. Otherwise, form your own group. That's what I do.

heartburnkid · September 2017

I blame one tamriel for this.

This game can take (and should) take a page from dc universes playbook (terrible game but they got this part right).

Make certain dungeons available by level. Easy dungeons level 10-20 so on and so forth. All are available at level 50 for bonus rewards as is now, but while leveling you are restricted until you hit certain level milestones like the game used to be. There is nothing worse than being a higher cp player and getting qued into a dlc dungeon with all level 10s that, for lack of a better word, suck.

I play my healer toons and have them specced to heal to their max potential. I absolutely HATE getting subpar dps in longer dungeons. Especially when they are all less than level 50. Just not a pleasant experience. I'll kick low performers in a heartbeat. I wouldn't and would normally just leave myself if it weren't for the penalty.

EvilCroc · September 2017

People don't want to play with you. Why should they?

rhapsodious · September 2017

Blacksmoke wrote: »

Well then dont pug as a non meta build *** especially in vet dungeons if you arent 160 and arent running a meta build you get a vote kick

If you only want cp160+ people with meta builds, you should not be using the Dungeon Finder. That's on you.

OC_Justice · September 2017

rhapsodious wrote: »

Blacksmoke wrote: »

Well then dont pug as a non meta build *** especially in vet dungeons if you arent 160 and arent running a meta build you get a vote kick

If you only want cp160+ people with meta builds, you should not be using the Dungeon Finder. That's on you.

Gonna disagree here.
Was in ICP with a group and we had great HM modes on our previous two pledges. One guy lost connection just as we started and he couldn't return. We had to use finder, no one would come in and help and we wanted HM done. We got two, cp40 and cp50 and we had to say no, we needed the dps. It would be nice to be able to set parameters for the replacement you want.
We were not abusing the system, but I am sure it made others upset.
Agree getting kicked should nullify penalty for queuing.

rhapsodious · September 2017

OC_Justice wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

Blacksmoke wrote: »

Well then dont pug as a non meta build *** especially in vet dungeons if you arent 160 and arent running a meta build you get a vote kick

If you only want cp160+ people with meta builds, you should not be using the Dungeon Finder. That's on you.

Gonna disagree here.
Was in ICP with a group and we had great HM modes on our previous two pledges. One guy lost connection just as we started and he couldn't return. We had to use finder, no one would come in and help and we wanted HM done. We got two, cp40 and cp50 and we had to say no, we needed the dps. It would be nice to be able to set parameters for the replacement you want.
We were not abusing the system, but I am sure it made others upset.
Agree getting kicked should nullify penalty for queuing.

I'm saying if you only want to run with "good" players, you should be forming a group through a guild instead of blaming the people using the dungeon finder for its intended purpose for not meeting your standards. I agree that ICP would be tough to pug, but... like, there are people who will kick for Fungal 1. The dungeon that can be soloed pretty easily. Those people need to form a group via guild if they just want to blast through the dungeon.

sevomd69 · September 2017

You wanna see abuse of V2K then you should take a gander at Neverwinter...

Jeremy wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

i see this in random normals a lot, group of 2 or 3 friends and vote to kick the randies esp if they are sub 50 or low champ points. I usually vote to kick randies that dont pull their own weight, are annoying, or dont perform their role as a tank dd or healer.

Might be cause they dont want to carry or just like to troll and have a thrill. either way vote kick system is fine, if it is a group of 3 friends, theres pretty much nothing you can do, just move on. art least you dont get a penalty for getting booted.

Well we disagree strongly that it is fine.

And you are penalized in the sense if you are kicked at the very start you will have to wait another 15 minutes to queue again. So a group of trolls can successfully penalize other players.

For example: this same annoying group just got done removing me from a dungeon that I can literally solo. And it isn't the first time they have kicked me. They are doing it just for fun to annoy others - and that should not be allowed (as I pointed out they even kicked me once after we beat the dungeon just to be _____).

Friends should not be able to team up and abuse the system - using the dungeon finder as their own personal tool to annoy others for their amusement. That is simply wrong - on every level - and it's high time the developers took steps to correct it.

Then just solo... and save yourself some grief...

SydneyGrey · September 2017

rhapsodious wrote: »

Blacksmoke wrote: »

Well then dont pug as a non meta build *** especially in vet dungeons if you arent 160 and arent running a meta build you get a vote kick

If you only want cp160+ people with meta builds, you should not be using the Dungeon Finder. That's on you.

This. If you use Dungeon Finder, probably HALF of the people you'll get won't have meta builds. If that makes you rage, then don't PUG. There are plenty of guilds you can join that have high standards for their dungeon group members. Join one of those.

Karmanorway · September 2017

Happened to me recently, was trying to lvl up a lvl20 alt in a NORMAL dungeon, then this cp 300 dps and the rest of us died at the first boss in nBF , later he complained about me, that he refused to die in a normal dungeon because of a lvl 20 noob lol, i asked him then why the F are u doing normal dungeons if u are veteran and not doing vet dungeons where u belong?? Well because it was too hard for him ... so who was really the noob here? No answer then i got kicked lol ,

This is a big issue indeed, new players dont get to learn how to play because misplaced veterans kick them before they even get to try.

kichwas · September 2017

I've seen maybe 3 cases of seeing the votekick pop up on dungeon entry - and then people voting out anyone not >= cp160.

I am a new player, one month in... this is all in normal dungeons. I always vote no on these.

I only vote out jerks and AFK people. I am willing to stick it out with someone who "sucks" - that's been my policy since my first MMO in 2005. It has paid off many times as people with bad skills and good attitudes are trainable and/or enjoyable. Better to have fun failing than be annoyed while winning.

I have also joined some dungeons only to find myself in there and seeing the "not in a group" timer.

I have also had a few cases of seeing someone demand we vote them out. 2 at the door, but a few after a wipe. I ignore them as much of most normals can be done with 3 people. Bit if I do eventually vote them out, I file a harassment report first. If you want out, just leave. Suffer the burden you cause.
- often once we lose these pros that say us lowbies will fail... we go on to do the dungeon with ease... only once did we have to abandon later.

OC_Justice · September 2017

Karmanorway wrote: »

Happened to me recently, was trying to lvl up a lvl20 alt in a NORMAL dungeon, then this cp 300 dps and the rest of us died at the first boss in nBF , later he complained about me, that he refused to die in a normal dungeon because of a lvl 20 noob lol, i asked him then why the F are u doing normal dungeons if u are veteran and not doing vet dungeons where u belong?? Well because it was too hard for him ... so who was really the noob here? No answer then i got kicked lol,

This is a big issue indeed, new players dont get to learn how to play because misplaced veterans kick them before they even get to try.

nBF is tough but I have run it with 3 below level 20 and have completed it.
No excuses for a cp300 dps.

Ran a normal random last night for xp. I am cp420 tank. I joined a level 14, 16 and level 20 who were at the 1st boss, the chain down chick. I wanted to see why the tank bailed or got kicked so i didn't say anything and tried to run it with them. epic fail. They didn't all attack one of the chain girls. Before i could explain the fight to them one was already bailing. I told him let me explain the fight that it was easy, but no he bailed, i knew we could do it if they 1st learned the fight.
What did I learn? I will never go into a normal dungeon and NOT ask 1st if everyone knew the fight. I will explain and make sure the group can succeed. Normal are for learning the mechanics and if CPs can not or are not willing to explain the fight, then stay out of normal and don't rip on noobs. If you have never been in, that is fine, but say something.

I personally enjoy helping others succeed and progress. I have had to solo bosses because the group died and i was unwilling to not complete the dungeon with them.

Karmanorway · September 2017

OC_Justice wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Happened to me recently, was trying to lvl up a lvl20 alt in a NORMAL dungeon, then this cp 300 dps and the rest of us died at the first boss in nBF , later he complained about me, that he refused to die in a normal dungeon because of a lvl 20 noob lol, i asked him then why the F are u doing normal dungeons if u are veteran and not doing vet dungeons where u belong?? Well because it was too hard for him ... so who was really the noob here? No answer then i got kicked lol,

This is a big issue indeed, new players dont get to learn how to play because misplaced veterans kick them before they even get to try.

nBF is tough but I have run it with 3 below level 20 and have completed it.
No excuses for a cp300 dps.

Ran a normal random last night for xp. I am cp420 tank. I joined a level 14, 16 and level 20 who were at the 1st boss, the chain down chick. I wanted to see why the tank bailed or got kicked so i didn't say anything and tried to run it with them. epic fail. They didn't all attack one of the chain girls. Before i could explain the fight to them one was already bailing. I told him let me explain the fight that it was easy, but no he bailed, i knew we could do it if they 1st learned the fight.
What did I learn? I will never go into a normal dungeon and NOT ask 1st if everyone knew the fight. I will explain and make sure the group can succeed. Normal are for learning the mechanics and if CPs can not or are not willing to explain the fight, then stay out of normal and don't rip on noobs. If you have never been in, that is fine, but say something.

I personally enjoy helping others succeed and progress. I have had to solo bosses because the group died and i was unwilling to not complete the dungeon with them.

I completely agree, helping and being friendly also gives the new players a good impression, and will hopefully make them want to stay.

Dungeons and the ppl in it are toxic af nowadays. Especially in nWGT, many ppl get kicked before even starting...

Danksta · September 2017

Blacksmoke wrote: »

Well then dont pug as a non meta build *** especially in vet dungeons if you arent 160 and arent running a meta build you get a vote kick

Why would you need to use a meta build for a PUG dungeon run?

Magdalina · September 2017

TheMaster wrote: »

I don't understand why you're even able to kick if you grouped using pug. You should be forced to make it work or leave. Otherwise, form your own group. That's what I do.

Because a group should not be doomed to fail because of one idiot. I'm not saying the function doesn't get used unjustly but it is a good function to have. Personally, I use it very rarely, aside from kicking offline people(after giving them a few minutes to come back in case of crash). Last time I remember initiating a vote to kick it was on last vWGT boss when a cp 68 or so dps, who spent 90% of the fight dead, dying again right after being ressed, kept activating hm. He did it once, we wiped with barely bulging Kena's health at all. We all agreed on doing non hm but he kept reading the scroll for like 5+ wipes(between him and the other dps being very inexperienced, though more sensible, we were getting rekt haaaard), going straight for it after ressing. We asked him why he'd do that but he never answered. This is textbook example of when you need an option to kick someone - when 3 people all agree on something beneficial for groups's success but #4 refuses to do so. We kicked him, got another dps and cleared it first try(hm even because he activated it before we kicked him...lol).

To OP, sucks you ran into some jerks, but don't think there's anything ZOS can do about it. Also I thought being kicked doesn't give you a groupfinder cooldown? At least that's how it used to work, did that get changed? If not then you're only losing like a couple of minutes if they kick you before the run actually starts.

Also kicking in normal dungeons because people have no cp sound absurd to me. I mean like...you know...we have that whole mode for people with cp? If you want cp people, go run those, normal dungeons, while they are good for farming, are originally intended for non cp people. How is this a sudden unpleasant shock for anyone to run into no cp players in NORMAL dungeons? This is like trying to kick kids' out of a kids' swimming pool because you wanna swim there yourself. I mean you can probably swim there, but to imply those who the feature was originally aimed at can't? Lol.

Tommy_The_Gun · September 2017

When it comes to doing dungeons with random people - I always vote "NO" for kick...

btw. When I am in group that has a person like this: extremely toxic, votes kick because of low CP etc. I immediately leave the group and wait 10 mins for next group.... I just know from experience - it never ends well... And it will only waste my time - because sooner or later that person will vote-kick me for now reason...