Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it...
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There is lack of logic here. If developers allowed it then it cannot be considered cheating because it's developer who decides what is cheating and what isnt.
Also if we talk about functionality. Miat add-on gives You graphic information that some negative thing will hit You so at the end You dont have to look around so much to see it. Isnt that almost the same as buff tracker which graphicly informs You that some negative effects was applied on You or that you applied that on enemie (also with timer and debuffs name) , so You dont have to look around that much to see buffs/debuffs animation on You on Your enemies ?
If Miat is considered cheating then buff tracking is considered cheating also despite the fact developers allowing it.
CreamedPieYum wrote: »
The Devs have never been gankedI think they don't think it's a threat on PC, considering everyone uses that and similar addons.
I hate to say it, but you'd be gimping yourself if you don't use it on PC. Fight cheating with cheating lol
Bombashaman wrote: »As ZOS haven't done anything about changing the API (or did they a little bit a while ago) so Miat's would have been useless, one has to presume they don't consider using it as cheating.
Bombashaman wrote: »As ZOS haven't done anything about changing the API (or did they a little bit a while ago) so Miat's would have been useless, one has to presume they don't consider using it as cheating.
Wrong.
They did not remove the used API, since it would prevent innoumerous other Addons from functioning. Damage or bufftime addons wouldn't work anymore. Since majority of people use those tools in PvE, they didn't change it.
Bombashaman wrote: »As ZOS haven't done anything about changing the API (or did they a little bit a while ago) so Miat's would have been useless, one has to presume they don't consider using it as cheating.
Bombashaman wrote: »Bombashaman wrote: »As ZOS haven't done anything about changing the API (or did they a little bit a while ago) so Miat's would have been useless, one has to presume they don't consider using it as cheating.
Wrong.
They did not remove the used API, since it would prevent innoumerous other Addons from functioning. Damage or bufftime addons wouldn't work anymore. Since majority of people use those tools in PvE, they didn't change it.
Didn't they state in the rules you have to accept to play that cheating is an offense which would lead to some kind of punishment? If they consider Miat's a cheat, they should be disciplining players left and right. They don't. So they don't consider it as cheating.
Drummerx04 wrote: »Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it...
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There is lack of logic here. If developers allowed it then it cannot be considered cheating because it's developer who decides what is cheating and what isnt.
Also if we talk about functionality. Miat add-on gives You graphic information that some negative thing will hit You so at the end You dont have to look around so much to see it. Isnt that almost the same as buff tracker which graphicly informs You that some negative effects was applied on You or that you applied that on enemie (also with timer and debuffs name) , so You dont have to look around that much to see buffs/debuffs animation on You on Your enemies ?
If Miat is considered cheating then buff tracking is considered cheating also despite the fact developers allowing it.
Hi, I highlighted the primary difference between a buff/debuff tracker and an addon like Miats. You actually pointed it out yourself.
A buff tracker provides information about the effects which are actively affecting your character. Many of these have obvious gameplay effects or visuals (snares are pretty obvious for instance) but the buff tracker provides an accurate measure of their duration.
An addon like Miat's provides information on negative effects in advance of the effect itself. This leads to cases, where you can launch a frag (for instance) at an enemy that just rounded a corner. You have him tab targeted so you see him block just before the frag hits and then goes about his merry way.
It also leads to fun stuff like people dodgerolling off horses as you hard cast a frag. And to make it more amusing, you don't even have to actually launch it. They'll react before any attack ever gets released.
Ever get marked by a random nightblade? Miat's tells you who the nightblade is, and it notifies you of a lot more information that you would not possibly be able to know or even guess otherwise.
GreenhaloX wrote: »Gotta love PC games and the many cheats.. oops, sorry, I meant add-ons. What's else is lurking out there.. something that will have your toon automatically roll out, dodge or block before getting hit? Why not.. it would be as practical as a self-driving car. It will be a self-fighting toon. Ha ha
This Poll is inaccurate.
Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.
Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.
Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.
I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.
You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.
If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.
So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."
This Poll is inaccurate.
Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.
Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.
Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.
I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.
You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.
If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.
So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."
Dumbest shi+ I've read today...
There is no criminality in this instance. However, yes, you should thank "potential" criminals for choosing not to be criminals. I mean, that deserves a fist bump at least I would think...
Still not relevant to the topic, as there is no parallel in how the addon functions and your reference... But aren't we all "potential" criminals choosing not to be criminals? (Too existential?)
Um... No one's stealing anything. Where do you get these references?
Miat released an addon that used the existing Zos api (as every addon does/did) keep in mind, there were likely other addons doing the same thing, but not released to the public. By releasing his addon publicly, Miat forced Zos to make changes that benefited all of the PvP community, rather than just those exploiting the api for themselves (at your expense)
Now, Miat's addon does -literally- none of the things that recent post are suggesting, or anything that would be considered cheating as it uses Zos's api.
It does not inform of potential attacks from stealth. It does not inform of stealthed players in the area. Nor do any other private, or otherwise, addons as the api has been changed to ensure that type of information is no longer useable in that fashion.
Still with me?
There are many addons that provide combat cue's. Including the stock UI. As this is all that Miat's addon does (essentially) I fail to see what the fuss is all about...
What seems to happen in posts like this, is that someone will post incorrect information, often based on utter nonsense, or some other post that person may have read, (also often based on utter nonsense.) Then the second person (such as yourself) will continue to "parrot" that information down the line without actually looking into the accuracy of the information that they relay. This is when it becomes rhetoric, rather than factual information.
And then we have threads such as this...
This Poll is inaccurate.
Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.
GreenhaloX wrote: »Gotta love PC games and the many cheats.. oops, sorry, I meant add-ons. What's else is lurking out there.. something that will have your toon automatically roll out, dodge or block before getting hit? Why not.. it would be as practical as a self-driving car. It will be a self-fighting toon. Ha ha
Pretty much already have this with the allowance of macros. People macro the perfect attack sequence to one button and literally just have to hit one button. And since there seem to be no game masters anymore patroling cyro, this goes 100 % unchecked as well. Honestly, if I didnt JUST get a new graphics card I would be on xb1 so fast its ridiculous.
This Poll is inaccurate.
Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.
Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.
Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.
I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.
You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.
If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.
So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."
What seems to happen in posts like this, is that someone will post incorrect information, often based on utter nonsense, or some other post that person may have read, (also often based on utter nonsense.) Then the second person (such as yourself) will continue to "parrot" that information down the line without actually looking into the accuracy of the information that they relay. This is when it becomes rhetoric, rather than factual information.
And then we have threads such as this...
This Poll is inaccurate.
Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.
Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.
Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.
I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.
You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.
If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.
So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."
Dumbest shi+ I've read today...
There is no criminality in this instance. However, yes, you should thank "potential" criminals for choosing not to be criminals. I mean, that deserves a fist bump at least I would think...
Still not relevant to the topic, as there is no parallel in how the addon functions and your reference... But aren't we all "potential" criminals choosing not to be criminals? (Too existential?)
Um... No one's stealing anything. Where do you get these references?
Miat released an addon that used the existing Zos api (as every addon does/did) keep in mind, there were likely other addons doing the same thing, but not released to the public. By releasing his addon publicly, Miat forced Zos to make changes that benefited all of the PvP community, rather than just those exploiting the api for themselves (at your expense)
Now, Miat's addon does -literally- none of the things that recent post are suggesting, or anything that would be considered cheating as it uses Zos's api.
It does not inform of potential attacks from stealth. It does not inform of stealthed players in the area. Nor do any other private, or otherwise, addons as the api has been changed to ensure that type of information is no longer useable in that fashion.
Still with me?
There are many addons that provide combat cue's. Including the stock UI. As this is all that Miat's addon does (essentially) I fail to see what the fuss is all about...
What seems to happen in posts like this, is that someone will post incorrect information, often based on utter nonsense, or some other post that person may have read, (also often based on utter nonsense.) Then the second person (such as yourself) will continue to "parrot" that information down the line without actually looking into the accuracy of the information that they relay. This is when it becomes rhetoric, rather than factual information.
And then we have threads such as this...
So does it or does it not let you know when to dodge exactly and does it or does it not let you know when someone is doing a charge up attack from stealth. If the answer to either of those is yes, then it shouldn't be allowed, because ZoS stated during beta times that they didnt want add ons like this in the game.
This Poll is inaccurate.
Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.
Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.
Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.
I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.
You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.
If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.
So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."
What seems to happen in posts like this, is that someone will post incorrect information, often based on utter nonsense, or some other post that person may have read, (also often based on utter nonsense.) Then the second person (such as yourself) will continue to "parrot" that information down the line without actually looking into the accuracy of the information that they relay. This is when it becomes rhetoric, rather than factual information.
And then we have threads such as this...
I heard that Miat's can come to your house and steal your sandwich.