Should Miat's (attack alert) be allowed?

Enslaved · September 2017

No

No. Entire addon should be removed and put to banned list.

Drummerx04 · September 2017

No

Juhasow wrote: »

jcaceresw wrote: »

Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it...
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There is lack of logic here. If developers allowed it then it cannot be considered cheating because it's developer who decides what is cheating and what isnt.

Also if we talk about functionality. Miat add-on gives You graphic information that some negative thing will hit You so at the end You dont have to look around so much to see it. Isnt that almost the same as buff tracker which graphicly informs You that some negative effects was applied on You or that you applied that on enemie (also with timer and debuffs name) , so You dont have to look around that much to see buffs/debuffs animation on You on Your enemies ?
If Miat is considered cheating then buff tracking is considered cheating also despite the fact developers allowing it.

Hi, I highlighted the primary difference between a buff/debuff tracker and an addon like Miats. You actually pointed it out yourself.

A buff tracker provides information about the effects which are actively affecting your character. Many of these have obvious gameplay effects or visuals (snares are pretty obvious for instance) but the buff tracker provides an accurate measure of their duration.

An addon like Miat's provides information on negative effects in advance of the effect itself. This leads to cases, where you can launch a frag (for instance) at an enemy that just rounded a corner. You have him tab targeted so you see him block just before the frag hits and then goes about his merry way.

It also leads to fun stuff like people dodgerolling off horses as you hard cast a frag. And to make it more amusing, you don't even have to actually launch it. They'll react before any attack ever gets released.

Ever get marked by a random nightblade? Miat's tells you who the nightblade is, and it notifies you of a lot more information that you would not possibly be able to know or even guess otherwise.

Wreuntzylla · September 2017

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

jcaceresw wrote: »

Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it.

How can it be classed as cheating when the Dev's have intentionally allowed it?

The Devs have never been ganked I think they don't think it's a threat on PC, considering everyone uses that and similar addons.

I hate to say it, but you'd be gimping yourself if you don't use it on PC. Fight cheating with cheating lol

It only really work very well against abilities with a cast time like snipe, and even without the addon, you have always been able to tweak your sound settings so that you could clearly hear the whistling of the arrow and/or the drums.

In any case, I run a sniper build and I have as much fun annoying the *** out of the Miat users by cast cancelling than I do sniping them. Actually tends to frustrate them into making a mistake.

TheCaptainJosh · September 2017

Yes

Another Miat thread

Banana · September 2017

Other (explain)

Pvp really is a terrible place

Bombashaman · September 2017

Yes

As ZOS haven't done anything about changing the API (or did they a little bit a while ago) so Miat's would have been useless, one has to presume they don't consider using it as cheating.

Jade1986 · September 2017

No

I'll just leave this here, a quote from beta testing times.

""As we get closer to launch, our beta events have continued to grow in player-size, and that growth has resulted in even more and more of you taking the time to experiment with our UI modding tools. It’s exciting to see the amazing add-ons you have come up with and for us, as developers, it’s also a very important part of the beta process. Seeing what the community wants to add or change is helpful as we continue to tweak and balance the game – what are people looking for? what works? what doesn’t? Finding the right answers to these questions often means leaving the API very open during this beta phase. It helps us see where limits may or may not be and helps us determine what makes the best possible ESO experience for everyone.
We welcome creativity and have built ESO on player-choice, but as a game played with thousands of others, we also must be mindful of any mods that give clear mechanical advantages in competitive situations. Maintaining a level playing field will always be our first priority. Our intent with add-ons is to encourage you to modify your UI in a way that is more fitting for your personal play-style, but not ones that could allow you to make choices for others. We do not want those who aren’t interested in using an add-on to feel compelled to do so because they cannot remain competitive without them. As we continue beta testing, we’ll continue to evaluate add-ons and the implications they have on other players, but you can expect changes to the API before launch and will share that information as it becomes available. Thank you to all of you that have created add-ons during this time – we appreciate your help in making ESO the best it can be."

I guess that was hot air though, and we shouldnt be holding ZoS to their word. : shrug :

theher0not · September 2017

No

Any third party software that gives people an unfair advantage over people not using it is cheating to me.

Grabmoore · September 2017

No

Bombashaman wrote: »

As ZOS haven't done anything about changing the API (or did they a little bit a while ago) so Miat's would have been useless, one has to presume they don't consider using it as cheating.

Wrong.

They did not remove the used API, since it would prevent innoumerous other Addons from functioning. Damage or bufftime addons wouldn't work anymore. Since majority of people use those tools in PvE, they didn't change it.

TelvanniWizard · September 2017

No

Those damm hacker noobs...

Sylosi · September 2017

Yes

It does a fine a job of highlighting what a joke PvP & Zenimax are, I mean what sort of game lets you use an addon to do something that is impossible in the game, in PvP, so basically bypassing the game mechanics.

It would simply be banned in any competently run game because certain aspects are simply a cheat.

Bombashaman · September 2017

Yes

Grabmoore wrote: »

Bombashaman wrote: »

As ZOS haven't done anything about changing the API (or did they a little bit a while ago) so Miat's would have been useless, one has to presume they don't consider using it as cheating.

Wrong.

They did not remove the used API, since it would prevent innoumerous other Addons from functioning. Damage or bufftime addons wouldn't work anymore. Since majority of people use those tools in PvE, they didn't change it.

Didn't they state in the rules you have to accept to play that cheating is an offense which would lead to some kind of punishment? If they consider Miat's a cheat, they should be disciplining players left and right. They don't. So they don't consider it as cheating.

Demycilian · September 2017

No

You know, ZOS, you could always hire all these bored hackers and have them fix your game. Rather then allowing them to undermine your legit playerbases game experience in this fashion.

misfitmanic · September 2017

Yes

The original post is very misleading and paints a false picture of what the add-on truly does. Half the complaints in this thread are based on misinformation lol. Go try it yourself for a week in Cyro before getting so upset.
This add-on is no more "cheating" than MM or Lazy Writ Crafter or CombatCloud or RaidNotifier. Learn what an API is and how it works before you cry foul play. And rather than call for the app to be banned, why not suggest ways ZOS can improve the API or make additional changes to combat mechanics?

Saturn · September 2017

No

Bombashaman wrote: »

As ZOS haven't done anything about changing the API (or did they a little bit a while ago) so Miat's would have been useless, one has to presume they don't consider using it as cheating.

By that line of thought are we also to assume that Cyrodiil was meant to be a laggy piece of s**t? I mean, after all it has been this way for 70-80% of the game's lifespan...

ESO is a big game, and even if something is exploitable it doesn't mean that it was purposefully made that way. The fact that they already changed the API once specifically to counter this kind of addon should tell you that they don't want it. That they aren't actively combating it, means that they are either not aware or too busy with other things, because I'm fairly sure ZOS never intended for addons to replace what is an intrinsic part of their combat system, i.e. awareness.

Grabmoore · September 2017

No

Bombashaman wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

Bombashaman wrote: »

As ZOS haven't done anything about changing the API (or did they a little bit a while ago) so Miat's would have been useless, one has to presume they don't consider using it as cheating.

Wrong.

They did not remove the used API, since it would prevent innoumerous other Addons from functioning. Damage or bufftime addons wouldn't work anymore. Since majority of people use those tools in PvE, they didn't change it.

Didn't they state in the rules you have to accept to play that cheating is an offense which would lead to some kind of punishment? If they consider Miat's a cheat, they should be disciplining players left and right. They don't. So they don't consider it as cheating.

You said miat is no Cheating cause ZOS didn't limit the API accordingly. I responded stating that they didn't change it for a different reason. So it would be unfair to ban all miats users for an issue that they are unable to fix. Also, ZOS and banning exploiters???

Funny you!

Juhasow · September 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

jcaceresw wrote: »

Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it...
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There is lack of logic here. If developers allowed it then it cannot be considered cheating because it's developer who decides what is cheating and what isnt.

Also if we talk about functionality. Miat add-on gives You graphic information that some negative thing will hit You so at the end You dont have to look around so much to see it. Isnt that almost the same as buff tracker which graphicly informs You that some negative effects was applied on You or that you applied that on enemie (also with timer and debuffs name) , so You dont have to look around that much to see buffs/debuffs animation on You on Your enemies ?
If Miat is considered cheating then buff tracking is considered cheating also despite the fact developers allowing it.

Hi, I highlighted the primary difference between a buff/debuff tracker and an addon like Miats. You actually pointed it out yourself.

A buff tracker provides information about the effects which are actively affecting your character. Many of these have obvious gameplay effects or visuals (snares are pretty obvious for instance) but the buff tracker provides an accurate measure of their duration.

An addon like Miat's provides information on negative effects in advance of the effect itself. This leads to cases, where you can launch a frag (for instance) at an enemy that just rounded a corner. You have him tab targeted so you see him block just before the frag hits and then goes about his merry way.

It also leads to fun stuff like people dodgerolling off horses as you hard cast a frag. And to make it more amusing, you don't even have to actually launch it. They'll react before any attack ever gets released.

Ever get marked by a random nightblade? Miat's tells you who the nightblade is, and it notifies you of a lot more information that you would not possibly be able to know or even guess otherwise.

Well considering fact Miat is no longer working from stealth all attacks he's waring You about can be seen or heared which You cannot tell about each debuff/buff that buff trackers informs You about. Cast time abilities have cast time also to give enemie chance to react on them and avoid that hard hitting skill so You cannot whine that people actually react on them. You cannot call a cheater everyone that dodged crystal in Cyro even when he was on horse.

So both add-ons have adventages. There are buff trackers saying "purge now" when You have Major Defile on You which is also huge adventage because normally You would have to guess do You have or not that debuff . This is why I dont see reason why Miat should be called cheating but other add-ons shouldnt , and once more I say I am not using Miat.

Every add-on idea is to inform You about things You would have to guess or wouldnt be able to know normally. Otherwise what would be the reason to use add-ons if informations provided by them would be obvious and well known. This game have much larger issues then fact some people was informed that snipe or frag was casted on them.

I would also encourage OP to change posts where he says Miat provides information about attacks from stealth and informs You of enemie that are in stealth nearby You since from what can be read it's no longer afeature in this add-on and I think most of the people who camed here and voted "No" did that because they think it works on stealth players.

SodanTok · September 2017

No

Like it matters if it should or should not. ZoS deliberately ignores this issue. It took them few weeks to respond its fine and then remove the stealth information from API because people were against it.

That was 8 months ago. Each month since there is thread with majority of players agreeing the API about incoming attacks should be gone too. No response.
I would rather ZoS 'embraced' the existence of this addon by finally confirming they will do nothing about it and at least made some attempts to balance the game around it existence. If this game was supposed to be 'balanced' without this addon in mind, how it is balanced now that some abilities are totally unaffected by it (pretty much all instant melee skills) while stuff like dizzy is harder to land and stuff Snipe (and to some degree frags) or fire destro/bow heavy attacks are just completely trashed

And when I say completely I mean it. The only people that get hit by bow heavy or snipe are those that do not have this addon, cannot avoid it (CC) or choose not to. There is nobody that fails to counter these attacks when they have 3-4sec warning before

GreenhaloX · September 2017

No

Gotta love PC games and the many cheats.. oops, sorry, I meant add-ons. What's else is lurking out there.. something that will have your toon automatically roll out, dodge or block before getting hit? Why not.. it would be as practical as a self-driving car. It will be a self-fighting toon. Ha ha

Jade1986 · September 2017

No

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Gotta love PC games and the many cheats.. oops, sorry, I meant add-ons. What's else is lurking out there.. something that will have your toon automatically roll out, dodge or block before getting hit? Why not.. it would be as practical as a self-driving car. It will be a self-fighting toon. Ha ha

Pretty much already have this with the allowance of macros. People macro the perfect attack sequence to one button and literally just have to hit one button. And since there seem to be no game masters anymore patroling cyro, this goes 100 % unchecked as well. Honestly, if I didnt JUST get a new graphics card I would be on xb1 so fast its ridiculous.

jbjondeaueb17_ESO · September 2017

No

And I think any kind of "alert" (dodge, block,...) should be disabled in PvP, not only Miat.

Hempyre · September 2017

Other (explain)

Nemeliom wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

This Poll is inaccurate.

Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.

Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.

I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.

You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.

If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.

So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."

Dumbest shi+ I've read today...

There is no criminality in this instance. However, yes, you should thank "potential" criminals for choosing not to be criminals. I mean, that deserves a fist bump at least I would think...
Still not relevant to the topic, as there is no parallel in how the addon functions and your reference... But aren't we all "potential" criminals choosing not to be criminals? (Too existential?)

Um... No one's stealing anything. Where do you get these references?

Miat released an addon that used the existing Zos api (as every addon does/did) keep in mind, there were likely other addons doing the same thing, but not released to the public. By releasing his addon publicly, Miat forced Zos to make changes that benefited all of the PvP community, rather than just those exploiting the api for themselves (at your expense)

Now, Miat's addon does -literally- none of the things that recent post are suggesting, or anything that would be considered cheating as it uses Zos's api.

It does not inform of potential attacks from stealth. It does not inform of stealthed players in the area. Nor do any other private, or otherwise, addons as the api has been changed to ensure that type of information is no longer useable in that fashion.

Still with me?

There are many addons that provide combat cue's. Including the stock UI. As this is all that Miat's addon does (essentially) I fail to see what the fuss is all about...

What seems to happen in posts like this, is that someone will post incorrect information, often based on utter nonsense, or some other post that person may have read, (also often based on utter nonsense.) Then the second person (such as yourself) will continue to "parrot" that information down the line without actually looking into the accuracy of the information that they relay. This is when it becomes rhetoric, rather than factual information.

And then we have threads such as this...

Jade1986 · September 2017

No

Hempyre wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

This Poll is inaccurate.

Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.

Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.

I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.

You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.

If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.

So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."

Dumbest shi+ I've read today...

There is no criminality in this instance. However, yes, you should thank "potential" criminals for choosing not to be criminals. I mean, that deserves a fist bump at least I would think...
Still not relevant to the topic, as there is no parallel in how the addon functions and your reference... But aren't we all "potential" criminals choosing not to be criminals? (Too existential?)

Um... No one's stealing anything. Where do you get these references?

Miat released an addon that used the existing Zos api (as every addon does/did) keep in mind, there were likely other addons doing the same thing, but not released to the public. By releasing his addon publicly, Miat forced Zos to make changes that benefited all of the PvP community, rather than just those exploiting the api for themselves (at your expense)

Now, Miat's addon does -literally- none of the things that recent post are suggesting, or anything that would be considered cheating as it uses Zos's api.

It does not inform of potential attacks from stealth. It does not inform of stealthed players in the area. Nor do any other private, or otherwise, addons as the api has been changed to ensure that type of information is no longer useable in that fashion.

Still with me?

There are many addons that provide combat cue's. Including the stock UI. As this is all that Miat's addon does (essentially) I fail to see what the fuss is all about...

What seems to happen in posts like this, is that someone will post incorrect information, often based on utter nonsense, or some other post that person may have read, (also often based on utter nonsense.) Then the second person (such as yourself) will continue to "parrot" that information down the line without actually looking into the accuracy of the information that they relay. This is when it becomes rhetoric, rather than factual information.

And then we have threads such as this...

So does it or does it not let you know when to dodge exactly and does it or does it not let you know when someone is doing a charge up attack from stealth. If the answer to either of those is yes, then it shouldn't be allowed, because ZoS stated during beta times that they didnt want add ons like this in the game.

Nemeliom · September 2017

No

Hempyre wrote: »

This Poll is inaccurate.

Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

Either you don't use the addon or you are clueless.
It DOES provide information on attacks from stealth. Go ahead, try it yourself doing snipe while stealthed. Or just go around running with your horse until you get the warning of a snipe charging from stealth. Won't take you longer than 10 minutes to prove it.

GreenhaloX · September 2017

No

laced wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Gotta love PC games and the many cheats.. oops, sorry, I meant add-ons. What's else is lurking out there.. something that will have your toon automatically roll out, dodge or block before getting hit? Why not.. it would be as practical as a self-driving car. It will be a self-fighting toon. Ha ha

Pretty much already have this with the allowance of macros. People macro the perfect attack sequence to one button and literally just have to hit one button. And since there seem to be no game masters anymore patroling cyro, this goes 100 % unchecked as well. Honestly, if I didnt JUST get a new graphics card I would be on xb1 so fast its ridiculous.

Don't blame any gamemaster for not patrolling or wanting to patrol Cyrodiil? It's the outlaw and Indian terroritory (intentional misspelling here..) You'll just go mad/insane. Oh yeah.. the macros. Ha ha. Oh man.

Patouf · September 2017

No

NO !

It is a cheat. End of story.

Rainraven · September 2017

Hempyre wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

This Poll is inaccurate.

Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.

Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.

I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.

You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.

If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.

So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."

What seems to happen in posts like this, is that someone will post incorrect information, often based on utter nonsense, or some other post that person may have read, (also often based on utter nonsense.) Then the second person (such as yourself) will continue to "parrot" that information down the line without actually looking into the accuracy of the information that they relay. This is when it becomes rhetoric, rather than factual information.

And then we have threads such as this...

I heard that Miat's can come to your house and steal your sandwich.

Meld777 · September 2017

No

Miat's is a great PvP add-on and the only add-on so far that reliably shows you the positions of group members around you that don't have lead, so you don't have to look at the map every time you're looking for your dead buddy to rez.

It does suck when you're a Nightblade. But that's the only class that is at a huge disadvantage when people use the add-on. The equivalent for other classes would be a mind hack. Say, you're fighting a Sorc 1v1, your add-on reads his mind and tells you, "Someone is gonna use Eye of the Storm in 5 seconds!"

Nightblades rely a lot on unexpected attacks from stealth. If there was no stealth function in game, say, Nightblades would be super fast instead of being able to stealth (e.g. "Shadowy Sprint" instead of "Shadowy Disguise": sprint is 300% faster when ability is active + major evasion), the add-on would be somewhat fair to use because there would be no class heavily relying on stealth attacks.

Miat's has tons of great features, but the API should be restricted regarding being-attacked alerts.

Hempyre · September 2017

Other (explain)

laced wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

This Poll is inaccurate.

Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.

Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.

I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.

You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.

If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.

So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."

Dumbest shi+ I've read today...

There is no criminality in this instance. However, yes, you should thank "potential" criminals for choosing not to be criminals. I mean, that deserves a fist bump at least I would think...
Still not relevant to the topic, as there is no parallel in how the addon functions and your reference... But aren't we all "potential" criminals choosing not to be criminals? (Too existential?)

Um... No one's stealing anything. Where do you get these references?

Miat released an addon that used the existing Zos api (as every addon does/did) keep in mind, there were likely other addons doing the same thing, but not released to the public. By releasing his addon publicly, Miat forced Zos to make changes that benefited all of the PvP community, rather than just those exploiting the api for themselves (at your expense)

Now, Miat's addon does -literally- none of the things that recent post are suggesting, or anything that would be considered cheating as it uses Zos's api.

It does not inform of potential attacks from stealth. It does not inform of stealthed players in the area. Nor do any other private, or otherwise, addons as the api has been changed to ensure that type of information is no longer useable in that fashion.

Still with me?

There are many addons that provide combat cue's. Including the stock UI. As this is all that Miat's addon does (essentially) I fail to see what the fuss is all about...

What seems to happen in posts like this, is that someone will post incorrect information, often based on utter nonsense, or some other post that person may have read, (also often based on utter nonsense.) Then the second person (such as yourself) will continue to "parrot" that information down the line without actually looking into the accuracy of the information that they relay. This is when it becomes rhetoric, rather than factual information.

And then we have threads such as this...

So does it or does it not let you know when to dodge exactly and does it or does it not let you know when someone is doing a charge up attack from stealth. If the answer to either of those is yes, then it shouldn't be allowed, because ZoS stated during beta times that they didnt want add ons like this in the game.

The addon informs you of an incoming attack. (Among other benign and convenient tid bits, such as when you are nearing the max distance from a camp, etc..) It does not suggest a course of action. There are several addons that provide the same information, and some do suggest a course of action. This includes the stock UI. "Combat Cue's" (hint, hint) no one's complaining about the others...

It does not relay information on attacks from stealth...

This information is easily accessible for anyone that actually wants to know. Just try it, or search the addon. Just stop posting uneducated nonsense...

You, of course can choose to agree with how this (and many other) addons function, or not. But at the end of the day, Zos has looked at the functionality and they are ok with it.

GreenhaloX · September 2017

No

Rainraven wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Nemeliom wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

This Poll is inaccurate.

Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.

Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.

I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.

You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.

If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.

So with this logic we should be thanking every possible criminal for not being a criminal? Of course this was very valuable for zos, but in other words it would sound like:
"everyone steals 100 gold per day. Miat found out about it and reduced it to 20 gold per day, so now it's OK, because before it used to be worst and few people knew."

What seems to happen in posts like this, is that someone will post incorrect information, often based on utter nonsense, or some other post that person may have read, (also often based on utter nonsense.) Then the second person (such as yourself) will continue to "parrot" that information down the line without actually looking into the accuracy of the information that they relay. This is when it becomes rhetoric, rather than factual information.

And then we have threads such as this...

I heard that Miat's can come to your house and steal your sandwich.

You can get an add-on that will alert you to someone's about to come to your house and steal your sandwiches.