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Should Miat's (attack alert) be allowed?

Nemeliom
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Well, it's been here for a long time and many people have complained about it.

For those who don't know it: It's an addon that alerts you when someone is casting something at you (heavy attacks, skills). It even alerts you if the one attacking is on stealth. So all those "pro" players that know exactly when to dodge/block/shield bubble are doing it mainly because of this addon, not because of skills (there are a few exceptions).

So, now that we ALL know about this, what do you think: should Miat addon be allowed or not?
Edited by Nemeliom on September 2, 2017 4:09AM
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Should Miat's (attack alert) be allowed? 346 votes

Yes
14%
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No
80%
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Maybe
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Other (explain)
2%
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  • KingJ
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    Yes
    Yea and bring it to xbox kappa.
  • Tan9oSuccka
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    No
    Console pleb here.

    No. Seems like cheating to me. I just don't buy the whole "ZOS allows it, therefore not cheating" crap.
  • Biro123
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    I think the vast majority of PC PVPers now use this - so its kind of an even playing field.

    BUT that it isn't on console causes imbalances in that console players think stuff like frags is too strong, PC players don't - cos its so easily dodgeable.. So we have an imbalance.

    Now since Zos HAVE already looked at this addon and decided that they still want to allow this stuff - I think that they have been balancing abilities from a PVP perspective around the fact that this does exist - which kind of makes me think that it should be allowed, and should also be rolled out to console. (in fact, didn't Zos start adding some of the functionality as core?)



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  • badmojo
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    No
    I use it. I dont like that its allowed. But I doubt zos will ever ban it.
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  • Nemeliom
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    No
    I really feel it's unfair, specially for stealth attacks. I used to play NB allways and thought "wow... there are really pro players with good sound. Last 2 months I've been playing a Sorc and looking for different addons I found this one and realized that was why soooo many players where able to avoid Snipe. The cast takes for ever, and you can dismount, take a nap, and dodge before the arrow hits... really unfair.
    Edited by Nemeliom on September 1, 2017 2:08PM
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  • PieMaster1
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    No, and to all the idiots who say "It's not for you to judge how someone plays"..WRONG. That add on is cheating, no need to sugarcoat it with fancy terms in order to minimize it.

    The app outright destroys the whole purpose of Nightblade. Magelight or pots is one thing, but that add gives a stam character with huge stam pool the ability to dodge every single incoming attack. It's cheating. The fact that it TELLS you is cheating, perception on the player's part is not.

    The addon is against the TOS, It's just that ZOS thought it was harmless and did not realize the potential it has on combat. I guarantee it will be revoked, once it's brought to the admin of the game for review.


    Edit - They've already looked at this and still allowed it? Maybe that whole "everybody uses it so it's all even anyways" is the reason.


    Edited by PieMaster1 on September 1, 2017 2:20PM
  • jlboozer
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    No
    I'm glad I play on console, all add-ons are hand holding imo... does anybody know how to play video games without being given step by step instructions any more? You're not good if you have to rely on add-ons...L2P scrubs!
  • AhPook_Is_Here
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    Yes
    Best way for a potato to go from potato to LORD X in a single add-on.
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  • Yakidafi
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    No
    It is annoying that players can get a warning before something happens. I don't use it, see alot that do though. It is not overpowered as some say but it should not exist in the game in my opinion.
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  • jcaceresw
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    No
    Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it.

    No wonder Miat is from AD, the faction of cowardly cheaters and much other adjectives (I fought him all alone questing on Cyrodiil while he was shielded with around 50+ zerg group and of course I got killed due to several skills landing on me at once all casted from him).
  • Juhasow
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    Tbh I dont see any problem in this add-on despite the fact many scrubs avoiding my attacks thx for that and I am not using it . There are much worse easy modes in this game that are in game features. Also I totally get the idea behind creating that add-on because it was created when stamNB burst and gank potential was out of control. People play easy mode bs so other people create things to counter that. Simple. People whining about this add-on which is just result of larger issue with ballance.
    Edited by Juhasow on September 1, 2017 3:26PM
  • altemriel
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    No
    fu*ng cheating!!
  • Biro123
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    jcaceresw wrote: »
    Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it.

    How can it be classed as cheating when the Dev's have intentionally allowed it?
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  • FakeFox
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    No
    I don't think it has too much impact. Though it never the less is cheating in my opinion and therefore shouldn't be allowed.
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  • Gilvoth
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    No
    Obviously should Not be Allowed!
  • ParaNostram
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    No
    Conceptually I don't even understand why people would use an addon like this. I prefer to use the UI as it is, that way when I win I know it was thanks to my own abilities as a player and theorycrafter and not because of some external help.
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  • Balsagna
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    No
    Of course it shouldn't. Anyone who can make a legit argument why it should be in the game, I would like to hear. But this is par for the PC, instead of playing the game you have a bunch of addons that tell you when to block, dodge roll, etc. etc.
  • PieMaster1
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    jcaceresw wrote: »
    Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it.

    How can it be classed as cheating when the Dev's have intentionally allowed it?

    The Devs have never been ganked ;) I think they don't think it's a threat on PC, considering everyone uses that and similar addons.

    I hate to say it, but you'd be gimping yourself if you don't use it on PC. Fight cheating with cheating lol
  • DocFrost72
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    jcaceresw wrote: »
    Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it.

    How can it be classed as cheating when the Dev's have intentionally allowed it?

    I hate to say it, but you'd be gimping yourself if you don't use it on PC. Fight cheating with cheating lol

    I think I'll pass. If I lose to an addon, so be it. I'm a pve soloer mostly, and was getting into pvp until....this.
  • Tavore1138
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    No
    Biro123 wrote: »
    I think the vast majority of PC PVPers now use this - so its kind of an even playing field.

    BUT that it isn't on console causes imbalances in that console players think stuff like frags is too strong, PC players don't - cos its so easily dodgeable.. So we have an imbalance.

    Now since Zos HAVE already looked at this addon and decided that they still want to allow this stuff - I think that they have been balancing abilities from a PVP perspective around the fact that this does exist - which kind of makes me think that it should be allowed, and should also be rolled out to console. (in fact, didn't Zos start adding some of the functionality as core?)



    I won't use it - I stopped playing PvP instead because, IMO, there are a number of features this addon allows that make PvP less fun regardless of your play style.
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  • bebynnag
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    No
    i think they should ban it & a number of other add-ons that are just plain wrong,

    FYI not all console players are miphed because we dont get access to add-ons like this
  • xerikos
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    I have mixed views about this. I would think no because using addons to alter the basic pvp gameplay should not be allowed. Players' skills and abilities are the core of pvp, and addons simply make players lazy. There's no challenge (and no fun). The system alerts you of everything, and you just have to push some keys when it tells you to, and that's all. That ruins the game (from my pov).

    Nevertheless, since everybody (in PC land) has access to this addon, it's kind of ok. It's up to each player to decide what to use. A lot of people say no becuase (they think) addon users have an advantage over those that do not. But then, that's actually what the game is all about: finding and using advantages over your opponents in order to defeat them. Not much difference between using this addon, and wearing legendary (golden) armor vs using fine (green) or superior (blue) only. Those with golden armor will have an advantage over those with only blue, don't you think? Or should we all use the same kind and quality of armor for pvp to even out combat?

    I have to admit, though, that knowing the existence of this addon has let me to cut the time I spend in pvp significantly. Because I decided not to use this addon (for the reason said above) and not being a good pvp player anyway, I know my disadvantages in Cyrodiil are great, so...
  • Juhasow
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    jcaceresw wrote: »
    Like other said, the functionality provided for such add-on is considered cheating. Maybe I am part of the 0.00000001% who do not use it because of that reason. Too sad ZOS have allowed it...
    .

    There is lack of logic here. If developers allowed it then it cannot be considered cheating because it's developer who decides what is cheating and what isnt.

    Also if we talk about functionality. Miat add-on gives You graphic information that some negative thing will hit You so at the end You dont have to look around so much to see it. Isnt that almost the same as buff tracker which graphicly informs You that some negative effects was applied on You or that you applied that on enemie (also with timer and debuffs name) , so You dont have to look around that much to see buffs/debuffs animation on You on Your enemies ?
    If Miat is considered cheating then buff tracking is considered cheating also despite the fact developers allowing it.
  • Hempyre
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    This Poll is inaccurate.

    Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

    Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.

    Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.

    I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.

    You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.

    If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.
    Edited by Hempyre on September 1, 2017 3:53PM
  • Apache_Kid
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    No
    Every once in awhile I'll be glad i play the game on console. This is one of those times.
  • Peekachu99
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    No
    Apache_Kid wrote: »
    Every once in awhile I'll be glad i play the game on console. This is one of those times.

    Then you take a ride around Orsinium at 5 FPS :) I don't know what it is about that city that murders conosole frame rates so bad. If I remember right, I think that's where some unlucky Xbox players were stuck in perma-crashing back around the Thieve's Guild release.
  • Runschei
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    No
    You must be really bad if you have to use that addon
    Edited by Runschei on September 1, 2017 4:14PM
  • Biro123
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    Hempyre wrote: »
    This Poll is inaccurate.

    Miat's add-on on does not provide information on attacks from stealth, it does not provide any information that is not readily available from Zos's api.

    Furthermore, there are other add-ons, such as Combat Cloud, that provide exactly the same kind of information as Miat's.

    Zos changed the api as a result of these addons being able to detect and notify the player of incoming stealth attacks and players in stealth near you.

    I would wager there were more than this one addon in use prior to the changes to the api. Miat releasing his addon publicly is the only reason Zos made these changes.

    You all should be saying thanks for driving the changes to the api, (that Zos would never have done without exposing the flaw) rather than propagating incorrect information.

    If you're going to stand on a soapbox and spew rhetoric, at least make sure your information is accurate.

    Was gonna say this... Any of you guys remember staring to play, and the 'helper text' would pop up stuff like 'Dodge Now!'

    Its basically just this, but only for selected abilities and it pops up right in the middle of your screen with the skill icons so you can't miss it.

    Personally, I don't like it because it screws with certain builds (my favourite frag-heavy DW-sorc builds included) - but I eventually started using it because using those buids highlighted just how common this was.. And you ARE at a disadvantage for not using it.

    But Zos have OK'd it - so there it is.. So not using it is kind of like playing in 1st-person cos you don't think its fair to see someone/thing behind you, but everyone else is already using third-person zoomed out..

    Plus it gives very nice info on the status of resources/keeps etc.
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  • Beardimus
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    No
    Flat no, its cheating. Glad I'm on xbox
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  • Drakkdjinn
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    No
    The last thing this game needs is another set of training wheels for baddies.
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