Spell Power Cure currently the worst healer set in the game
Eingata
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As a Warden that has the maturation passive.
The maturation passive allows for a 10% increase in max health for 5/10 seconds for anyone healed by the person with the passive, with almost a 100% up. Upon first glance this appears to be amazing but the interactions it has with Spell Power Cure completely ruin the set and force you to pick one or the other. Because maturation applies every time you heal someone it is constantly reapplying the hp increase never allowing you to reach true 100% hp, completely breaking the Spell Power Cure passive, making it the worst set in the game with no passive at all.
Best way to test this is to heal people when at full hp because it doesn't count as a heal maturation will not be activated and Spell Power Cure will proc.
The maturation passive allows for a 10% increase in max health for 5/10 seconds for anyone healed by the person with the passive, with almost a 100% up. Upon first glance this appears to be amazing but the interactions it has with Spell Power Cure completely ruin the set and force you to pick one or the other. Because maturation applies every time you heal someone it is constantly reapplying the hp increase never allowing you to reach true 100% hp, completely breaking the Spell Power Cure passive, making it the worst set in the game with no passive at all.
Best way to test this is to heal people when at full hp because it doesn't count as a heal maturation will not be activated and Spell Power Cure will proc.
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BlazingDynamo✭✭✭✭✭It's not a healer set it's a buff set lol so yeah technically it's not what you want if your goal is going for pure heals.
Really wish the warden come out as a stronger support class. Would of been fun to play around with. Unfortunately everyone just wants everything to be about dps.10 -
Eingata✭BlazingDynamo wrote: »It's not a healer set it's a buff set lol so yeah technically it's not what you want if your goal is going for pure heals.
Really wish the warden come out as a stronger support class. Would of been fun to play around with. Unfortunately everyone just wants everything to be about dps.
It doesn't matter if it's a healer set or not because maturation doesn't allow for the capping of health on anyone that is affected by their heals regardless of who is wearing the set in the party Spell Power Cure is completely broken and therefore the worst set in the entire game.
The title was click bait btw.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Have you actually tested this, because what you are saying makes no sense at all lol#MOREORBS22 -
SmellyUnlimited✭✭✭✭Nice click bait.
It doesn't ruin it at all. You'll be healing your group regardless, so when they are at full and you have mana still, cast a healing springs and up everyone's damage.
Trials and dungeons are different strats anyway. Dungeons you want dps more than a 10% increase to health, so I'd go with spell power. Trials, I'd wager the extra 10% is worth it, so go with worm/sanctuary, or worm/XXX.
Definitely not the worst healing set by far.DO. NOT. WIPE. (in game OR out!)2 -
MilwaukeeScott✭✭✭✭✭Have your group standing in your Ritual Of ******.
Hit Mutagen a few times.
Then do the math.PS4NA
All I see is hate and rage from people who don't understand how to.....2 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Have you actually tested this, because what you are saying makes no sense at all lol
i have played my warden healer a lot lately and this is a real issue, the only time i can reliably proc spc is when warhorn is up, that is the only time that the maturation passive does not refresh, as the the minor toughness from warhorn takes precedence. though, if you are using a set the need you to actually heal someone, like Sentinel of Rkugamz, it is great because you're constantly doing that becuase the maturation passive is constantly refreshing, removing the 10% health and then adding the max again, making Sentinel of Rkugamz proc on cool down, so that is something.
this is what happens-
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4466726Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on September 1, 2017 2:54AM3 -
O_LYKOS✭✭✭✭✭
✭So HP is buffed, you then heal to max, heal again, SPC is now in effect. No?PC NA - GreggsSausageRoll0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So HP is buffed, you then heal to max, heal again, SPC is now in effect. No?
Every time you heal a target, the minor toughness refreshes, they lose 10% health, then they gain the 10% max health stat again but not the actual health, so you heal the target again, then the 10% from minor toughness from the maturation passive refreshes and so and so on, you see how this is a problem.6 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Maturation is currently bugged. The buff is supposed to last 10 seconds, but it doesn't. Instead of refreshing when more heals come in, it REMOVED the buffed health, THEN refreshes, actually causing heals to DAMAGE you constantly!
This is similar to the Ebon and Plague Doctor sets before they fixed them where swapping bars would cause you to lose the health they gave even if you had 5-pieces on both bars.
ZOS need to jump on this with a fix ASAP, and people need to keep reporting it until they realize it is broken.
@ZOS_GinaBruno10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As a Warden that has the maturation passive.
The maturation passive allows for a 10% increase in max health for 5/10 seconds for anyone healed by the person with the passive, with almost a 100% up. Upon first glance this appears to be amazing but the interactions it has with Spell Power Cure completely ruin the set and force you to pick one or the other. Because maturation applies every time you heal someone it is constantly reapplying the hp increase never allowing you to reach true 100% hp, completely breaking the Spell Power Cure passive, making it the worst set in the game with no passive at all.
Best way to test this is to heal people when at full hp because it doesn't count as a heal maturation will not be activated and Spell Power Cure will proc.
First, the Warden passive increasing max health by 10% is mostly worthless in trials since WH provides the same buff and should have a 100% uptime with 2 tanks and 2 healers, probably up most, if not full time, with 1 tank and 2 healers. Probably the most useless passive in any class for trials. PvP probably more so.
Further, Considering a trial group will have the buff almost full time otherwise the rest of the argument does not seem to hold water.0 -
BlazingDynamo✭✭✭✭✭BlazingDynamo wrote: »It's not a healer set it's a buff set lol so yeah technically it's not what you want if your goal is going for pure heals.
Really wish the warden come out as a stronger support class. Would of been fun to play around with. Unfortunately everyone just wants everything to be about dps.
It doesn't matter if it's a healer set or not because maturation doesn't allow for the capping of health on anyone that is affected by their heals regardless of who is wearing the set in the party Spell Power Cure is completely broken and therefore the worst set in the entire game.
The title was click bait btw.
Yes, definitely the worst set in the entire game.
Get a grip.
Thanks for the memo on the click bait. Keep in mind for next time if you have to click bait, you're probably the problem...2 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »As a Warden that has the maturation passive.
The maturation passive allows for a 10% increase in max health for 5/10 seconds for anyone healed by the person with the passive, with almost a 100% up. Upon first glance this appears to be amazing but the interactions it has with Spell Power Cure completely ruin the set and force you to pick one or the other. Because maturation applies every time you heal someone it is constantly reapplying the hp increase never allowing you to reach true 100% hp, completely breaking the Spell Power Cure passive, making it the worst set in the game with no passive at all.
Best way to test this is to heal people when at full hp because it doesn't count as a heal maturation will not be activated and Spell Power Cure will proc.
First, the Warden passive increasing max health by 10% is mostly worthless in trials since WH provides the same buff and should have a 100% uptime with 2 tanks and 2 healers, probably up most, if not full time, with 1 tank and 2 healers. Probably the most useless passive in any class for trials. PvP probably more so.
Further, Considering a trial group will have the buff almost full time otherwise the rest of the argument does not seem to hold water.
None of this has anything to do with the topic. The passive IS bugged. Doesnt matter if it's useful in trials or not.Maturation is currently bugged. The buff is supposed to last 10 seconds, but it doesn't. Instead of refreshing when more heals come in, it REMOVED the buffed health, THEN refreshes, actually causing heals to DAMAGE you constantly!
This is similar to the Ebon and Plague Doctor sets before they fixed them where swapping bars would cause you to lose the health they gave even if you had 5-pieces on both bars.
ZOS need to jump on this with a fix ASAP, and people need to keep reporting it until they realize it is broken.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Ebon still does this for your group. Really annoying, as I can't run ebon and the other set I want to without having a weapon on one bar and a shield on the other.0 -
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✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »So HP is buffed, you then heal to max, heal again, SPC is now in effect. No?
Every time you heal a target, the minor toughness refreshes, they lose 10% health, then they gain the 10% max health stat again but not the actual health, so you heal the target again, then the 10% from minor toughness from the maturation passive refreshes and so and so on, you see how this is a problem.
When I used my healer warden for some time I didn't have this issue. It lasts for ten seconds so...However I see Phinix1 suggested the passive is "currently" bugged in which case perhaps this bug had occurred since I played that character which in all honesty I have neglected for some time.PC NA - GreggsSausageRoll0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BlazingDynamo wrote: »It's not a healer set it's a buff set lol so yeah technically it's not what you want if your goal is going for pure heals.
Really wish the warden come out as a stronger support class. Would of been fun to play around with. Unfortunately everyone just wants everything to be about dps.
Which is funny because they're the worst DPS class in the game, by a country mile.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BlazingDynamo wrote: »It's not a healer set it's a buff set lol so yeah technically it's not what you want if your goal is going for pure heals.
Really wish the warden come out as a stronger support class. Would of been fun to play around with. Unfortunately everyone just wants everything to be about dps.
thats why im really looking forward to the new bard class with debuff/buff group support ^^0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »So HP is buffed, you then heal to max, heal again, SPC is now in effect. No?
Every time you heal a target, the minor toughness refreshes, they lose 10% health, then they gain the 10% max health stat again but not the actual health, so you heal the target again, then the 10% from minor toughness from the maturation passive refreshes and so and so on, you see how this is a problem.
When I used my healer warden for some time I didn't have this issue. It lasts for ten seconds so...However I see Phinix1 suggested the passive is "currently" bugged in which case perhaps this bug had occurred since I played that character which in all honesty I have neglected for some time.
Do you use springs or mutagen? Have you watched the video in that thread I posted? This might be is something that is new, I only started to heal with the warden this week.0 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Do you use springs or mutagen? Have you watched the video in that thread I posted? This might be is something that is new, I only started to heal with the warden this week.
Check out the video in this post about the Warden Maturation passive and toughness bug. I am using springs here, and you can see the Minor Toughness buff gets removed THEN re-applied every heal that ticks, which is clearly bugged.
The ability is supposed to last 10 seconds. Re-applying should reset the timer, not remove the extra health even though you technically still have the buff, DAMAGING YOU, only to THEN re-apply the health buff.
As I said, this causes Warden heals (ANY heals, not just class) to effectively do damage for the value of the extra health buff every time they heal someone at full health, also making Minor Toughness basically useless in this context as HoTs are ticking constantly.
Keep in mind Minor Toughness has basically 100% uptime on Wardens with the Maturation passive due to AOE HoTs and passive healing.
Edited by Phinix1 on September 1, 2017 4:06AM5 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Do you use springs or mutagen? Have you watched the video in that thread I posted? This might be is something that is new, I only started to heal with the warden this week.
Check out the video in this post about the Warden Maturation passive and toughness bug. I am using springs here, and you can see the Minor Toughness buff gets removed THEN re-applied every heal that ticks, which is clearly bugged.
The ability is supposed to last 10 seconds. Re-applying should reset the timer, not remove the extra health even though you technically still have the buff, DAMAGING YOU, only to THEN re-apply the health buff.
As I said, this causes Warden heals (ANY heals, not just class) to effectively do damage for the value of the extra health buff every time they heal someone at full health, also making Minor Toughness basically useless in this context as HoTs are ticking constantly.
Keep in mind Minor Toughness has basically 100% uptime on Wardens with the Maturation passive due to AOE HoTs and passive healing.
Can confirm this is what happens, really irritating.1 -
BlazingDynamo✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »It's not a healer set it's a buff set lol so yeah technically it's not what you want if your goal is going for pure heals.
Really wish the warden come out as a stronger support class. Would of been fun to play around with. Unfortunately everyone just wants everything to be about dps.
Which is funny because they're the worst DPS class in the game, by a country mile.
I don't think their intentions were to make it a competitive dps class. Even if they revamped it into an incredible support class it wouldn't matter cause everybody wants it to be another dps3 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »
While the op could have stated it better, this is a real problem for warden healers.3 -
Eingata✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »
While the op could have stated it better, this is a real problem for warden healers.
Honestly the point was made and the click bait did its job to get the attention it needed on this as far as I can tell, dead forum.
The fact there are uninformed trolls is just the usual in any game.
Either know humility or test before speaking.
I've given up maturation for SPC.1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »
While the op could have stated it better, this is a real problem for warden healers.
Honestly the point was made and the click bait did its job to get the attention it needed on this as far as I can tell, dead forum.
The fact there are uninformed trolls is just the usual in any game.
Either know humility or test before speaking.
I've given up maturation for SPC.
What does the bold mean and who are you saying it to?0 -
Eingata✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »
While the op could have stated it better, this is a real problem for warden healers.
Honestly the point was made and the click bait did its job to get the attention it needed on this as far as I can tell, dead forum.
The fact there are uninformed trolls is just the usual in any game.
Either know humility or test before speaking.
I've given up maturation for SPC.
What does the bold mean and who are you saying it to?
It means what it says, honestly accept when you're wrong and admit to it and move on as a person to better yourself and everyone or 100% know without a doubt with no subjective thought that you are right. It's directed at everyone not exclusive to this thread it also includes myself, it's how I view the world. Unless you're omnipotent knowing humility can go a long way to making friends and bettering yourself. The only thing worse than lying is lying to yourself.
Edit: It wasn't directed at you.Edited by Eingata on September 1, 2017 6:17AM0 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »BlazingDynamo wrote: »It's not a healer set it's a buff set lol so yeah technically it's not what you want if your goal is going for pure heals.
Really wish the warden come out as a stronger support class. Would of been fun to play around with. Unfortunately everyone just wants everything to be about dps.
Which is funny because they're the worst DPS class in the game, by a country mile.
At least Nightblades can now hold there heads up in pride now
"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »
While the op could have stated it better, this is a real problem for warden healers.
Honestly the point was made and the click bait did its job to get the attention it needed on this as far as I can tell, dead forum.
The fact there are uninformed trolls is just the usual in any game.
Either know humility or test before speaking.
I've given up maturation for SPC.
What does the bold mean and who are you saying it to?
It means what it says, honestly accept when you're wrong and admit to it and move on as a person to better yourself and everyone or 100% know without a doubt with no subjective thought that you are right. It's directed at everyone not exclusive to this thread it also includes myself, it's how I view the world. Unless you're omnipotent knowing humility can go a long way to making friends and bettering yourself. The only thing worse than lying is lying to yourself.
Edit: It wasn't directed at you.
I don't have any problem with what you are saying but I question why you would say something so pretentious. This is a forum for a video game. One I take serious, as do others, but in the end it is a video game.3 -
Eingata✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »
While the op could have stated it better, this is a real problem for warden healers.
Honestly the point was made and the click bait did its job to get the attention it needed on this as far as I can tell, dead forum.
The fact there are uninformed trolls is just the usual in any game.
Either know humility or test before speaking.
I've given up maturation for SPC.
What does the bold mean and who are you saying it to?
It means what it says, honestly accept when you're wrong and admit to it and move on as a person to better yourself and everyone or 100% know without a doubt with no subjective thought that you are right. It's directed at everyone not exclusive to this thread it also includes myself, it's how I view the world. Unless you're omnipotent knowing humility can go a long way to making friends and bettering yourself. The only thing worse than lying is lying to yourself.
Edit: It wasn't directed at you.
I don't have any problem with what you are saying but I question why you would say something so pretentious. This is a forum for a video game. One I take serious, as do others, but in the end it is a video game.
Exactly, that's why your true character is so easily shown. Rather than think and comprehend it's much easier just to type the first thought that came into your head without thinking further, it's a not 100% method but it is an indicator of how people would think or react in casual social gatherings. IMO it's really not about whether you take the game seriously more about whether you take yourself seriously.
Like you said I could've worded it better but this thread is still has a fairly good amount of people you can use as examples, they would rather have certain and closed minds and base decisions on perceived notions of how things should work rather than how they do work.
Some thought I was trolling, they're just unable to think beyond what they see in the sentence because they already have a perceived notion of how something should work.
Some completely missed the point unable to even comprehend what the thread was about, a glitch. They would rather listen to themselves talk about things they believe they have absolute certainty in rather than comprehend how things actually work.
I don't think it's pretentious, I just think I take myself a little more seriously than some people in the casual environment.
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »
While the op could have stated it better, this is a real problem for warden healers.
Honestly the point was made and the click bait did its job to get the attention it needed on this as far as I can tell, dead forum.
The fact there are uninformed trolls is just the usual in any game.
Either know humility or test before speaking.
I've given up maturation for SPC.
What does the bold mean and who are you saying it to?
It means what it says, honestly accept when you're wrong and admit to it and move on as a person to better yourself and everyone or 100% know without a doubt with no subjective thought that you are right. It's directed at everyone not exclusive to this thread it also includes myself, it's how I view the world. Unless you're omnipotent knowing humility can go a long way to making friends and bettering yourself. The only thing worse than lying is lying to yourself.
Edit: It wasn't directed at you.
I don't have any problem with what you are saying but I question why you would say something so pretentious. This is a forum for a video game. One I take serious, as do others, but in the end it is a video game.
Exactly, that's why your true character is so easily shown. Rather than think and comprehend it's much easier just to type the first thought that came into your head without thinking further, it's a not 100% method but it is an indicator of how people would think or react in casual social gatherings. IMO it's really not about whether you take the game seriously more about whether you take yourself seriously.
Like you said I could've worded it better but this thread is still has a fairly good amount of people you can use as examples, they would rather have certain and closed minds and base decisions on perceived notions of how things should work rather than how they do work.
Some thought I was trolling, they're just unable to think beyond what they see in the sentence because they already have a perceived notion of how something should work.
Some completely missed the point unable to even comprehend what the thread was about, a glitch. They would rather listen to themselves talk about things they believe they have absolute certainty in rather than comprehend how things actually work.
I don't think it's pretentious, I just think I take myself a little more seriously than some people in the casual environment.
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