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Stam DK Build - Gouda Cheese (PvP / BG)

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Warning: you WILL get hate tells if you run this. People will accuse you of hacking. The ignore list will become your friend.

So I play my Stam DK a lot in the BGs and get a lot of hate tells when I play him. I figured I'd post my build here...

Background: I'm not a naturally talented player. I'm 30 years old and while some of the kids I play with can learn a new play style overnight, it takes me a while to get good at things... but I like to think that I have the dedication to see things through and so I tend to stick to one thing (BGs) and focus all of my effort there. that's why you can usually find me doing the same thing every night - the BGs. I focus on my gear and potions to carry me!

The Stam DK as a class has few competitive advantages over a Stam warden. We're good at four things: blocking dmg, being healed, casting CC, and using DoTs.

The traditional Stam DK strategy is to use the fury set and let dmg build up, then do a dizzy swing + ult + execute combo when you're at max dmg. This doesn't work in the BGs though because while you're waiting for fury to ramp up, your teammates will be dying.

Those of you who have fought my DK in the BGs will know that I'm fairly hard to kill and still capable of decent burst dmg. That's what I'm going for here.

Note: this build is all-or-nothing. If you don't get the right weapon traits or don't run the right potion, it won't work.

BUILD:
Preferred race: orc. By a lot. Red guard isn't even close.

5/2 (heavy / medium)

Monster set: Shadowrend (crazy, right?!)
Chest / legs / gloves / boots: Blessed Meridia (oh the cheese!!!) (all impen)
Ring / Ring / ammy / belt: Spriggans

Wep slot 1: 2h Axe. Spriggans, infused, absorb stamina enchant
Wep Slot 2: 1h axe, Spriggans, infused. Wep dmg increase + Blessed meridian shield (sturdy, Tristat glyph)

Mundus: the warrior
Potion: speed + lingering health (you need max alchemy for 100% uptime)
Jewelry glyphs: 2x wep dmg, 1x cost reduction. (If you're 5/1/1 run 2x cost reduction)

Skills:
2h:
1. Fires of oblivion
2. Dizzy swing
3. Execute
4. Rally
5. Volatile armor
6. Ult: Flawless dawnbreaker

1h/Shield:
1. Petrify
2. Puncture
3. Reverb bash / searing strike (pick your poison)
4. Green Dragon Blood
5. Shuffle
6. Ult: Take Flight / Ferocious leap (I like leap because now that dawnbreaker is fixed you can just use that as your offensive ult and use leap defensively if you get a ton of enemies on you and want to get a dmg shield and knock them all down to make an escape. Or just leap the one furthest away and then take off.

Commentary:
1. What? No Vigor? Wtf?!
with shadowrend and constitution, I have enough magicka recovery to be able to use GDB reliably every 10 seconds. The potion I use heals me for ~ 900 every second, but with the healing passives of GDB that number goes up (as does Rally). Remember that with blessed meridia, one of your opponents won't be able to hit you for 5s out of every 10s, so GDB + rally is more than enough.

2. So the lingering health potion heals you, but what about the stamina and immov pots?
blessed set is ridiculously OP. If you proc it on someone, they can't hit you with anything. Not even CC. If you're fighting a sorc and they put up the mines, you can literally run right over them with 0 consequence to get the surprises sorc. A DK's petrify? Nope! Beast trap? Nah man. Warden birds? Won't hit you when blessed is procced.

3. You have to block to trigger blessed meridia, don't you run out of Stam?
This is the only tricky thing with this build. You do not have enough stamina sustain to block for very long. You need to get used to doing little "block bursts" to trigger blessed. The best metaphor for this is blocking in street fighter .. hold block down as shortly as possible so that it corresponds with a hit. Using Miat's (even more cheese, I'm a madman!) makes this easier because you can tell when a projectile will hit.

4. But shadowrend is a magicka set!
Well nobody bothered to tell the shadowrend pet that. It hits anywhere from 1-2k AND hits your enemies with minor maim. And it's unkillable and unCCable. That's like combining viper and wizard's riposte into a two piece. Plus the mag recovery is useful because it converts into Stam - GDB increases your Stam recovery by 20% and petrify obviously gives you stamina.

5. But dizzy swing is a noob skill that's easy to avoid!
Yeah it's usually easy to avoid. Not so easy to avoid if none of your skills affect the DS spammer. There is nothing more glorious than procing blessed and running right over a sorc's mines or through a Mag DK's talons to DS - leap - execute 4tw, all while your shadowrend pet is eating them alive. Added bonus - they usually don't recast their shields when they think they're protected by CC... also, even though you're CC immune to them, you won't show as being CC immune.. because technically you aren't. Such Cheese!

6. Why use DS when you have petrify? You're bad
I like to open with petrify, or if I'm fighting two people, I'll petrify whoever I'm not DS spamming. It's also a great escape tool if you need it, but MOST OF ALL I don't run a gap closer, so petrify + speed from pots makes sure I reach whoever I want to reach.

7. Why absorb stamina on 2h?
It's good dmg on infused and great sustain. Equivalent to approx 300 Stam regen, which allows you to use warrior and an extra wep dmg glyph.

I run around on the 1h/s bar. Petrify is my gap close. If I need to I'll proc blessed, but usually I'll wait until the 6s CC immunity is up from petrify. I open with searing strike and then puncture, which will proc the wep enchant glyph on the 1h and boost your dmg by 400 for 5s. Then I do a dizzy swing. First swing is almost always avoided by them. That's ok. Then the enemy will try to hit me with CC or dmg - that's just what people do to someone who is DS spamming them... that's when I switch back to s/s and block to proc blessed. If it's up again I'll try to hit wep dmg glyph. Once blessed is procced, go nuts with DS. There is nothing the enemy can do for 5s that will affect you, so unleash your burst! Hopefully a DS will knock them up in the Air by this point at which point you can do the cliche ult drop + execute. (Can't dodgeroll unless your feet are on ground) Also shadowrend will be doing its thing lol.

If you get in trouble, shadowrend will do minor maim... and blessed is a very defensive set by nature and you can always choose to use it defensively.

I'll try to make a video when I get home. The only thing that would make this cheesier is if I ran the exact same thing on a warden.
Edited by Thogard on August 22, 2017 8:37PM
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  • IcyDeadPeople
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    Seems like a fun build!
    Thogard wrote: »
    Petrify is my gap close.

    Er...how does that work exactly?
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    Seems like a fun build!
    Thogard wrote: »
    Petrify is my gap close.

    Er...how does that work exactly?

    Petrify is a stun + root but it has a pretty nice range to it. In the time it takes the enemy to break their stun and then break their root, I've already reached them with my speed pots and orc speed sprint. As an orc running speed pots, I can literally rundown a sorc spamming bolt escape, and they'll run out of magicka before I run out of stamina.
    Edited by Thogard on August 22, 2017 8:46PM
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  • Minno
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Seems like a fun build!
    Thogard wrote: »
    Petrify is my gap close.

    Er...how does that work exactly?

    Petrify is a stun + root but it has a pretty nice range to it. In the time it takes the enemy to break their stun and then break their root, I've already reached them with my speed pots and orc speed sprint. As an orc running speed pots, I can literally rundown a sorc spamming bolt escape, and they'll run out of magicka before I run out of stamina.

    As a magplar that builds for speed, I can confirm running without a gap closer is more fun and provides you with more flexibility in your positioning.

    It takes getting used to, but if your class/build has no good option for a gap closer, then speed pots are a good way to get moving.
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  • Takes-No-Prisoner
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    Thogard wrote: »
    I'll try to make a video when I get home. The only thing that would make this cheesier is if I ran the exact same thing on a warden.

    Your vid better have this picture in it!! /s

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    I am curious and looking forward to seeing it / and rage tells
    Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on August 22, 2017 9:18PM
  • Thogard
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    Minno wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Seems like a fun build!
    Thogard wrote: »
    Petrify is my gap close.

    Er...how does that work exactly?

    Petrify is a stun + root but it has a pretty nice range to it. In the time it takes the enemy to break their stun and then break their root, I've already reached them with my speed pots and orc speed sprint. As an orc running speed pots, I can literally rundown a sorc spamming bolt escape, and they'll run out of magicka before I run out of stamina.

    As a magplar that builds for speed, I can confirm running without a gap closer is more fun and provides you with more flexibility in your positioning.

    It takes getting used to, but if your class/build has no good option for a gap closer, then speed pots are a good way to get moving.

    I think it's a little easier on Stam DK because sprinting is very cheap, Stam recovery is higher, and most of all our ranged CC doesn't push the target even farther away from us lol
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  • Minno
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Minno wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Seems like a fun build!
    Thogard wrote: »
    Petrify is my gap close.

    Er...how does that work exactly?

    Petrify is a stun + root but it has a pretty nice range to it. In the time it takes the enemy to break their stun and then break their root, I've already reached them with my speed pots and orc speed sprint. As an orc running speed pots, I can literally rundown a sorc spamming bolt escape, and they'll run out of magicka before I run out of stamina.

    As a magplar that builds for speed, I can confirm running without a gap closer is more fun and provides you with more flexibility in your positioning.

    It takes getting used to, but if your class/build has no good option for a gap closer, then speed pots are a good way to get moving.

    I think it's a little easier on Stam DK because sprinting is very cheap, Stam recovery is higher, and most of all our ranged CC doesn't push the target even farther away from us lol

    I use prisoner set with burst sprints and only use Dawnbreaker for my offensive cc (since it ignores dodge). Otherwise I try to use mage rune for defensive CC.

    But this isn't about my Templar, this about your cheese:
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  • ak_pvp
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    This is one of the most unique builds I have seen, would love to see it in action.
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    ak_pvp wrote: »
    This is one of the most unique builds I have seen, would love to see it in action.

    At work now, vid inc soon.

    My video editing skills are not the greatest
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  • Lexxypwns
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    10/10! Sick build man

    Can confirm meridias is stupid OP. Been running it with surge and skoria to cheese people in duels for ages. As soon as you get that "100k duel scrub" tell in cyro it's time to throw meridia on.

    I would think for BGs, maybe trap warrants consideration in that reverb/searing spot?
    Edited by Lexxypwns on August 22, 2017 9:50PM
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    10/10! Sick build man

    Can confirm meridias is stupid OP. Been running it with surge and skoria to cheese people in duels for ages. As soon as you get that "100k duel scrub" tell in cyro it's time to throw meridia on.

    I would think for BGs, maybe trap warrants consideration in that reverb/searing spot?

    Thanks!

    IMO meridia in duels is just ridiculously OP. The weakness of the set is when you have multiple opponents. In a 1v1, it's just absurdly OP. Most of the people I duel won't duel me if I wear meridias, and in my circle of friends the set is right alongside resource poisons in things we usually don't allow in duels.

    Speaking of cheese though, I actually tried using a sharp spriggans axe w/ a Stam cost increase / recovery poison instead of infused with enchant, but the poison proc with wrecking blow was just too unreliable for sustain..

    If I had a nirnhoned 2h axe I might add back on a recovery glyph and use a dmg poison, but it just seems like it's too close to infused + abs Stam for me... but that's not counting how much the cost increase affects the opponent.

    If I was dual wield then VMA would make more sense
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  • Lexxypwns
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    10/10! Sick build man

    Can confirm meridias is stupid OP. Been running it with surge and skoria to cheese people in duels for ages. As soon as you get that "100k duel scrub" tell in cyro it's time to throw meridia on.

    I would think for BGs, maybe trap warrants consideration in that reverb/searing spot?

    Thanks!

    IMO meridia in duels is just ridiculously OP. The weakness of the set is when you have multiple opponents. In a 1v1, it's just absurdly OP. Most of the people I duel won't duel me if I wear meridias, and in my circle of friends the set is right alongside resource poisons in things we usually don't allow in duels.

    Speaking of cheese though, I actually tried using a sharp spriggans axe w/ a Stam cost increase / recovery poison instead of infused with enchant, but the poison proc with wrecking blow was just too unreliable for sustain..

    If I had a nirnhoned 2h axe I might add back on a recovery glyph and use a dmg poison, but it just seems like it's too close to infused + abs Stam for me... but that's not counting how much the cost increase affects the opponent.

    If I was dual wield then VMA would make more sense

    I'd never wear it to friendly duels, but the salty hate tell duel challenges, sure.

    Can't you just heavy attack more for sustain with the poison?
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    Hey guys,

    Sorry for the lack of a vid. My computer just couldn't seem to finish processing it.

    Regardless, I regret to inform everyone that the build is dead. Now that shadowrend can't crit, its DPS potential is meh and it's lost its burst, which was really the reason we had it in the first place.

    I'm hopping around between builds now and will let you all know what I land on.
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  • TankHealz2015
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    Love to see unique builds like this.

    And thanks for the complete explanations on "how" you make it work.

    Question: is there an obvious graphic to show when the Meridia's has procc'ed?

    Thanks!
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    @Thogard

    Nice build. You are on PC-EU right? Pretty sure i have stumbled upon you a couple of times. When i see that "Miss" popping up, i will confess that i simply get out and move along. There is NO WAY to kill someone using Meridias in a 1v1. And i have tried alot. Nowadays, i just move along. Just sucks when you are sitting on that fat flag in Domination, or decide to grab my relic ;)

    But really nice off-meta build. I am currently working on my StamDK, which are using some of the same mechanics as you are. Nice to see someone else using Fossilize as the gapcloser (especially on Heavy attack builds. Fossilize distance matches perfectly with the draw-up on a fully charged heavy)

    Have not really considered Shadowrend before, because the AI of these pets are normally very bad. They will chase your opponent unending, but never actually hit. But guess i should test it out.
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    Love to see unique builds like this.

    And thanks for the complete explanations on "how" you make it work.

    Question: is there an obvious graphic to show when the Meridia's has procc'ed?

    Thanks!

    Yes meridia has a graphic but it's hard to notice sometimes. It looks like small fireworks going off in front of the target's face. Unfortunately there are a million other effects that do the same thing but for the entire body, so you have to really watch the eye area of the enemy
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    @Thogard

    Nice build. You are on PC-EU right? Pretty sure i have stumbled upon you a couple of times. When i see that "Miss" popping up, i will confess that i simply get out and move along. There is NO WAY to kill someone using Meridias in a 1v1. And i have tried alot. Nowadays, i just move along. Just sucks when you are sitting on that fat flag in Domination, or decide to grab my relic ;)

    But really nice off-meta build. I am currently working on my StamDK, which are using some of the same mechanics as you are. Nice to see someone else using Fossilize as the gapcloser (especially on Heavy attack builds. Fossilize distance matches perfectly with the draw-up on a fully charged heavy)

    Have not really considered Shadowrend before, because the AI of these pets are normally very bad. They will chase your opponent unending, but never actually hit. But guess i should test it out.

    PC NA.

    Shadowrend pet is nice in that it dies and resets every 15s. AFAIK It'll attack whoever you had targeted when it was summoned.
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  • Kartalin
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    I was pretty sure that was your Shadowrend that was in my face last night, did not realize about the Blessed Armor too, though it makes sense now, lol. Good build
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    Kartalin wrote: »
    I was pretty sure that was your Shadowrend that was in my face last night, did not realize about the Blessed Armor too, though it makes sense now, lol. Good build
    Ha I thought so too at first and actually double checked my equipped items! I think two of my teammates were running 2x shadowrend. If I had died I was going to put mine on too just for the *** and giggles (I had queued solo) but I never died and didn't get the chance.

    I was running trollking last night, but i could definitely feel the lower DPS. I think trollking + blessed is just too much defense.
    Edited by Thogard on August 31, 2017 4:07PM
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  • Lexxypwns
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Kartalin wrote: »
    I was pretty sure that was your Shadowrend that was in my face last night, did not realize about the Blessed Armor too, though it makes sense now, lol. Good build
    Ha I thought so too at first and actually double checked my equipped items! I think two of my teammates were running 2x shadowrend. If I had died I was going to put mine on too just for the *** and giggles (I had queued solo) but I never died and didn't get the chance.

    I was running trollking last night, but i could definitely feel the lower DPS. I think trollking + blessed is just too much defense.

    Have you tried skoria? you may need to add an offensive DoT, but I think your bleeds+volatile is enough to proc it reliably.know that if you pop volatile in the middle of an enemy group it will proc reliably.
    Edited by Lexxypwns on August 31, 2017 4:49PM
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Kartalin wrote: »
    I was pretty sure that was your Shadowrend that was in my face last night, did not realize about the Blessed Armor too, though it makes sense now, lol. Good build
    Ha I thought so too at first and actually double checked my equipped items! I think two of my teammates were running 2x shadowrend. If I had died I was going to put mine on too just for the *** and giggles (I had queued solo) but I never died and didn't get the chance.

    I was running trollking last night, but i could definitely feel the lower DPS. I think trollking + blessed is just too much defense.

    Have you tried skoria? you may need to add an offensive DoT, but I think your bleeds+volatile is enough to proc it reliably.know that if you pop volatile in the middle of an enemy group it will proc reliably.

    Yeah I've tried skoria. In my experience it works much more reliably if I'm DW. I've run 2h back, DW front bar and skoria procs really well but not having a shield makes blocking just way too expensive when I'm trying to proc blessed. I also think that 2H is more bursty than DW, although my overall dmg numbers tend to be lower. Blade cloak will also proc skoria.

    I like meridia because it's a 1 bar set, it doesn't need to be on both bars. Spriggans unfortunately would need to be on the 2h bar. I was thinking about using sunderflame on 1h and meridia on 1h and VMA on 2h but it just seems like I'd have to line up too many things on the 1h bar before I can start the dmg process.

    Running DW with axes definitely procs skoria often though. I just can't survive that well with DW if I'm not running troll king. If I have a healer in the group that I trust I could (and have) run that.
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