HOTR - Best gear for Sorc? Alcast build?

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

Hi guys,

Checking Alcast' build you can see he has suggested using 5x juli, 5x necro/netch along with 1x monster set (iceheart) .... I'm not convinced as I've seen a few people boast about the DPS from Maw of infernal (2 piece) along with 4 piece moondancer, IA etc...

What are your thoughts? Anybody tested this further? Thanks!

SoLooney · August 2017

maw of the infernal got nerfed, can no longer crit. and alcasts build is just one of many, it works for him and he decided to share it. for me personally, i will be sticking to a similar set up to what i had morrowind: 2 ilambris, 5 necro, 3 moondancer jewelry, moondancer lightning staff infuses front bar, maelstrom lightning nirnhoned backbar. if going non pet, switch the necro to netch/julianos. apprentice if group is optimized or lover if group is not

You will probably have to do some testing and see what works best for you and your group

Feanor · August 2017

Maw of the Infernal can no longer crit as of 3.1.7. So I don't think it will play a role any longer and is back in the trash heap.

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

Oh right, I didn't realise that actually, so yeah I also have 2x ilambris, 4x moondancer (I'm not sure if to use precise or infused for main bar??) and 5x necro ... I do like the pet build, I also have netchs but I do think I prefer the pet build...

"apprentice if group is optimized or lover if group is not" - what do you mean by optimized?

So rather than ilambris which got nerfed, what would be another decent monster set to use then? I heard Valk Skoria was also performing well? So confused!

nbksaske · August 2017

So is ilambris still good? Or is it now trash?

aagobbo · August 2017

Optimized group is a group with buff/debuff to increase penetration

Sheva I 7 I · August 2017

nbksaske wrote: »

So is ilambris still good? Or is it now trash?

it lost like 250 dps (if both fire and light get activated) still good imo

Infused front bar - nirnhoned/precise back bar
no meta anymore you can use:

5 Juli/4moondancer or aether (aether outdps's moondancer on first 10million then they almost equalize)
5 sorrow/5 juli/1 ice heart
5 sorrow/5 juli/1 domihius
5 BSW (Fire rune build preferably), 5 sorrow, 1 ice heart or domi
5 TBS/4 aether/monster set or 1 domi and 1 iceheart
5 Necro/5 sorrow/1 iceheart (if pet build)

Pick and choose what you want, difference is going to be niche.

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

nbksaske wrote: »

So is ilambris still good? Or is it now trash?

it lost like 250 dps (if both fire and light get activated) still good imo

Infused front bar - nirnhoned/precise back bar
no meta anymore you can use:

5 Juli/4moondancer or aether (aether outdps's moondancer on first 10million then they almost equalize)
5 sorrow/5 juli/1 ice heart
5 sorrow/5 juli/1 domihius
5 BSW (Fire rune build preferably), 5 sorrow, 1 ice heart or domi
5 TBS/4 aether/monster set or 1 domi and 1 iceheart
5 Necro/5 sorrow/1 iceheart (if pet build)

Pick and choose what you want, difference is going to be niche.

Interesting - so would you suggest using 5x juli with 4 moondancer then? Rather than necro? Why would that be?

Thanks again! This is great information.

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

nbksaske wrote: »

So is ilambris still good? Or is it now trash?

it lost like 250 dps (if both fire and light get activated) still good imo

Infused front bar - nirnhoned/precise back bar
no meta anymore you can use:

5 Juli/4moondancer or aether (aether outdps's moondancer on first 10million then they almost equalize)
5 sorrow/5 juli/1 ice heart
5 sorrow/5 juli/1 domihius
5 BSW (Fire rune build preferably), 5 sorrow, 1 ice heart or domi
5 TBS/4 aether/monster set or 1 domi and 1 iceheart
5 Necro/5 sorrow/1 iceheart (if pet build)

Pick and choose what you want, difference is going to be niche.

Interesting - so would you suggest using 5x juli with 4 moondancer then? Rather than necro? Why would that be?

Thanks again! This is great information.

Crit. Its very beneficial to have a 5 piece set that provides atleast 1 spell critical bonus in it.

Julianos has 1600 crit bonus
Necro gives 0 crit

That can be deal breaker for many and for me its always been like that same reason why i dont run spriggan it gives 0 crit.

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

Ah right OK cool

So you could still run 1x pet with the Julianos build or would that not be good now? The Volatile creature?

Or would it be best to use a different skill now? I'll get to crafting Julianos later now I know this

I have 3x gold aether jewelry but I cannot find the staff so I will just use Moondancer 4 piece right now.. I think I have infused somewhere..

A few people last night were saying to use Precise on front bar? Or Sharpened? Rather than infused?

I need to still get maelstrom bar for the backbar as the traits i've got have been useless. Thanks again!

Beardimus · August 2017

The problem is there was clear OP meta for so so long people want the new Meta, but its chasing unicorns as there are more diverse options now, and chasing that one set will probably offer 0.1% as opposed to the 4-5% before

This is the second post regarding doubt on an Alcast build not sounding right today, its a weird hybrid of wanting meta, not trusting / not wanting to theory craft.

The clearest posts on here are from the maths guy's - D Pencil, Asayre etc - you can use them to just make your own mind up.

djdc1234 · August 2017

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

Hi guys,

Checking Alcast' build you can see he has suggested using 5x juli, 5x necro/netch along with 1x monster set (iceheart) .... I'm not convinced as I've seen a few people boast about the DPS from Maw of infernal (2 piece) along with 4 piece moondancer, IA etc...

What are your thoughts? Anybody tested this further? Thanks!

I use 3 moondancer Jule, 5netch, 2lamb. Seems to just melt adds in vet

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

The problem is there was clear OP meta for so so long people want the new Meta, but its chasing unicorns as there are more diverse options now, and chasing that one set will probably offer 0.1% as opposed to the 4-5% before

This is the second post regarding doubt on an Alcast build not sounding right today, its a weird hybrid of wanting meta, not trusting / not wanting to theory craft.

The clearest posts on here are from the maths guy's - D Pencil, Asayre etc - you can use them to just make your own mind up.

Yeah that is true to some extent; I understand that there may be several viable builds but just a point in the right direction would be useful. Not sure if infused/precise would be better on front bar?

supaskrub · August 2017

I'm running a 5x Netch's touch + 5x Spider Cultist and a 1 pc kena, double lightning destro build that gives me more dps than supposed "meta", there is no meta to follow, use a build that suits your playstyle not a top 0.5% youtubers who is very skilled at the game and makes everything look easy peasy.

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

The only reason I'm asking is because I almost can't be bothered to farm completely different sets, I have had great results with the following build (below) last patch, and I guess what I'm trying to get is whether I need to just change the monster set or change sharpened front bar to either infused/precise or whether I need to get juli.. I think I need to get juli 5 piece..

Set I use:

5 x necro, divines
2 x ilambris, divines
4 piece moondaner, incl. Sharpened moondancer staff
back bar - random sharpened staff, I have maelstrom inferno infused/precise... Not sure if I should still use a random precise/nirn/infused lightning sharp? Is inferno any good on the back bar?

Thanks!

Sheva I 7 I · August 2017

supaskrub wrote: »

I'm running a 5x Netch's touch + 5x Spider Cultist and a 1 pc kena, double lightning destro build that gives me more dps than supposed "meta", there is no meta to follow, use a build that suits your playstyle not a top 0.5% youtubers who is very skilled at the game and makes everything look easy peasy.

Exactly, spider cultist often is overlooked, but it boosts your heavy and light attacks by staggering 450 spell damage as well as force pulse/clench/wall of elements. For Maelstrom 5xspider cultist+5x elegance is a really good heavy attack build and resource management is a joke. Main thing to remember here is 35k dps is enough 4 everything, with all trials buffs that 35k becomes 49-58k dps, 8x dps = 55kx8 = 435k dps a second = rakkhat fight = 70,000,000/435,000 = 160 second fight (2 minutes, 40 seconds thats not even close to Lunar) But how many people can maintain that dps while following mechanics?

Sheva I 7 I · August 2017

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

The only reason I'm asking is because I almost can't be bothered to farm completely different sets, I have had great results with the following build (below) last patch, and I guess what I'm trying to get is whether I need to just change the monster set or change sharpened front bar to either infused/precise or whether I need to get juli.. I think I need to get juli 5 piece..

Set I use:

5 x necro, divines
2 x ilambris, divines
4 piece moondaner, incl. Sharpened moondancer staff
back bar - random sharpened staff, I have maelstrom inferno infused/precise... Not sure if I should still use a random precise/nirn/infused lightning sharp? Is inferno any good on the back bar?

Thanks!

Julianos is a good choice because you can craft infused and nirnhoned staff and not waste 100 hours in trials looking for that infused/precise aether staff that will give you maybe 1k dps increase, (just using it as an example), by the time new patch comes out = it might be obsolete. Once you are hitting 35k (self-buffed applying your own ele) you are ready for any content in the game, now start working on your positioning, survivability, review your group composition (for example off-tank running alkosh+torugs+infused crusher is a great dps booster this patch giving everyone 5-6k penetration) Main tank then can focus on either ulti gen/or his own survivability (in that giving everyone larger shields).

CastaLyron · August 2017

I ended up leaving it exactly like before patch. 5x Juli (for undaunted bonus) + 5x Necro + 1x Ilambris.
I swapped traits on my staves though, not a very serious investment when you can just craft it.

Havn't made any real test for alternative sets yet, even though I got most of the relevant sets banked but not golded.
Mathwise a pet sorc just need a lot of magicka for good pet damage, so it's tough to swap it out. Also there is quite some bonuses to magicka multipliers in this setup, which make any bonus magicka from items quite valuable compared to stacking crit or spell dmg for example.
On a sidenote it is interesting that your mundus stone (and food) don't get the effect of your CP magicka multiplier (+20% at max) in which case spell damage or penetration seem a wiser choice.

Anyway it works for me, but stamina seems to be pulling much better DPS at the moment.

supaskrub · August 2017

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

I'm running a 5x Netch's touch + 5x Spider Cultist and a 1 pc kena, double lightning destro build that gives me more dps than supposed "meta", there is no meta to follow, use a build that suits your playstyle not a top 0.5% youtubers who is very skilled at the game and makes everything look easy peasy.

Exactly, spider cultist often is overlooked, but it boosts your heavy and light attacks by staggering 450 spell damage as well as force pulse/clench/wall of elements. For Maelstrom 5xspider cultist+5x elegance is a really good heavy attack build and resource management is a joke. Main thing to remember here is 35k dps is enough 4 everything, with all trials buffs that 35k becomes 49-58k dps, 8x dps = 55kx8 = 435k dps a second = rakkhat fight = 70,000,000/435,000 = 160 second fight (2 minutes, 40 seconds thats not even close to Lunar) But how many people can maintain that dps while following mechanics?

Haha, they don't talk about that scenario, we all like massive numbers but even thinking about maintaining them at a 100% uptime is silly when all things are taken into account.

The spider cultist + netch combo hits like a truck i was realy careful about cp allocation as well and because i run 2x precise staffs with shock enchants (cant get my hands on an infused one at the moment) i see huge and consective ticks each pushing 9k each when heavy attacking for magicka sustain and keep in mind this hasn't been run with a healer with spc buff yet either as i have only been running it with friends doing hard mode vet dungeons and our healer is a sorc with a heal/tank build, I've pushed the build as far as i can from my end but i am so looking forward to spc/worm buffs etc...

DarkAedin · August 2017

Psa: put ur illambris away. Use nerie'neth, its 1400 dps vs illambris' new 700 dps

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · August 2017

supaskrub wrote: »

Sheva I 7 I wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

I'm running a 5x Netch's touch + 5x Spider Cultist and a 1 pc kena, double lightning destro build that gives me more dps than supposed "meta", there is no meta to follow, use a build that suits your playstyle not a top 0.5% youtubers who is very skilled at the game and makes everything look easy peasy.

Exactly, spider cultist often is overlooked, but it boosts your heavy and light attacks by staggering 450 spell damage as well as force pulse/clench/wall of elements. For Maelstrom 5xspider cultist+5x elegance is a really good heavy attack build and resource management is a joke. Main thing to remember here is 35k dps is enough 4 everything, with all trials buffs that 35k becomes 49-58k dps, 8x dps = 55kx8 = 435k dps a second = rakkhat fight = 70,000,000/435,000 = 160 second fight (2 minutes, 40 seconds thats not even close to Lunar) But how many people can maintain that dps while following mechanics?

Haha, they don't talk about that scenario, we all like massive numbers but even thinking about maintaining them at a 100% uptime is silly when all things are taken into account.

The spider cultist + netch combo hits like a truck i was realy careful about cp allocation as well and because i run 2x precise staffs with shock enchants (cant get my hands on an infused one at the moment) i see huge and consective ticks each pushing 9k each when heavy attacking for magicka sustain and keep in mind this hasn't been run with a healer with spc buff yet either as i have only been running it with friends doing hard mode vet dungeons and our healer is a sorc with a heal/tank build, I've pushed the build as far as i can from my end but i am so looking forward to spc/worm buffs etc...

On standard:
5 netch
4 moon/IA
VMA staffs,

I see over 13k heavy ticks when solo on dummy (this is in morrowind patch).

Kurkikohtaus · August 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

This is the second post regarding doubt on an Alcast build not sounding right today, its a weird hybrid of wanting meta, not trusting / not wanting to theory craft

Just for the sake of specifics, my quarto so about Alcasts Mystic was not about the build, but about the rotation.

craftycarper73 · August 2017

what mundus to use for sorc now, im running 5 julianos, 5 netch, 1 Ilambris, just really unsure of the mundus stone now.

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

craftycarper73 wrote: »

what mundus to use for sorc now, im running 5 julianos, 5 netch, 1 Ilambris, just really unsure of the mundus stone now.

You going to stick with Ilambris?

Also, would it be good to use 5 julianos & moondancer? 2 monster set pieces?

I can't be bothered farming netchs jewerly xD

Waseem · August 2017

craftycarper73 wrote: »

what mundus to use for sorc now, im running 5 julianos, 5 netch, 1 Ilambris, just really unsure of the mundus stone now.

apprentice is quite good
dont worry too much about mundus tho.. or even gear.. the difference yet is quite minimal and is no longer as it used to be (10% dps dif and such)

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

So I found this which is interesting;

5x Julianos, 4x Moondancer, 2x Monster Set, 1x Maelstrom Staff
5x Julianos, 5x Netche’s Touch, 1x Iceheart (or Kena)
5x Julianos, 5x Mother’s Sorrow, 1x 1x Iceheart (or Kena)
5x Julianos, 4x Moondancer, 1x Kena, 1x Iceheart, 1x Maelstrom Staff
5x Burning Spellweave, 4x Infallible Aether, 2x Grothdarr, 1x Maelstrom Staff
5x Burning Spellweave, 5x Silks of the Sun, 1x Iceheart

..still do'nt know if apprentice & ilambris 2 piece will work...

ricam · August 2017

What about this for a sorc? My trial guild refuses to let me run my pet build and I'm trying to find the best alternative. Not sure which mundus to use.

Willpower
(2 items) Adds 1451 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 193 Spell Damage
Moondancer
(2 Items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 Items) Gain Minor Slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to Dungeon and Trial Monsters by 5%.
Julianos
(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(5 items) Adds 299 Spell Damage

Sheva I 7 I · August 2017

ricam wrote: »

What about this for a sorc? My trial guild refuses to let me run my pet build and I'm trying to find the best alternative. Not sure which mundus to use.

Willpower
(2 items) Adds 1451 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 193 Spell Damage
Moondancer
(2 Items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 Items) Gain Minor Slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to Dungeon and Trial Monsters by 5%.
Julianos
(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(5 items) Adds 299 Spell Damage

Thats 11 items, not a good comp

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

ricam wrote: »

What about this for a sorc? My trial guild refuses to let me run my pet build and I'm trying to find the best alternative. Not sure which mundus to use.

Willpower
(2 items) Adds 1451 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 193 Spell Damage
Moondancer
(2 Items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 Items) Gain Minor Slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to Dungeon and Trial Monsters by 5%.
Julianos
(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(5 items) Adds 299 Spell Damage

Why do they refuse to let you use pet build? Even only using Volatile Familiar?? With the correct gear?

Dymence · August 2017

ricam wrote: »

What about this for a sorc? My trial guild refuses to let me run my pet build and I'm trying to find the best alternative. Not sure which mundus to use.

Willpower
(2 items) Adds 1451 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 193 Spell Damage
Moondancer
(2 Items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 Items) Gain Minor Slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to Dungeon and Trial Monsters by 5%.
Julianos
(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(5 items) Adds 299 Spell Damage

Why does your trial guild refuse to let you run a pet build? It's by far the best available build for a sorc, and there are only few bosses where you can't use it. You don't even use necropotence anymore, just julianos instead, so you don't even need to swap around sets when you can't use it on some bosses.

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

Dymence wrote: »

ricam wrote: »

What about this for a sorc? My trial guild refuses to let me run my pet build and I'm trying to find the best alternative. Not sure which mundus to use.

Willpower
(2 items) Adds 1451 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 193 Spell Damage
Moondancer
(2 Items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 Items) Gain Minor Slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to Dungeon and Trial Monsters by 5%.
Julianos
(2 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(5 items) Adds 299 Spell Damage

Why does your trial guild refuse to let you run a pet build? It's by far the best available build for a sorc, and there are only few bosses where you can't use it. You don't even use necropotence anymore, just julianos instead, so you don't even need to swap around sets when you can't use it on some bosses.

Exactly this, sounds like your guild are silly billies. xD I'd leave them...