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Ok devs, it's time, something clearly stinks...
Wreuntzylla
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It's been clear for a long time that some stam dodge too much. Having 10-15 attacks in a row dodged on a regular basis is inexplicable under the current understanding of dodge chance. Other people doing the same thing with the same build dodge at an expected rate.
I am in PvP right now and every mag sorc I run into is dodging. Some are not even bothering with shields.
Someone rode buy on a horse and dodged 5 ranged attacks... Never stopped, just kept riding.
Something is wrong and it's time to actually look into it.
I am in PvP right now and every mag sorc I run into is dodging. Some are not even bothering with shields.
Someone rode buy on a horse and dodged 5 ranged attacks... Never stopped, just kept riding.
Something is wrong and it's time to actually look into it.
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✭✭Just had another ride by with 50% dodge rate. Also just kept on trucking.
Edit: Might be important to note first 2 arrows hit, next two were dodged. Like they turned something on maybe...Edited by Wreuntzylla on August 26, 2017 9:47PM1 -
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✭✭I need to setup video capture. Guy runs by, casts shuffle twice, dodges two snipes (no dodgeroll mind you) as he gets on his horse and rides out of range.
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✭✭✭✭✭Why I don't PVP reason 4368. The vast majority of people using Cheat Engine to boost their self esteem are PVP players as that crowd tends to be the ones most obsessed with competition as a function of self worth.
Nevermind what having to cheat to get that endorphin rush says about you personally.
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✭✭Why I don't PVP reason 4368. The vast majority of people using Cheat Engine to boost their self esteem are PVP players as that crowd tends to be the ones most obsessed with competition as a function of self worth.
Nevermind what having to cheat to get that endorphin rush says about you personally.
They prolly lie on Tinder, too.
XDThe problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.1 -
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itscompton✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »It's been clear for a long time that some stam dodge too much. Having 10-15 attacks in a row dodged on a regular basis is inexplicable under the current understanding of dodge chance. Other people doing the same thing with the same build dodge at an expected rate.
I am in PvP right now and every mag sorc I run into is dodging. Some are not even bothering with shields.
Someone rode buy on a horse and dodged 5 ranged attacks... Never stopped, just kept riding.
Something is wrong and it's time to actually look into it.
This has actually been going on for quite some time and in fact used to be even worse as far as how many people are using whatever exploit is causing it. I remember at one point it was just about impossible to land an attack on pretty much any stam character I fought. My guess is they patched the old exploit and someone figured out a new one and it's just not known by as many people yet.Edited by itscompton on August 26, 2017 10:29PM1 -
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✭Seemingly infinite stam + miat's is the reason i stopped pvping. It's not about winning or losing, it's just really, really boring fighting people who engage and disengage at will, who also have eyes in the back of their head to roll dodge everything.
It's simply not enjoyable at all to chase people around for hours on end just to see them vanish. When there is no penalty for engaging, since you can disengage whenever the hell you want and dodging from behind, there is almost no risk at all.
I doubt I'm the only person who feels this way, and It's very one-sided gameplay that is just going to end up making a lot of other people quit.Gryphon Heart
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✭✭I'm not one to throw stones, I am on my sniper toon atm which is a cancer build that probably should be adjusted, but right now PvP is just not fun.
ZoS adjusted dodge down by 5% on shuffle after the shuffle bug, and it's far worse now than it was then.1 -
SmellyUnlimited✭✭✭✭And yet, Stam doesn't have the constant hardened wards or sorc wards to continually cast. So what do we have? We can roll around in the dirt for a while.DO. NOT. WIPE. (in game OR out!)5
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✭✭✭✭✭Though I know possible, it's much less frequent on console. Also most console players play on console for the very reason that they don't have to do programming like stuff to play lol2 -
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✭SmellyUnlimited wrote: »And yet, Stam doesn't have the constant hardened wards or sorc wards to continually cast. So what do we have? We can roll around in the dirt for a while.
Getting attacks to miss through using roll dodge isn't the issue, that's legit game play and there are plenty of counters. Casting an ability or using a set that gives Major Evasion and getting 100% miss chance instead of 15% is what this thread is about.
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✭✭itscompton wrote: »SmellyUnlimited wrote: »And yet, Stam doesn't have the constant hardened wards or sorc wards to continually cast. So what do we have? We can roll around in the dirt for a while.
Getting attacks to miss through using roll dodge isn't the issue, that's legit game play and there are plenty of counters. Casting an ability or using a set that gives Major Evasion and getting 100% miss chance instead of 15% is what this thread is about.
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Krayzie✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Though I know possible, it's much less frequent on console. Also most console players play on console for the very reason that they don't have to do programming like stuff to play lol
I was unaware you needed knowledge of programming to play ESO(LOL) on PCI'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.0 -
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✭Why I don't PVP reason 4368. The vast majority of people using Cheat Engine to boost their self esteem are PVP players as that crowd tends to be the ones most obsessed with competition as a function of self worth.
Nevermind what having to cheat to get that endorphin rush says about you personally.
ohhhh, i think this all of the time when listening to "i get 5000 spell damaged unbuffed," guy..."The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"
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Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think we should just be clear though, shuffle in of itself doesnt need a nerf I don think. I once made a post on adjusting shuffle after chasing someone and watching what I assumed was shuffle proc 8 times in a row. However these instances arent common and its possible that 1) there were other sets/abilites involved or 2) there is in fact an exploit. If there is an exploit it needs to be fixed. But in reality, shuffle isnt a super power. In fact I often dont bother running it because I feel like its a playstyle and not necessarily that great. For me at least it doesnt seem to affect my survivability all that much. I think what people perceive as an issue with shuffle is more related to kite builds running shuffle and probably miats pvp alerts along with high regen that can afford to kite nearly infinitely. Overall I dont see shuffle in of itself to be much of an issue, both from the perspective of a stam only player and from the perspective of having to fight people with it. I find shields to be far more annoying than shuffle.4 -
SmellyUnlimited✭✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »itscompton wrote: »SmellyUnlimited wrote: »And yet, Stam doesn't have the constant hardened wards or sorc wards to continually cast. So what do we have? We can roll around in the dirt for a while.
Getting attacks to miss through using roll dodge isn't the issue, that's legit game play and there are plenty of counters. Casting an ability or using a set that gives Major Evasion and getting 100% miss chance instead of 15% is what this thread is about.
Yes. Spot on.
What skill exactly gives 100% dodge chance??DO. NOT. WIPE. (in game OR out!)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SmellyUnlimited wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »itscompton wrote: »SmellyUnlimited wrote: »And yet, Stam doesn't have the constant hardened wards or sorc wards to continually cast. So what do we have? We can roll around in the dirt for a while.
Getting attacks to miss through using roll dodge isn't the issue, that's legit game play and there are plenty of counters. Casting an ability or using a set that gives Major Evasion and getting 100% miss chance instead of 15% is what this thread is about.
Yes. Spot on.
What skill exactly gives 100% dodge chance??
Blessed meridia.
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✭Apathy always wins.
you'll whine, the devs will do nothing, the post will disappear into the abyss of the forums, you'll keep logging in.
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EnglishTea123✭✭✭Uh oh is Hist Bark exploit making a comeback?! Hahaha jk but shacklebreaker and amberplasm together allows a mag sorc to roll dodge and break free without a problem, but dodging while on a horse is somethin' new. But you know what? We can rest assured that it is all working as intended!0
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Kurkikohtaus✭✭✭Devs you need to comment here, even to refute the suspicions or conspiracies, if that's all you think this is.
PVP is a major selling point of the game, a focus of the balance changes you introduce and all that a certain portion of the population cares about. If there is even the PERCEPTION that PVP is taking place on an uneven playing field due to cheating, it is bad for the game.
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revonine✭✭✭✭Only nerf to shuffle I would accept is to not allow it to be used in tandem with heavy armor.
I feel the frustration though, there's nothing worse than someone passively dodging your ultimate. HoTR hasn't hit console yet and I CANNOT WAIT until dawnbreaker is undodgable again.2 -
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✭✭SmellyUnlimited wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »itscompton wrote: »SmellyUnlimited wrote: »And yet, Stam doesn't have the constant hardened wards or sorc wards to continually cast. So what do we have? We can roll around in the dirt for a while.
Getting attacks to miss through using roll dodge isn't the issue, that's legit game play and there are plenty of counters. Casting an ability or using a set that gives Major Evasion and getting 100% miss chance instead of 15% is what this thread is about.
Yes. Spot on.
What skill exactly gives 100% dodge chance??
Blessed meridia.
Folks, this is not about misses. Blessed is a debuff that causes YOU to miss, gives the message "miss" and is not what I am talking about. It isn't even a ping on the radar. Dodge is where the enemy moves out of the way, and is more like a self-buff that gives the message "dodged" on the UI.
If you are on NA PC today you know EXACTLY what folks are talking about. It used to be a handful of players anyone could name and suddenly every other player is doing it.3 -
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✭Sounds like you're not very accurate....
L2PEdited by Wrecking_Blow_Spam on August 27, 2017 7:18AMXbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭lulz - CE has been here from day 0 and prolly will never leave.
I know its a cynical view but I suspect a lot more players use CE than we may think.
Apprently the latest CE Meta is to boost stats by 5-15%, enough to have a winning edge, but not over 'theoretical max'.
e.g. 2500 regen, not 25000.
and notice, how a lot of players who either video or screencap never show us there detailed stats including regen, pen etc?
seems they switch off everything prior to this.
Also, classic CE user technique is to tell you its a L2P issue, its lag, its a bug, its ani cancelling, its running around rocks, its mega weaving... and put the heat back on any1 who questions.
the CE undground even has CE meta builds - lol4 -
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✭✭StackonClown wrote: »...
Also, classic CE user technique is to tell you its a L2P issue, its lag, its a bug, its ani cancelling, its running around rocks, its mega weaving... and put the heat back on any1 who questions.Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »...
L2P
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Though I know possible, it's much less frequent on console. Also most console players play on console for the very reason that they don't have to do programming like stuff to play lol
I was unaware you needed knowledge of programming to play ESO(LOL) on PC
Well I do think you have to put the computer together and download stuff right? I think you took "programming like stuff" too literally.0 -
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✭CE is the real problem many of "pro" players use it its well known now and u just know when somebody is using that... I report but like they will do smt. They are farting infront of forums and laughing at us... We need Battleye...Edited by Malmai on August 27, 2017 9:13AM0 -
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✭Ha ha ha.. PC and PvP cheating. Man, it seems like second nature. Heck, with PvE, I can't even bust pass an enemy add on Rapid with full gallop without getting a swipe or a blast or a bow shot still hitting me.0
