Epona222 wrote: »

So report them in game then.

(Not being flippant, that is the correct way to report someone).

That's so helpful, you should be working for ZOS

Problem is, how can they trace it?
Could say a friend provided them, they most likely have multiple accounts and some stolen accounts of new players that have no idea how to get their account back for example.

Cheaters win in a lot of games these days, look as CSGO for example, how some streamers got away with running hacks I have no idea, some only caught because of a mistake of minimizing while stream is active, if they was not detected without visual on stream, how many others are not detected? Thus I refuse to play that game because of it.

Best bet as Epona222 said, report in game, once said person gets x amount of reports then they will be looked at.
I know no name and shame here but I believe for something like this, name and shame should be overruled so others can report, with evidence though. You could open a ticket with ZoS with the evidence but, again, it is hard to say, they just might be blessed by the RnG gods for all we know or could have scammed unaware players and bought at very low prices.

Many variables and 99% of the time they get away with it, I still think undercover GM's should be present in all zones like in the past, every game server needs real alive people as admins and not rely on this crap automatic system these days. Yeah yeah, time is money.... We all can wish

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

shared bank space, the game is set up to raise/lower mobs based on your level since one tamirel.
Farming isn't hard just time consuming.

It doesn't mean the person is a bot or rmt.

people like you come off as completely new to the mmo genre

stop crying wolf real bots don't engage with the community they sell their stuff through other means to appear normal. Its how they avoid being reported. to really claim bot, you need to watch the, 24/7 and see of it is a script running.

Don't always assume that because some people dedicate their time to farm to get money, don't make them bots.

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

shared bank space, the game is set up to raise/lower mobs based on your level since one tamirel.
Farming isn't hard just time consuming.

It doesn't mean the person is a bot or rmt.

people like you come off as completely new to the mmo genre

stop crying wolf real bots don't engage with the community they sell their stuff through other means to appear normal. Its how they avoid being reported. to really claim bot, you need to watch the, 24/7 and see of it is a script running.

Don't always assume that because some people dedicate their time to farm to get money, don't make them bots.

And there it is.

Sorry ol' boy. Not new to this kind of thing.

Broken Chinese to English via Google Translate
Gamer ID: ktzvbbbrbb
Gamer trophies: 1

Totally an alt with shared bank space. Right?

'"Want to sell many finery Nirncrux buy now fun time special wow, 3000 gold!"

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

shared bank space, the game is set up to raise/lower mobs based on your level since one tamirel.
Farming isn't hard just time consuming.

It doesn't mean the person is a bot or rmt.

people like you come off as completely new to the mmo genre

stop crying wolf real bots don't engage with the community they sell their stuff through other means to appear normal. Its how they avoid being reported. to really claim bot, you need to watch the, 24/7 and see of it is a script running.

Don't always assume that because some people dedicate their time to farm to get money, don't make them bots.

And there it is.

Sorry ol' boy. Not new to this kind of thing.

Broken Chinese to English via Google Translate
Gamer ID: ktzvbbbrbb
Gamer trophies: 1

Totally an alt with shared bank space. Right?

'"Want to sell many finery Nirncrux buy now fun time special wow, 3000 gold!"

then mention that part. lol, seems most posts in here come off as "new to mmo" and jealous people got more time to farm.
(ima girl btw not a boy lol) Mention the rmt/account stuff not the "they farmed 3000 items" part. I knew ppl in ff11 who would farm crystals just to sell. we talking 10 hr farming session, and people would cry bot even though it was a ps2 player.

kinda gets old when ppl cry wolf like that.

I don't know about FF11, but I'll say this. I've farmed quite extensively over the last two years. I've ran across probably 50 or so Potent Nirncrux and 3 Atherial Dust.

I call BS is many cases where someone miraculously has 1,000 for sale.

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

shared bank space, the game is set up to raise/lower mobs based on your level since one tamirel.
Farming isn't hard just time consuming.

It doesn't mean the person is a bot or rmt.

people like you come off as completely new to the mmo genre

stop crying wolf real bots don't engage with the community they sell their stuff through other means to appear normal. Its how they avoid being reported. to really claim bot, you need to watch the, 24/7 and see of it is a script running.

Don't always assume that because some people dedicate their time to farm to get money, don't make them bots.

And there it is.

Sorry ol' boy. Not new to this kind of thing.

Broken Chinese to English via Google Translate
Gamer ID: ktzvbbbrbb
Gamer trophies: 1

Totally an alt with shared bank space. Right?

'"Want to sell many finery Nirncrux buy now fun time special wow, 3000 gold!"

then mention that part. lol, seems most posts in here come off as "new to mmo" and jealous people got more time to farm.
(ima girl btw not a boy lol) Mention the rmt/account stuff not the "they farmed 3000 items" part. I knew ppl in ff11 who would farm crystals just to sell. we talking 10 hr farming session, and people would cry bot even though it was a ps2 player.

kinda gets old when ppl cry wolf like that.

I don't know about FF11, but I'll say this. I've farmed quite extensively over the last two years. I've ran across probably 50 or so Potent Nirncrux and 3 Atherial Dust.

I call BS is many cases where someone miraculously has 1,000 for sale.

This

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

shared bank space, the game is set up to raise/lower mobs based on your level since one tamirel.
Farming isn't hard just time consuming.

It doesn't mean the person is a bot or rmt.

people like you come off as completely new to the mmo genre

stop crying wolf real bots don't engage with the community they sell their stuff through other means to appear normal. Its how they avoid being reported. to really claim bot, you need to watch the, 24/7 and see of it is a script running.

Don't always assume that because some people dedicate their time to farm to get money, don't make them bots.

No you are obviously new yourself and clearly don't care about the community! If you had any clue what so ever you would know the game well enough to know that you don't suddenly aquire 2500 wax and start selling in bulk!! Or are you able to farm that amount in a short amount of time!?!

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

shared bank space, the game is set up to raise/lower mobs based on your level since one tamirel.
Farming isn't hard just time consuming.

It doesn't mean the person is a bot or rmt.

people like you come off as completely new to the mmo genre

stop crying wolf real bots don't engage with the community they sell their stuff through other means to appear normal. Its how they avoid being reported. to really claim bot, you need to watch the, 24/7 and see of it is a script running.

Don't always assume that because some people dedicate their time to farm to get money, don't make them bots.

And there it is.

Sorry ol' boy. Not new to this kind of thing.

Broken Chinese to English via Google Translate
Gamer ID: ktzvbbbrbb
Gamer trophies: 1

Totally an alt with shared bank space. Right?

'"Want to sell many finery Nirncrux buy now fun time special wow, 3000 gold!"

then mention that part. lol, seems most posts in here come off as "new to mmo" and jealous people got more time to farm.
(ima girl btw not a boy lol) Mention the rmt/account stuff not the "they farmed 3000 items" part. I knew ppl in ff11 who would farm crystals just to sell. we talking 10 hr farming session, and people would cry bot even though it was a ps2 player.

kinda gets old when ppl cry wolf like that.

How long exactly would you think that it would take to farm 2500 wax Lady? I have 850cp I have 6 master crafters and farm extensively, in fact I refined 4300 rubedo leather this morning and got the grand total of 23 wax, so how much farming and refining would I have to do to get 2500? I think some people should think before they write something cause you may be a woman but do not come across as a very clever one! Maybe you have spent too much time playing mmo's and lost touch with reality lol:)

Robisok74 wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

shared bank space, the game is set up to raise/lower mobs based on your level since one tamirel.
Farming isn't hard just time consuming.

It doesn't mean the person is a bot or rmt.

people like you come off as completely new to the mmo genre

stop crying wolf real bots don't engage with the community they sell their stuff through other means to appear normal. Its how they avoid being reported. to really claim bot, you need to watch the, 24/7 and see of it is a script running.

Don't always assume that because some people dedicate their time to farm to get money, don't make them bots.

And there it is.

Sorry ol' boy. Not new to this kind of thing.

Broken Chinese to English via Google Translate
Gamer ID: ktzvbbbrbb
Gamer trophies: 1

Totally an alt with shared bank space. Right?

'"Want to sell many finery Nirncrux buy now fun time special wow, 3000 gold!"

then mention that part. lol, seems most posts in here come off as "new to mmo" and jealous people got more time to farm.
(ima girl btw not a boy lol) Mention the rmt/account stuff not the "they farmed 3000 items" part. I knew ppl in ff11 who would farm crystals just to sell. we talking 10 hr farming session, and people would cry bot even though it was a ps2 player.

kinda gets old when ppl cry wolf like that.

How long exactly would you think that it would take to farm 2500 wax Lady? I have 850cp I have 6 master crafters and farm extensively, in fact I refined 4300 rubedo leather this morning and got the grand total of 23 wax, so how much farming and refining would I have to do to get 2500? I think some people should think before they write something cause you may be a woman but do not come across as a very clever one! Maybe you have spent too much time playing mmo's and lost touch with reality lol:)

Has it maybe occured to you in your zealously that this person who claims to "control the market" has actually bought that many dreugh wax to increase the price? Like shortly before a major patch that naturally increases demand for that kind of item? I've seen players with 100 million in the bank that could easily do that and it isn't unsual to see it in MMOs. Some see the game as a stock broker simulation and go through it buying and selling instead of grinding and farming.
In either case this forum won't be able to help you, except if your intention is to raise an angry mob. Why not just report it to the proper channels and let them deal with it? (Wait, I know the answer; you don't believe they will, because everyone is blind except for you)

FoolishHuman wrote: »

Robisok74 wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

shared bank space, the game is set up to raise/lower mobs based on your level since one tamirel.
Farming isn't hard just time consuming.

It doesn't mean the person is a bot or rmt.

people like you come off as completely new to the mmo genre

stop crying wolf real bots don't engage with the community they sell their stuff through other means to appear normal. Its how they avoid being reported. to really claim bot, you need to watch the, 24/7 and see of it is a script running.

Don't always assume that because some people dedicate their time to farm to get money, don't make them bots.

And there it is.

Sorry ol' boy. Not new to this kind of thing.

Broken Chinese to English via Google Translate
Gamer ID: ktzvbbbrbb
Gamer trophies: 1

Totally an alt with shared bank space. Right?

'"Want to sell many finery Nirncrux buy now fun time special wow, 3000 gold!"

then mention that part. lol, seems most posts in here come off as "new to mmo" and jealous people got more time to farm.
(ima girl btw not a boy lol) Mention the rmt/account stuff not the "they farmed 3000 items" part. I knew ppl in ff11 who would farm crystals just to sell. we talking 10 hr farming session, and people would cry bot even though it was a ps2 player.

kinda gets old when ppl cry wolf like that.

How long exactly would you think that it would take to farm 2500 wax Lady? I have 850cp I have 6 master crafters and farm extensively, in fact I refined 4300 rubedo leather this morning and got the grand total of 23 wax, so how much farming and refining would I have to do to get 2500? I think some people should think before they write something cause you may be a woman but do not come across as a very clever one! Maybe you have spent too much time playing mmo's and lost touch with reality lol:)

Has it maybe occured to you in your zealously that this person who claims to "control the market" has actually bought that many dreugh wax to increase the price? Like shortly before a major patch that naturally increases demand for that kind of item? I've seen players with 100 million in the bank that could easily do that and it isn't unsual to see it in MMOs. Some see the game as a stock broker simulation and go through it buying and selling instead of grinding and farming.
In either case this forum won't be able to help you, except if your intention is to raise an angry mob. Why not just report it to the proper channels and let them deal with it? (Wait, I know the answer; you don't believe they will, because everyone is blind except for you)

Foolish human about sums up your comment, just move on will you lol:)

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Queue up the botters/gold seller defenders in 3....2....1.

How do you know they blah blah blah.

Yes. Perfectly normal for a level 3 to have 600 potent Nirncrux.

While I don't want to defend botters and gold sellers, all too often people assume that something is not possible and use that as a club to beat on an issue. That runs the risk of catching innocent people in an imaginary trap. People need to be careful when the construct a logical test for cheating to ensure that only someone who is cheating can get caught... not just that most of the people caught are cheating.

Perfectly normal? No. Not because of the Level 3, but because of the 600 Potent Nirncrux. If a Level 50 character can be talking about that many Potent Nirncrux, then a Level 3 on the same account can do it, too. Character level is meaningless and should not be used to determine how long the player has been playing the account.

It is the 600 Potent Nircrux that raises eyebrows, and it does not matter whether it is a Level 3 or a Level 50 CP 2400 that is offering it. That is not to say that the Level 50 CP 2400 might not have that many, mind you. I question whether they could farm it and also get to CP 2400, since that is a long and boring road, but it can certainly happen that they have that many, and without cheating.

I am very sensitive to cheating, particularly the farmers who run bots. You can go look at my prior comments on the subject. Still, when I read the OP, I did not see any way to tell whether they were actually cheating, or not. Report them? Certainly. Declare that they are definitely cheating, or selling Gold, or anything else against the ToS? No.

SirAndy wrote: »

Demolitionary wrote: »

Problem is, how can they trace it?

By looking at the logs?

Quite easy. I used to do that quite a bit when I worked as a GM for another game. I was able to trace a "lost" item that a person reported and let them know I wasn't going to replace it.

Person A reports a super-rare epic item mysteriously "vanished" when he logged in.

I check logs....
Person A dropped item
Person B picked up item and sold to vendor
Person C purchased item and placed in crafting station
Person B removed item from crafting container and still had item in inventory.

Person A does not get item reimbursed.