balance is imo the best since i've started to play eso

Trashs1 · August 2017

i wanted to point this out!

this forum is so full of whine traids it hurt my eyes. many of the including facts are from the last meta or even the homestead time or just false / l2p.

i play a lot of pvp and consider myself as a slightley above average player and i do play several different classes. balance has never been that good since i started to play eso (early homestead)

plz zos dont hear to all the whine and keep going the nice balancing work! (just rebuff crit a little bit^^)

thx for reading.

WaltherCarraway · August 2017

People still complaining permablock are just hilarious.

Beardimus · August 2017

People complaining about Sorcs are just hilarious

Navoric_Envaldreth · August 2017

Do have to agree that so far ive found the pvp-balance to be the closest its been for quite a while, if not since alpha XD

casparian · August 2017

Balance is great in PVP.

It's pretty good in PVE. It's nice to see crafted set + trial set as BiS for stam DPS, and nice to see that a good raid group will need to bring stam players wearing different sets (Sunderflame, NMG, etc.). Really disappointed to see magblade DPS nerfed again, but maybe in next update... The main thing that needs to happen for PVE balance is to make staff heavy attacks as painless as dual wield heavies -- or, make all mag builds like magblade, who hardly ever needs to heavy attack (you know, like it was before Morrowind).

Destruent · August 2017

casparian wrote: »

Balance is great in PVP.

It's pretty good in PVE. It's nice to see crafted set + trial set as BiS for stam DPS, and nice to see that a good raid group will need to bring stam players wearing different sets (Sunderflame, NMG, etc.). Really disappointed to see magblade DPS nerfed again, but maybe in next update... The main thing that needs to happen for PVE balance is to make staff heavy attacks as painless as dual wield heavies -- or, make all mag builds like magblade, who hardly ever needs to heavy attack (you know, like it was before Morrowind).

Pve-wise balance was imo better before one tamriel, all stam and magicka builds (except nightblades) were viable. Now it's more or less stamina (mostly stamdk) and 4 magsorcs.
But I agree on your part with support sets, there should be something similar for magicka

Takes-No-Prisoner · August 2017

Timeraider wrote: »

Do have to agree that so far ive found the pvp-balance to be the closest its been for quite a while, if not since alpha XD

It is. It's the closest it has been for awhile now.

Durham · August 2017

Not sure I agree if you play magicka then yes balance would appear great .. But stam nerfs have been to severe keep in mind im not talking about stam blades...

STAMPLARS see very few ... Magplars vast majority
Stam Sorc see much less almost 3 to 1 then Mag Sorcs
Stam DKs I would say about 20% of the DK pop is stam atm magicka clearly is the most played...
Even the new warden class there are many more mag wardens in PVP groups then stam...

PVP is more magicka then it has been since release with the vast majority of stam players playing mostly the stamblade.. My small man group was at one time all stam with a healer now we are 3 magicka 1 stam atm... why magicka has better synergy with groups..

There are more stam blades then magickablades however not in groups...

Most groups use only 1 stam class and that preferably a stam sorc for an extra negate and rapids...

I would not really call this balance ... if you say stam solos better that s no longer true... If you stam excels in small groups yes they do much better in smaller groups but they are no better then magicka

As a stam player I think it has definitely shifted back to magicka the way it was 2 years ago..

Durham · August 2017

Let me also ask you this question ?
IF you had a small group let's forget about large group stam is dead in those...unless in the pug zerg..
Let's say your players are of = ability good solid players
Stam DK or Magicka DK - mag DK wins here
Stam Temp or Mag Temp - mag Temp no question
Stam Sorc or Mag Sorc - I like mag sorc but here is a close one imo ...
Stam warden Magicka Warden- I like the mag version better...
Stam blade or Magblade - in groups the Magblade solo both are strong ...

IF you were building a group why would you choose stam over magicka builds?

Destruent · August 2017

Durham wrote: »

Let me also ask you this question ?
IF you had a small group let's forget about large group stam is dead in those...unless in the pug zerg..
Let's say your players are of = ability good solid players
Stam DK or Magicka DK - mag DK wins here
Stam Temp or Mag Temp - mag Temp no question
Stam Sorc or Mag Sorc - I like mag sorc but here is a close one imo ...
Stam warden Magicka Warden- I like the mag version better...
Stam blade or Magblade - in groups the Magblade solo both are strong ...

IF you were building a group why would you choose stam over magicka builds?

The question is not really what you'd choose...it's rather about the difference in performance between those two.
Seems like for warden, sorc and nightblade the difference is pretty small and Stamplar and dk lack some group utility. Sounds atleast a lot better than in pve

capper123 · August 2017

players worked there butts off 3 yrs are now the same as someone playing 3 months, yea real balanced.

Lokey0024 · August 2017

I agree. 1v1 fights are not horribly unbalanced. Groups, not so much.

Durham · August 2017

Destruent wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Let me also ask you this question ?
IF you had a small group let's forget about large group stam is dead in those...unless in the pug zerg..
Let's say your players are of = ability good solid players
Stam DK or Magicka DK - mag DK wins here
Stam Temp or Mag Temp - mag Temp no question
Stam Sorc or Mag Sorc - I like mag sorc but here is a close one imo ...
Stam warden Magicka Warden- I like the mag version better...
Stam blade or Magblade - in groups the Magblade solo both are strong ...

IF you were building a group why would you choose stam over magicka builds?

The question is not really what you'd choose...it's rather about the difference in performance between those two.
Seems like for warden, sorc and nightblade the difference is pretty small and Stamplar and dk lack some group utility. Sounds atleast a lot better than in pve

In solo yes ... in groups no ...all three of the classes you mentioned the magicka version is better...

IcyDeadPeople · August 2017

Overall class balance will never be perfect, but it is currently a lot better than it was at launch. You can roll a quite viable character for PVE or PVP from any class and either stam or magicka build. If it had been this good at launch I suspect we might have retained a larger player base.

I suppose it is a bit like a pendulum which swings back and forth in response to player feedback and testing - most balanced period for stam vs magicka overall was perhaps about a month or two after 1.6, when stam was quite strong, but dodge roll got the penalty for multiple dodge in a row.

At that time however, mag DK was having a lot of trouble, stam sorc was just beginning to become viable, jesus beam was overpowered compared to similar ultimate (soul assault) and there were some issues with nirnhoned staves and nirnhoned armor overperforming. Unfortunately, nirnhoned armor trait was subsequently nerfed to the point of becoming almost useless considering the rarity/cost.

Racial balance right now is better than it has ever been. Weapon and armor traits are in a pretty good spot. Heavy armor still a little too strong compared to light and medium, but closer to balance than it was during the year prior to Morrowind update. In contrast at launch, heavy armor was too weak, as you could be more tanky with light armor and immovable and deal higher damage at the same time.

Solariken · August 2017

capper123 wrote: »

players worked there butts off 3 yrs are now the same as someone playing 3 months, yea real balanced.

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Solariken · August 2017

Agreed, PvP is more balanced than ever IMO. There are just a few outliers that could nerfed/buffed gently but yes overall ZOS has been doing well on this front.

Destruent · August 2017

Durham wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Let me also ask you this question ?
IF you had a small group let's forget about large group stam is dead in those...unless in the pug zerg..
Let's say your players are of = ability good solid players
Stam DK or Magicka DK - mag DK wins here
Stam Temp or Mag Temp - mag Temp no question
Stam Sorc or Mag Sorc - I like mag sorc but here is a close one imo ...
Stam warden Magicka Warden- I like the mag version better...
Stam blade or Magblade - in groups the Magblade solo both are strong ...

IF you were building a group why would you choose stam over magicka builds?

The question is not really what you'd choose...it's rather about the difference in performance between those two.
Seems like for warden, sorc and nightblade the difference is pretty small and Stamplar and dk lack some group utility. Sounds atleast a lot better than in pve

In solo yes ... in groups no ...all three of the classes you mentioned the magicka version is better...

You will never have both setups perform equally...you can just close the distance...

leepalmer95 · August 2017

Durham wrote: »

Let me also ask you this question ?
IF you had a small group let's forget about large group stam is dead in those...unless in the pug zerg..
Let's say your players are of = ability good solid players
Stam DK or Magicka DK - mag DK wins here
Stam Temp or Mag Temp - mag Temp no question
Stam Sorc or Mag Sorc - I like mag sorc but here is a close one imo ...
Stam warden Magicka Warden- I like the mag version better...
Stam blade or Magblade - in groups the Magblade solo both are strong ...

IF you were building a group why would you choose stam over magicka builds?

Last me ask you a question for solo or duo.

Stam dk or mag dk - Stam dk is better in that situation.
Stam temp or mag temp - Both aren't bad solo or duo but stamplar has it better.
Stam sorc or mag sorc - Both are pretty good, likely mag sorc tbh it's easier.
Stam warden or mag warden - Stam for solo or duo.
Stam blade or mag blade - Stam blade by far for solo/ duo.

Not saying the mag version are bad solo but stamina is just better because shuffle and dodge role scale a lot better when your outnumbered. Plus they can move about and relocate more.

Takes-No-Prisoner · August 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam temp or mag temp - Both aren't bad solo or duo but stamplar has it better.

I am curious on what your thoughts are in relation to this comment.

leepalmer95 · August 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam temp or mag temp - Both aren't bad solo or duo but stamplar has it better.

I am curious on what your thoughts are in relation to this comment.

A magplar taking damage can't do too much, it's only mobility is mist form which punishes it by costing a lot and stopping regen and you still take dmg in it.

A stamplar has shuffle and dodge roll which work a lot better than holding block and spamming breath. They also have a good ult in the form of dawnbreaker which is instant high dmg that cc's. Magplar don't have access to a good instant ult.

Takes-No-Prisoner · August 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam temp or mag temp - Both aren't bad solo or duo but stamplar has it better.

I am curious on what your thoughts are in relation to this comment.

A magplar taking damage can't do too much, it's only mobility is mist form which punishes it by costing a lot and stopping regen and you still take dmg in it.

A stamplar has shuffle and dodge roll which work a lot better than holding block and spamming breath. They also have a good ult in the form of dawnbreaker which is instant high dmg that cc's. Magplar don't have access to a good instant ult.

Ah, on my Magplar, while I made her a vampire recently, I haven't really played it much so my experience with using Mist Form is very little. Didn't realize how expensive it is to cast.

I see what you're saying about BoL, I had an experience a couple of days ago that describes the type of situation you are referring to in your first statement about Magplar taking damage. They kind of just spin their wheels if they get caught pressing BoL over and over.

leepalmer95 · August 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam temp or mag temp - Both aren't bad solo or duo but stamplar has it better.

I am curious on what your thoughts are in relation to this comment.

A magplar taking damage can't do too much, it's only mobility is mist form which punishes it by costing a lot and stopping regen and you still take dmg in it.

A stamplar has shuffle and dodge roll which work a lot better than holding block and spamming breath. They also have a good ult in the form of dawnbreaker which is instant high dmg that cc's. Magplar don't have access to a good instant ult.

Ah, on my Magplar, while I made her a vampire recently, I haven't really played it much so my experience with using Mist Form is very little. Didn't realize how expensive it is to cast.

I see what you're saying about BoL, I had an experience a couple of days ago that describes the type of situation you are referring to in your first statement about Magplar taking damage. They kind of just spin their wheels if they get caught pressing BoL over and over.

Yeah they really can't go on the offensive if they're taking too much dmg in solo/ duo.

But in a group magplars are very strong and annoying. Nothing worse that a magplar heavy group cross healing eachother.

Minno · August 2017

capper123 wrote: »

players worked there butts off 3 yrs are now the same as someone playing 3 months, yea real balanced.

It's not how long or hard you work, it's how smart you do.

Plus it's a game, you know a hobby you play for an hour or two at a time not for an intense 24 hours that will give you a 7% raise or overtime benefits.

bubbygink · August 2017

Agreed. It isn't perfect, and never will be, but it seems like every class, magicka or stamina, is very viable right now.

Takes-No-Prisoner · August 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam temp or mag temp - Both aren't bad solo or duo but stamplar has it better.

I am curious on what your thoughts are in relation to this comment.

A magplar taking damage can't do too much, it's only mobility is mist form which punishes it by costing a lot and stopping regen and you still take dmg in it.

A stamplar has shuffle and dodge roll which work a lot better than holding block and spamming breath. They also have a good ult in the form of dawnbreaker which is instant high dmg that cc's. Magplar don't have access to a good instant ult.

Ah, on my Magplar, while I made her a vampire recently, I haven't really played it much so my experience with using Mist Form is very little. Didn't realize how expensive it is to cast.

I see what you're saying about BoL, I had an experience a couple of days ago that describes the type of situation you are referring to in your first statement about Magplar taking damage. They kind of just spin their wheels if they get caught pressing BoL over and over.

Yeah they really can't go on the offensive if they're taking too much dmg in solo/ duo.

But in a group magplars are very strong and annoying. Nothing worse that a magplar heavy group cross healing eachother.

I was actually fighting next to a magplar last night. He might of been grouped, but what started as a 2v10 fight, turned into a 5v10 fight when some of his buddies slowly showed up and we all pushed the outer tower together. Ended up saving Alessia because of the 5 of us causing a large distraction for the EP force trying to take over the keep. Battle took around an hour with DC showing up later.

We kinda just played off our strengths as we were pushing though. So if he ever got focused, I was focusing the enemy back very quickly with PoTL marks and jabs. Was kinda awesome to be apart of that. Reminds me of what PvP is all about.

thankyourat · August 2017

I actually think the balance is a little off right now in favor of magicka. For 1v1 magicka builds are pretty dominant right now. It's to the point where you shouldn't lose to a stamina build as a magicka build this patch. Magicka builds also dominate raids. The only place stam builds are more viable is solo play and Its not by much. The reason being is dodge roll is pretty weak now. It really doesn't scale as well as people seem to think. Because high damage aoe is dominant is cyrodill magicka builds can survive it and stamina builds can't, and magicka builds just scale very good with cp. the stamina playstyle has become very niche. No cp and battle grounds i feel is a different story however. stamina builds perform very well here, and the balance between mag and stam feels alot better.

Sylosi · August 2017

The term balance really shouldn't be uttered in the same breath as ESO PvP.

You have a game that has two completely different PvP modes (BG + Cyrodil), then within Cyrodil especially you have numerous different types of play mega zergs, guild raids, small group, solo, 1vx, duels, etc), so yeah best of luck "balancing" for all those at once.

Then you have that balance is completely compromised by them trying to balance for both PvP & PvE.

Then you have that the difference in stats between characters this game is pretty high with different gear, CP, etc. (hint- balanced games don't have this ***, because they want it about skill not grinding).

Adding to that you have that balance patches only occur infrequently, guess what in other games that take gameplay, balance, etc more seriously you get a balance patch every month, in some games you also get a minor patches at the two week intervals also.

If you think there is anything but a farcical level of balance in this game, then well...

KingJ · August 2017

Well meduim armor sucks balls in Pvp and only stamblades can really run it because of all the undodgable attacks but yea things are balanced when one armor type basically unusable.

AAbrigo · August 2017

It is balanced when you all, cant agree on if stamina or magicka is the best.

Balanced!