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PAYING FOR MAW CLEARS FOR SKINS/LOOT

  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    I think it's ultimately a moot point. It's been over a year since that skin had any real status associated with it. Back when it was a rare thing to see, groups simply weren't selling them because they werent able to carry someone that could not contribute. You did hear of a few early sales for 7 figures, or the hilarious videos of some PVP streamers like Fengrush (who can certainly handle himself in PVE) being carried through, but it was not widespread.

    Now everyone and their mom can get the skin with a little effort. Good groups can certainly 10 man that place and have 2 people twiddling their thumbs in the corner. If they want to divide a few hundred K between 10 people, I really could care less.
  • StrawberryKitsune
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    How much is this going for ? For you know educational purposes

    About 100k for each person involved in the carry

    You wouldn't happen to know where one might purchase sucg services...you know...for educational purposes. :p

    This one jests...but seriously?
  • OC_Justice
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    In Lotro, once our kin got the raids down and had most of our gear, we would grab 1 or 2 random people and just run them through and then give them all the legendary weapons and gear tokens. Our philosophy was better to have real friends then fake money.
  • ComboBreaker88
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    All you care about some skin?

    Here ZOS dropped nerf bomb on HOTR Patch

    If everything gets nerfed, nothing gets nerfed..
  • Ghost-Shot
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    Top guilds selling raid clears is standard in all MMOs, nothing wrong with it.
  • Nelson_Rebel
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    jlboozer wrote: »
    It's fine


    But at this point I have no regard for
    anyone with the skin. There have been so many exploits with MAW that it's literally impossible to tell if they earned it or not. I've kicked people with the skin in my groups because they had no idea how some mechanics work in some trials I did. lol just got so annoyed with them gloating about their skin and dying and making excuses that I don't care about skins anymore. It's just luck/rng/ exploits now.

    I've seen cp 200 with it and there's no way they had enough gold or skill to complete maw. They didn't even have a monster set. Very clear how they got it. Lol

    At 200cp I was already sitting at 5 million gold...just because you didn't doesn't mean other people can't.

    Cool you want a cookie?
  • BlazingDynamo
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    vHoF are now being sold for 6mil on PS4 NA. Sweet deal.
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    vHoF are now being sold for 6mil on PS4 NA. Sweet deal.

    That's a lot. Pretty sure our group could carry one person if he at least knew his hand from his ass. I would assume that anyone with 6 million gold has at least been around the block.

    @hedna123b14_ESO Let's get paid. Haha

    Edit: Why anyone would pay for that skin is beyond me. It's Ugly AF. It looks like you were born bright gold and suffer from Vitiligo.
    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on August 14, 2017 10:07PM
  • Myyth
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    I've got 2 [Bananas]
    Hown many runs will that get me?
  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    vHoF are now being sold for 6mil on PS4 NA. Sweet deal.

    That's a lot. Pretty sure our group could carry one person if he at least knew his hand from his ass. I would assume that anyone with 6 million gold has at least been around the block.

    @hedna123b14_ESO Let's get paid. Haha

    Edit: Why anyone would pay for that skin is beyond me. It's Ugly AF. It looks like you were born bright gold and suffer from Vitiligo.

    lol
  • Shadzilla
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    vHoF are now being sold for 6mil on PS4 NA. Sweet deal.

    Lawl.
  • Danksta
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    vHoF are now being sold for 6mil on PS4 NA. Sweet deal.

    That's funny considering there's only about 120 toons (some players have several) on the leaderboards. I wonder how many have cleared it without being carried.
    BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA

  • Ratzkifal
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    From a roleplaying perspective this is totally legitimate. You hire mercenaries to keep your noble ass afloat and later take all the credit for it.
    From a (poor) completionist's perspective, who might be struggling to do it, I can understand that it seems unfair other people with "no skill" get to enjoy these cool rewards by getting themselves carried. However I personally think that obtaining large amounts of money in this game also requires skills, just a different set of skills.
    If I was good enough to do these dungeons on my own however, I wouldn't carry strangers through these dungeons as it would inflate the prestige of my achievement.
    Edited by Ratzkifal on August 17, 2017 11:11PM
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  • Shadzilla
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    From a roleplaying perspective this is totally legitimate. You hire mercenaries to keep your noble ass afloat and later take all the credit for it.
    From a (poor) completionist's perspective, who might be struggling to do it, I can understand that it seems unfair other people with "no skill" get to enjoy these cool rewards by getting themselves carried. However I personally think that obtaining large amounts of money in this game also requires skills, just a different set of skills.
    If I was good enough to do these dungeons on my own however, I wouldn't carry strangers through these dungeons as it would inflate the prestige of my achievement.

    Completely agree.
  • Berret
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    I didn't know that people sold runs, then again I have no gold but I really want that skin!
  • Minyassa
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    I don't see a problem with it. Not all content in the game is going to be something someone finds fun, but if they want a cosmetic and it's just a matter of getting an obnoxious chore out of the way, why not? There are a lot of things I wish I could pay someone to float me through just to unlock or find cosmetics, I just don't have the money yet. xD
  • ZiRM
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    I don't see a problem with it. If it's not against the rules why do people care what others do.
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  • StrawberryKitsune
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    I am legit getting to the point of paying for a run. Can't find a progress group that fits with my work schedule (as much as I'd love to play all day, my days of being a student are over and I have little kitten mouths to feed and bills to pay) and one that does regular dedicated runs of Maw. I just want the skin. I think it is the only skin (in my opinion) that actually looks worthwhile.

    As good as it was for the experience, I'm also getting really bored of running the Craglorn trials over and over when I am able to join in. Seems paying may be my only option at this point. :(
  • Gargath
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    Paying is the worst option in my opinion. Much better is to join a guild with people offering help, who can learn how to properly do the trials, for free. Guildies do not pay to other guildies for the trial runs. There are many such guilds with social friendly and experienced players, who do the trials on the frequent basis and always invite people just to show and learn newbies how to do it correctly. My first trials were just this way, I joined Runners and was invited to my first trial, after 2-3 runs I new what to do and was aware of the mechanics.
    In similar way are now done the events in Priests, experienced players invite inexperienced to show them the trial and learn as a group. It's also the way in which people tighten the bonds and make new friends.
    There is no option I make new friends by paying people to pull me for entire trial just for the loot.
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  • Logicbomb00
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    IMO it cheapens the skin. I don't care who wears the skin anymore, you'll get no kudos from me. How the hell do I know if you earned or paid for it. If people want to devalue their achievements by [snip] them out for gold that's their decision. you'll just appear like a piece of trash who paid for it. whether you earned it or not.

    [Edited for inappropriate language]
    Edited by ZOS_Mika on September 4, 2017 3:32PM
  • davey1107
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    MMOs rely on an active economy in order to remain viable...and providing services as well as goods is an essential part of the economy.

    I have made millions off armor sales. I am good at buying mats, making desirable sets, then listing and selling them. My profits are above the cost I've put into the items...obviously...and I set them at a level I find reasonable, but not gouging. I profit about $2k per piece...which is pretty slim on c160 purple gear considering the cost that goes into it.

    The way an economy works, if i price too high others will step in to offer the same thing for cheaper, forcing me to drop prices or leave the market. If it's too low, I'm supposed to be clever enough to figure that out and raise prices. The rarity of my good/service in relation to demand dictate the prices.

    Carries are no different. A service is being provided that has a value to the buyer, and sellers are free to set prices and compete. Where one might lodge a complaint is that there's no official storefront, so it's hard for a customer to shop. But we have the forums, other websites, text chat, guilds...so a customer isn't completely blacked out.

    One issue is that if ZOS tried to regulate the behavior by prohibiting it, economics and history tell us that things would get much, much worse for the customer. Right now if someone price gouges, others can step in and offer a lower price. If the item was prohibited...think a commodity like illegal drugs...the good moves to a black market where there's no competition, no regulation, and prices skyrocket. You'd go from open exchanges to things like people being asked to deposit $5 million in shady guild bank / bot toons that could disappear on the customer.

    The carries are fair business practice, and whether overpriced or not there's no ethical argument against them. We ask thing question about items for sale in the real world all the time, and I can't find a case where the reasons we choose to prohibit a real world item would apply to this behavior. There are no digital STDs, so carry prostitution is a-okay, lol.
  • Ashtaris
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    Wow, I'm truly surprised by the number of people who think this is OK, basically a "Pay To Win", except in this case using in-game gold. Boy, how those same people whould howl if you could buy the same achievements, skins, etc. in the crown store :) Really, if you want to carry them, then do so at no charge. Or if you do want to charge them, then do so for training, taking the time to help them get through the harder content so they can do it on their own next time.
  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    Its called "Mercenary Service" and this one proudly sell his on PC/EU, if you not good enough, you can pay someone to do your ***, the only thing that matters...is the price, tougher jobs higher prices...crappy jobs lower cost, you need, we provide. Mercs4Life
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  • Bouldercleave
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    IMO it cheapens the skin. I don't care who wears the skin anymore, you'll get no kudos from me. How the hell do I know if you earned or paid for it. If people want to devalue their achievements by [snip] them out for gold that's their decision. you'll just appear like a piece of trash who paid for it. whether you earned it or not.

    That's the thing - no one cares about your kudos or respect. It's a game and it will always be just a game.

    If someone is going to get carried to get the skin, achievement, XP, etc. I'm pretty sure they are not thinking "I wonder what player # 1180472394 thinks about me?" They are thinking "Groovy, Got ma skin bruh".

    You can't cheapen a skin any more than freely obtainable game pixels.

    [Edited for removed quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Mika on September 4, 2017 3:34PM
  • TheAngelofDeath99
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    I don't understand why people would think it's bad. It's literally being a mercenary, and a great way to RP.
  • sevomd69
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    I personally wouldn't do it but what's the difference in being part of a 12 man group with a guild and being part of a 12 man in a carry? If you need to be carried it would be the same in either scenario. Of course other than the gold outlay...
  • EnglishTea123
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    Ehh... even the President has his own ghostwriter(s) irl. I also say that it's completely fine to hire others' services for gold. Chances are, most business CEOs have ghostwriters, and I suppose this is ESO's way of having a "ghostwriter" if you will.
  • Shadzilla
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    I don't understand why people would think it's bad. It's literally being a mercenary, and a great way to RP.

    Agreed.
  • FLuFFyxMuFFiN
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    IMO it cheapens the skin. I don't care who wears the skin anymore, you'll get no kudos from me. How the hell do I know if you earned or paid for it. If people want to devalue their achievements by whor-ing them out for gold that's their decision. you'll just appear like a piece of trash who paid for it. whether you earned it or not.

    I don't make my characters look a certain way to get kudos from other players. I make my characters look how I want my characters to look regardless of what others think. If someone has any skin in the game I never question how they obtained it because honestly I couldn't care less. I just think good for them they got something that they wanted. At the end of the day this is just a game and people are free to play however they want.
  • Davor
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    I am not fully grasping what the OP is asking. Is he saying for me someone being level 25 will pay someone who is max level to help them out? That is frowned apon? To me that would be like the person who is max level is working like a Mercenary.

    We kill, steal and murder, but acting like a Mercenary is frowned apon? What am I missing here?
    Not my quote but I love this saying

    "I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"
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