Black Rose - Most Useless set

Malic · August 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

I didn't tag anyone. Anyway, you can't buff a set that's been nerfed because that's not what ZoS does.

So the thread is pointless.

Was good. Cry babies got it nerfed, and will probably do so with Oblivion Damage.

Move on

Oh youre right, the cry babies will get the next thing nerfed. The real problem is ZOS they arent buffing enough sets to make choice actually viable. i mean we are starting to get there but horns is going to be 4-5 sets tops in cyrodiil.

BlackRose is the perfect example it was BIS for a long time for a lot of builds. ZOS left it and then the QQ became to much. They could have lifted other sets up, but its always nerf first hope for the best. Black Rose now is only useful on a stam DK that isnt a magi based race.

However in fairness to zos when you ride the wave of millions of players (per firor) you have to keep them on the treadmill, gear treadmills are mmo proven. Hence every update 70% of what was good last update goes in the crapper, like Black Rose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L8kYsXg5jQ

Chilly-McFreeze · August 2017

Malic wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I didn't tag anyone. Anyway, you can't buff a set that's been nerfed because that's not what ZoS does.

So the thread is pointless.

Was good. Cry babies got it nerfed, and will probably do so with Oblivion Damage.

Move on

Oh youre right, the cry babies will get the next thing nerfed. The real problem is ZOS they arent buffing enough sets to make choice actually viable. i mean we are starting to get there but horns is going to be 4-5 sets tops in cyrodiil.

BlackRose is the perfect example it was BIS for a long time for a lot of builds. ZOS left it and then the QQ became to much. They could have lifted other sets up, but its always nerf first hope for the best. Black Rose now is only useful on a stam DK that isnt a magi based race.

However in fairness to zos when you ride the wave of millions of players (per firor) you have to keep them on the treadmill, gear treadmills are mmo proven. Hence every update 70% of what was good last update goes in the crapper, like Black Rose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L8kYsXg5jQ

Because it demands much less work to bring one set down (into uselessnes) than to make up some good ideas how to power many other sets up. Would be a shame if we got more than a handful really good sets.

Cyrediath · August 2017

I still expect slight buff to black rose :P i dont wamt other sets to be nerfed like seducer or alteration mastery etc they are working fine imo. with 7 heavy we get around 800 and with black rose it becomes 1.000 (just huess worl didnt calculate now) instead of 200 every 4 seconds (100 recovery in perfect aituation when you get hit permanently) it should give 250. we willg et 150-200 anyways which is decent not even good but decent. if you use 4k aoe skills with seducer it will be around 3650 or something. Much muuch more better than getting 97.5 magicka if you constantly hit and give up 5.1.1 to get more resources with 7.0.0

Vetixio · August 2017

There was a time where people would have been outraged if someone asked for a buff to Black Rose

geonsocal · August 2017

Cyrediath wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

you've sadly misread the magnificent nostalgic value of the black rose set...it's been in my closet forever - and, it still looks good...

use it from time to time on my stamplar and stam dk...both characters are werewolves...

the set seems to work well with other sets - defensive, or offensive...nice filler gear when you don't know what else to wear...

i think you also like the idea behind the black rose. its really cool but mathematically it performs veeeery poorly. shame...

@Cyrediath :'( :'( :'(

honestly, one of my biggest griefs about the game is all the *** math...ugh, it's painful...

I have a bit of a altoholism issue...on top of that I'm into gear, so, I change characters every day and each of their gear every couple of months...

I don't have the inclination/intelligence/insight for going through all the numbers...

I read set descriptions, check the forum and play...

I wish I had the sense/desire to run the math myself...or, even watch videos - of people whom have done the math...i read threads - I'm normally a patch or two behind most trends...

one last point reference black rose - it converts to imperial heavy

Cyrediath · August 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

you've sadly misread the magnificent nostalgic value of the black rose set...it's been in my closet forever - and, it still looks good...

use it from time to time on my stamplar and stam dk...both characters are werewolves...

the set seems to work well with other sets - defensive, or offensive...nice filler gear when you don't know what else to wear...

i think you also like the idea behind the black rose. its really cool but mathematically it performs veeeery poorly. shame...

@Cyrediath :'( :'( :'(

honestly, one of my biggest griefs about the game is all the *** math...ugh, it's painful...

I have a bit of a altoholism issue...on top of that I'm into gear, so, I change characters every day and each of their gear every couple of months...

I don't have the inclination/intelligence/insight for going through all the numbers...

I read set descriptions, check the forum and play...

I wish I had the sense/desire to run the math myself...or, even watch videos - of people whom have done the math...i read threads - I'm normally a patch or two behind most trends...

one last point reference black rose - it converts to imperial heavy

lol yea i like heavy DC stly tho all lions and stuff. looks like lannister style

i hope they fix black rose. it nerfed because people were talking about it so much. the issue was constitituon not black rose. if they make black rose %50 again it will give around 130 resource i guess but pretty sure people will loose their minds if eso make black rose %50 const. buff again. It can only bought with telvar stones. its relatively easy to get impen trait. if you are solo decent player it may take 1 week to farm. if you are decent group player and have friends to play with you can farm it in a day in few hours. other traits are rng tho and relatively hard to get. i think that set deserves some buff to catch up craftable sets like heavy seducer which gives %8 reduction. even %50 buff on black rose is not even close to seducer but it will be acxaptabke at least...

Qbiken · August 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Valwe wrote: »

The OP is right. This set needs to be stronger given how difficult it is to obtain. It was weakened far too much.

Farm IC-sewers for a few hours and you´ve got a complete set in impenetrable, just saying

Just farm something is always the way to obtain anything. As if normal raids would be any harder to complete.

Well, difference is that I know for sure that I can get impenetrable pieces of blackrose. In trials it´s pure rng if I get the stuff I want. If I want Blackrose in sturdy.......that´s a whole other topic

Ulfgarde · August 2017

Stam DK is pretty dead in the water for me after all the sustain changes. Helping Hands, redguard sustain, igneous shield nerfs, vigor cost increase, block cost increase (every 0.25 seconds), and further black rose nerfs (even after they nerfed it the first time) really killed a lot of what made stam DK sustainable and strong. Now it's mostly kiting as long as you can or tanking until you can burst with dragon leap.

It would be nice to have black rose buffed but not to the point where it was. A 50% buff would probably make it viable again for many tanking, since desert rose / amber plasm / impregnable is popular now.

Gan Xing · August 2017

Spent about 30k on some jewelry to test my hybrid: Blackrose + Shacklebreaker + 1 kena (2h and staff)... Was disappointing (would have tried it in PTS if the template crafting skills were lvl 50)...

Cyrediath · August 2017

Gan Xing wrote: »

Spent about 30k on some jewelry to test my hybrid: Blackrose + Shacklebreaker + 1 kena (2h and staff)... Was disappointing (would have tried it in PTS if the template crafting skills were lvl 50)...

You cant rely on black rose for resource management. if you take it off and put a random set you wont feel any difference. if you wear aomething that givea you magicka recovery pr cost reduction you eill see the huge different and how black rose is useless now...

ak_pvp · August 2017

I hate how they ruined it so. It used to offer 180 mag/stam recovery in 5 heavy, (completely unbuffable) and 149 sp/wp. It wasn't the best set ever. But the babbies killed it anyway.

gpreid81 · August 2017

It was great too good in fact now it's useless and won't get any better since its been nerfed so move along :'(

Cyrediath · August 2017

gpreid81 wrote: »

It was great too good in fact now it's useless and won't get any better since its been nerfed so move along :'(

Actually when i make this thread i tought some people would show up with their black rose builds and tell use how they male it work lol i guess blacl rose ise really dead huh? i hope zenimax checks and tests black rose again. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MichaelM @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK

cpuScientist · August 2017

I would love to have had black rose with Shackle. What a setup that could have been....

WillhelmBlack · August 2017

It wasn't OP imo, the QQ on the forums, Stam DK at the time and heavy armour's Wrath passive was however. It's OK to be tanky in heavy but when you're still able to kill everything that's where the problem really was.

Cyrediath · August 2017

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

It wasn't OP imo, the QQ on the forums, Stam DK at the time and heavy armour's Wrath passive was however. It's OK to be tanky in heavy but when you're still able to kill everything that's where the problem really was.

Thats exactly what i mean. i wouldnt mind if they nerf black rose but it was over nerfed.