PAYING FOR MAW CLEARS FOR SKINS/LOOT

illuminousflux · August 2017

Yeah, who cares if someone wants to pay for the skin. The main focus of doing content like vMoL is getting on leaderboards anyways, if someone just wants one run to get a skin and achievement it doesn't seem like a big deal. It's their gold to spend, and if a trial group wants to carry them through the dungeon for payment then they absolutely should (that really sounds like hell though, imagine the twins fight with someone who doesn't have any experience with vMoL

).

MehrunesFlagon · August 2017

illuminousflux wrote: »

Yeah, who cares if someone wants to pay for the skin. The main focus of doing content like vMoL is getting on leaderboards anyways, if someone just wants one run to get a skin and achievement it doesn't seem like a big deal. It's their gold to spend, and if a trial group wants to carry them through the dungeon for payment then they absolutely should (that really sounds like hell though, imagine the twins fight with someone who doesn't have any experience with vMoL ).

Been there,but even they first boss they will spread curses like mad.I imagine they may just leave them dead if they are truly dead weight.

Bowser · August 2017

I paid for my Moon Pearls with soul gems and repair kits.

jlboozer · August 2017

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

It's fine

But at this point I have no regard for
anyone with the skin. There have been so many exploits with MAW that it's literally impossible to tell if they earned it or not. I've kicked people with the skin in my groups because they had no idea how some mechanics work in some trials I did. lol just got so annoyed with them gloating about their skin and dying and making excuses that I don't care about skins anymore. It's just luck/rng/ exploits now.

I've seen cp 200 with it and there's no way they had enough gold or skill to complete maw. They didn't even have a monster set. Very clear how they got it. Lol

At 200cp I was already sitting at 5 million gold...just because you didn't doesn't mean other people can't.

Enslaved · August 2017

Is paying for runs in PvE wrong?

I dislike it, but can't say it is illegal
I find it cheesy but can't say it is immoral, compared with so many aspects in ESO we deal with on daily basis

Slick_007 · August 2017

i wouldnt do this myself, on either side of the story. but i have no real problem with others doing it. im too cheap to buy a carry and if i was a trial running person, wouldnt charge for it. i've never charged people to group in any game iv played, dont see a need to now. and im not exactly rich in eso either. in fact, im poorer than the other games iv played.

In every other game iv played, a trial would not be charged. Groups would just announce they have a spot free and an appropriate player could take it. those 11 are going anyway.
if someone wanted to go they could buy a group if they couldnt form one, but until ESO i dont think i saw this either.

the comments someone made about if people dont have the time its one thing but being lazy is another. i think if people werent lazy, they'd make the time. my old guilds in other games used to announce raids in advance. others did too. if you couldnt go with your guild, you could usually sub with another if you got in quick enough.

Mitrenga · August 2017

It's a business. Think of it like you are hiring bodyguards when going into a dangerous place.
Come to think of it, maybe you feel like a celebrity.
And yes, it goes around like 200k per person in PC EU.

theamazingx · August 2017

I see nothing wrong with it. People get carried all the time, all the better if they pay up. It even works from an RP point of view.

Slick_007 · August 2017

meant to ask in my earlier post if you pay for a carry, you get all the loot too? after all, why should the hired help get any more than the cash?

Feanor · August 2017

Flawless Conqueror can't be bought? Best joke in years.

sekou_trayvond · August 2017

Meh. I'd never pay, but to each their own.

Destiny had/has Sherpa teams that charged ACTUAL money to get carried through the toughest raids, so there's that.

(Though wouldn't surprise me one bit if this is done on the sly in ESO)

karldavy149b16_ESO · August 2017

Shadzilla wrote: »

It is well known around the community that helping someone through any sort of PVE content for gold is completely legal, legitimate, and does not break the terms of service. On the other hand... Is it unethical, immoral, or frowned upon? I have had some negative feedback from a few people saying that it should not be done, even though it does not break any rules. I think if a group of players that have attained enough skill/experience over the years and can do some of the hardest PVE content with only 11 players, they should have no regrets about selling their time and skills for gold. Please share opinions!

do not see an issue with paying for a clear i personally wouldnt i would prefer to put in the hardwork and train ... without a challenge how can one expect to get gud

i can however see why some poeple would hate this ... not having the gold to pay for a carry would wind alot of players up

others would be upset by the time invested in getting gud befor they got the skin

but yeah who cares ... entitlement generation and all they aint hurting no one

karldavy149b16_ESO · August 2017

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Shadzilla wrote: »

It is well known around the community that helping someone through any sort of PVE content for gold is completely legal, legitimate, and does not break the terms of service. On the other hand... Is it unethical, immoral, or frowned upon? I have had some negative feedback from a few people saying that it should not be done, even though it does not break any rules. I think if a group of players that have attained enough skill/experience over the years and can do some of the hardest PVE content with only 11 players, they should have no regrets about selling their time and skills for gold. Please share opinions!

...Can you help me? LMFAO.

shadzilla will sell his own moms for 2 gold so he will always be up for earning a few extra g

Drazkyth · August 2017

Like others have said, people get carried all the time without even knowing it.
If people wanna pay gold for a cosmetic skin or a title? Go for it.
If people wanna carry them for gold etc? Go for it.

Only the tryhards will get butthurt, which is always a good thing.

MakoFore · August 2017

I wish the game has some sort of message board wall where players could post ads, guilds could advertise, items could get sold/auctioned, like the forums really- but live and in game and perhaps paid for with gold or aurhtorized- something that would allow organization oof trials easier- also in game voice. there are so many things that block people from experenicing all the best end game content. it takes a real dedicated full time social player to get a chance- otherwise its hard. ive played for over a year- have 2 full cp accounts- and have only just found a guild that runs trials reguallary- i.e twice a week- after having looked for a year- and been thru about 30 guilds. alot of groups talk like they want to do it- but they never get good enough, arent organized enough, dont have the leadership, just want to farm normal mode OR they do get good enough and just want to go for leaderboards and times and arent going to help new trial players now theyve worked and learned together.

Ulfgarde · August 2017

You think it's just that? There was always emp crownings that went for a price. Flawless or even simple vMA clears can be charged for the right price.

Really, though, it's kinda understandable for a clear of vMOL or vHOF. For me, my computer just cant handle trials for whatever reason, despite it being pretty decent and running modern games at High / Very High @ 1080p. But this game? I can get down to 3 fps on fights like the atronach in vAA. It gets really bad, and I totally understand why though. That's besides the point.

I can sit here and practice DPS rotations all I want. Right now, I can do 35k dps no problem with a Mag Sorc / Stam NB with almost BiS gear. Yet, I take one foot into vMOL, and my game goes right down to 3 fps. That's not to mention the 300 ping I get (living across an ocean in NA, playing on EU, yes I'm that stupid) that also screws up my rotation. So, all in all, I can understand why people would pay for it. I will personally wait until I can run the game well enough and do it with a decent group, but some people just get impatient as hell and pay a small fee to focus on other endgame (PvP, etc.)

Duxes · August 2017

I payed for my carry. I went with a guild that was was carrying 3 of us on the final boss. I didn't die once at it went extremely smooth. Done in about 5 mins it seemed. I was Max cp and I had decent gear and dps, but at the time I wasn't in a raiding guild and thought I would never be able to obtain it on my own. Now I'm in a raiding guild doing progression on said trial. Everyone pays for convenience in this game whether it be mats, perfect trait gear and weapons its all the same really. Nothing wrong with that imo.

Wolfkeks · August 2017

If you want to pay for it, it's fine.
If you wanna try it yourself, it's fine.
It's your decision and as mentioned above, not everyone has the time to do vTrials often, maybe only once a week.

WhoSlappedThePie · August 2017

It's like saying if somebody helps you with farming, or giving you free items, or crafting something for free, or doing anything for you that helps and you are accepting; would it be immoral or unethical to give them a "tip" or something for helping you?

It's just the same thing. It's up to individuals what they do with their money? If they've earned it then what's the problem?

SASQUATCH0 · August 2017

As long as people aren't stealing the instances I guess it's whatever. But it feels good to earn a skin/title rather than buying it!

Mureel · August 2017

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Been there,but even they first boss they will spread curses like mad.I imagine they may just leave them dead if they are truly dead weight.

I would. I often do it if we get a really lowbie in a pledge.

You're less trouble, less in the way and cost me less mana if you're dead.

If you're not willing to learn anything, then stay dead - then everyone gets their complete and done.

ALTHOUGH: on the other end of the stick; The other day I had some Tank Kickvote Spamming us all because we had a lowbie in EH1 and I wrote to him 'No dude, we're not kicking a lowbie from EH1 lol.'
Him: 'OK kick me then.'
Me: LOL No. You leave if you wanna leave. We're not gonna do 'tryna be leet' in Elden Hollow (I admit I was tired and crackin' wise a little) lol...
He: Never comes to dungeon, but stays in party - dies doing F knows what like 3-4 times (healer I'm watching health bars) somewhere else.

Meanwhile, we 3 (2 really, the other DD and I DD here and there where possible, lowbie was attacking all bosses with the stealthy NB jump strike thingy and impale the whole time) finish EH1 HM and get 2 keys and he gets NTH!

Lowbie was all WOOO YAY HAHAAH THANK YOU and stuff xD

Cpt_Teemo · August 2017

If you have the gold to buy the run sure, I don't really care but a pve raider might cause of how much time they're investing in it. I know I've made about 60m since Morrowind dropped and I wouldn't spend 1g on a run cause I don't really care about buying my way through Pve achieves that you can do yourself if you work towards it.

FakeFox · August 2017

Some people complain about it occasionally, yeah. But from my experience most of the endgame PvE community do it them selfs or just don't care since vMOL isn't something you brag about and the skin is rather worthless (though very cool looking).

bebynnag · August 2017

Shadzilla wrote: »

It is well known around the community that helping someone through any sort of PVE content for gold is completely legal, legitimate, and does not break the terms of service. On the other hand... Is it unethical, immoral, or frowned upon? I have had some negative feedback from a few people saying that it should not be done, even though it does not break any rules. I think if a group of players that have attained enough skill/experience over the years and can do some of the hardest PVE content with only 11 players, they should have no regrets about selling their time and skills for gold. Please share opinions!

if u can carry someone through, why not run training sessions & help the 12th person reach a point where they do not need to be carried!

Shadzilla · August 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Shadzilla wrote: »

It is well known around the community that helping someone through any sort of PVE content for gold is completely legal, legitimate, and does not break the terms of service. On the other hand... Is it unethical, immoral, or frowned upon? I have had some negative feedback from a few people saying that it should not be done, even though it does not break any rules. I think if a group of players that have attained enough skill/experience over the years and can do some of the hardest PVE content with only 11 players, they should have no regrets about selling their time and skills for gold. Please share opinions!

if u can carry someone through, why not run training sessions & help the 12th person reach a point where they do not need to be carried!

Training runs happen all the time, although not so much for vmol anymore since most people in the endgame community know that trial in and out. Training for vhof runs happen all the time though. These carries are usually bought by PVP only players or traders. I doubt there are many PVE guilds that still cannot clear vmol while doing progression attempts a couple times weekly. It is also good to note, training runs usually involve friends and guildmates, not many groups will just pick up random strangers and start training them...

R4TTIUS · August 2017

Or just glitch Maw and get what you need without ever fighting a boss that's what 60% of people did before getting banned for a day and keeping everything they got.

Mazbt · August 2017

I would help someone out for free provided I know they are decent players with vet maw attempts in the past (maybe they dont have a consistent group to practice) otherwise no.

ComboBreaker88 · August 2017

Seeing as how this is the only real way a raid group can make gold ZOS and the community should applaud the groups able to 8 man Vet Maw. All the gear in the game should be BoE. Remove BoP from the game.

ComboBreaker88 · August 2017

Also saying you didn't earn the skin because you made enough gold to buy it from someone is like saying you didn't earn you home or car because you didn't build it yourself.

Lord_Eomer · August 2017

All you care about some skin?

Here ZOS dropped nerf bomb on HOTR Patch