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Ever wondered why Crystal Fragments are dealing so much damage? Statistics talk
WaltherCarraway
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IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT ACTUAL MODIFIERS
Crystal Fragments = 0.15369 * Max Magicka + 1.61382 * Spell Damage Cost: 4050
Flame Lash = 0.10071 * Max Magicka + 1.05719 * Spell Damage Cost: 2341. 1 seconds cast time, 35% chance of causing your next Crystal Fragments to be instant, deal 10% more damage, and cost 50% less Magicka.
Power Lash = 0.11935 * Max Magicka +1.25310 * Spell Damage No Cost (Though a whip is still required in most cases)
In conclusion: a crystal fragment is 52.63% stonger than flame lash, 28.78% stronger than power lash. However 73% more expensive than flame lash.
Under the circumstances of: Same tri-stats, same spell damage, same spell critical, w/o any passives, buff, and skill slotted.
(Necropotence set LUL)
My fellow Ebonheart Pact warriors, i hope you know how to deal with them DC/AD sorcerers now
. Although some of them might gonna switch to Oblivion damage + Infused + Mother Sorrow + Torug Pact to kick 2250 Oblivion damage per 1.4 sec with their 'pro blanket' Hardened Ward after the maintenance is done; That will be a different story then.
NOT TRUE
"Reduced the damage on the Damage Health (Oblivion) weapon enchantment by approximately 36%."
EDIT: truth, and neutral text.
Source: esoitem.uesp.net/viewSkills.php
Edited by WaltherCarraway on August 14, 2017 1:37PM Crystal Fragments = 0.15369 * Max Magicka + 1.61382 * Spell Damage Cost: 4050
Flame Lash = 0.10071 * Max Magicka + 1.05719 * Spell Damage Cost: 2341. 1 seconds cast time, 35% chance of causing your next Crystal Fragments to be instant, deal 10% more damage, and cost 50% less Magicka.
Power Lash = 0.11935 * Max Magicka +1.25310 * Spell Damage No Cost (Though a whip is still required in most cases)
In conclusion: a crystal fragment is 52.63% stonger than flame lash, 28.78% stronger than power lash. However 73% more expensive than flame lash.
Under the circumstances of: Same tri-stats, same spell damage, same spell critical, w/o any passives, buff, and skill slotted.
(Necropotence set LUL)
My fellow Ebonheart Pact warriors, i hope you know how to deal with them DC/AD sorcerers now
. Although some of them might gonna switch to Oblivion damage + Infused + Mother Sorrow + Torug Pact to kick 2250 Oblivion damage per 1.4 sec with their 'pro blanket' Hardened Ward after the maintenance is done; That will be a different story then.NOT TRUE
"Reduced the damage on the Damage Health (Oblivion) weapon enchantment by approximately 36%."
EDIT: truth, and neutral text.
Source: esoitem.uesp.net/viewSkills.php
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CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why are you under the impression that Crystal Frags and Flame Lash are parallels to be compared? The only thing they have in common is being the staple dps skill for the respective classes. A direct comparison is meaningless without putting the skills in context of the rest of the kits. Flame Lash hits a little less hard, yet its spammable, has a strong heal on it, and comes on a class that has 3-4 potent dots to layer on top of whip spam.
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WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭Why are you under the impression that Crystal Frags and Flame Lash are parallels to be compared? The only thing they have in common is being the staple dps skill for the respective classes. A direct comparison is meaningless without putting the skills in context of the rest of the kits. Flame Lash hits a little less hard, yet its spammable, has a strong heal on it, and comes on a class that has 3-4 potent dots to layer on top of whip spam.
Pointless post is pointless.
Nice defending. "Whip spam" lol, it doesn't even heal unless i strike a disoriented dude. How about YOU quit spamming Biting Jabs and Power of the Light?
These two are main dps skill for corresponding classes, if such comparison is pointless tell me what's is on point. Being slaughtered by your meta build and don't do nothing about it?
If the post is pointless to you then why are you even here? I simply did some calculation then the beefing is present. WOW, You DC folks are far beyond amazing
Conceited player is conceited. As well as blindfolded post like yours
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I almost forgot, you guys always run in 4 men small group in PC NA Vivec during Oceanic time with 2 magicka templars to farm some easy EP AP and always have the tendency to get rekt by larger groups or random pugs.Edited by WaltherCarraway on August 14, 2017 12:53PMBack from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Comparing a skill with a cast time, needs a proc for instant cast, against skills that are instant, one is free in many situations and iirc does more damage when free. Lets not forget frags can be reflected as well.2 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You think a spammable melee ability should do as much damage as a burst damage ability?
Why is this thread even a thing, I'm losing hope for the ESO community at large.The Age of Wrobel.7 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Comparing a skill with a cast time, needs a proc for instant cast, against skills that are instant, one is free in many situations and iirc does more damage when free. Lets not forget frags can be reflected as well.
Whip does not heal unless I strike a disoriented dude. In pvp situation people tend to break free instantly from such snare.
Also. you forgot i said (fragment) is 73% more expensive than flame lash.
The post never, ever mentioned a nerf or buff is needed for any of the skill.
I did calculations based on data from uesp.net. Do i sound like i don't know rng is required for an instant cast?
The point is to let more people realize the difference and to learn the concept behind these two main dps skills. That's all.WaltherCarraway wrote: »Under the circumstances of: Same tri-stats, same spell damage, same spell critical, w/o any passives, buff, and skill slotted.
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CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »
Nice defending. "Whip spam" lol, it doesn't even heal unless i strike a disoriented dude. How about YOU quit spamming Biting Jabs and Power of the Light?
These two are main dps skill for corresponding classes, if such comparison is pointless tell me what's is on point. Being slaughtered by your meta build and don't do nothing about it?
If the post is pointless to you then why are you even here? I simply did some calculation then the beefing is present. WOW, You DC folks are far beyond amazing
Conceited player is conceited. As well as blindfolded post like yours
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I almost forgot, you guys always run in 4 men small group in PC NA Vivec during Oceanic time with 2 magicka templars to farm some easy EP AP and always have the tendency to get rekt by larger groups or random pugs.
Triggered much? The funny thing is, I don't even know who you are or why you felt the need to make this personal. Must be one of the randoms we farm. My 4 man gets run over by large groups of pugs? lol insightful. Anyways, petty minds make things personal when they can't discuss substance so I won't entertain that.
When I say whip spam, it isn't as an insult. The point is it's a spammable skill and exists in its own context. Comparing numbers between it and crystal frags makes no sense but I guess logic is not a very strong point for you.
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WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »
Nice defending. "Whip spam" lol, it doesn't even heal unless i strike a disoriented dude. How about YOU quit spamming Biting Jabs and Power of the Light?
These two are main dps skill for corresponding classes, if such comparison is pointless tell me what's is on point. Being slaughtered by your meta build and don't do nothing about it?
If the post is pointless to you then why are you even here? I simply did some calculation then the beefing is present. WOW, You DC folks are far beyond amazing
Conceited player is conceited. As well as blindfolded post like yours
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I almost forgot, you guys always run in 4 men small group in PC NA Vivec during Oceanic time with 2 magicka templars to farm some easy EP AP and always have the tendency to get rekt by larger groups or random pugs.
Triggered much? The funny thing is, I don't even know who you are or why you felt the need to make this personal. Must be one of the pugs we farm. My 4 man gets run over by large groups of pugs? lol insightful. Anyways, small minds make things personal when they can't discuss substance so I won't entertain that.
When I say whip spam, it isn't as an insult. The point is it's a spammable skill and exists in its own context. Comparing numbers between it and crystal frags makes no sense but I guess logic is a strong point for you.
Oh no, i know who you are, because someone made a great joke about you in our zone chat like a week ago, yet i know what players are playing this game with their everlasting ego.
In fact your assumptions have already made me think that you're triggered first...
BTW, lemme conclude your logic
Beefing in my post with no percussion = OP is triggered by your beefs.
Keep on farming AP. I'd say your intelligence is comparable with Sheogorath.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭You think a spammable melee ability should do as much damage as a burst damage ability?
Why is this thread even a thing, I'm losing hope for the ESO community at large.
did i say that?
title says Ever wondered why Crystal Fragments are dealing so much damage? Statistics talk
if you can't read this please report in to your nearest english teacher, thank you.
oh my, how about you stop assuming everyone else is bad. don't be so conceited. please.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »You think a spammable melee ability should do as much damage as a burst damage ability?
Why is this thread even a thing, I'm losing hope for the ESO community at large.
did i say that?
title says Ever wondered why Crystal Fragments are dealing so much damage? Statistics talk
if you can't read this please report in to your nearest english teacher, thank you.
oh my, how about you stop assuming everyone else is bad. don't be so conceited. please.
Well if you aren't trying to lobby for a spammable getting the same damage as a non spammable burst, or lobbying for a non spammable burst to be lowered the same damage as a spammable.
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[Edit to remove bait.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on August 18, 2017 9:23PMThe Age of Wrobel.3 -
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✭Have you ever wondered why 1m^3 iron weights more than 1m^3 air? Statistics talk....
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WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »You think a spammable melee ability should do as much damage as a burst damage ability?
Why is this thread even a thing, I'm losing hope for the ESO community at large.
did i say that?
title says Ever wondered why Crystal Fragments are dealing so much damage? Statistics talk
if you can't read this please report in to your nearest english teacher, thank you.
oh my, how about you stop assuming everyone else is bad. don't be so conceited. please.
Well if you aren't trying to lobby for a spammable getting the same damage as a non spammable burst, or lobbying for a non spammable burst to be lowered the same damage as a spammable.
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[Edit to remove bait.]
quote my another response
The point is to let more people realize the difference and to learn the concept behind these two main dps skills. That's all.
rhetorical question lololol. Are you gonna earn a phd by saying that?
Throughout the post I've never taken stuff personal. It's your fault if you can't comprehend the point of a post and beefing at OP just because you don't agree with him.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on August 18, 2017 9:24PMBack from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭Luigi_Vampa wrote: »So you just felt like making a PSA? Why?
oh, because.
It also helps me leveling up. the more hilarious people, the faster it will beBack from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
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✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »
Now replace density with damage multiplier and volume with max stats. Get it now?
But the real question is: Is it useful to compare to completely different thing about how much damage they do?
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WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »
Now replace density with damage multiplier and volume with max stats. Get it now?
But the real question is: Is it useful to compare to completely different thing about how much damage they do?
No, no. it's not about whether i get it or not...
tired of copy and paste:
The point is to let more people realize the difference and to learn the concept behind these two main dps skills. That's all.
"Throughout the post I've never taken stuff personal. It's your fault if you can't comprehend the point of a post and beefing at OP just because you don't agree with him."
End of story, if you wanna contribute more points to my forum level then welcome. I don't really care, or most people don't really care about forum these days lol.
You keep going.
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Caza99✭✭✭✭I struggle to understand the purpose of this thread. Basically all you've done is do some random calculations of one skill and then compare it to another skill that is completely different and in no way functions the same. It's like comparing apples and oranges. As others have pointed out, this thread is pretty much pointless, though you are making it entertaining by randomly attacking people who respond and question the thread's purpose.
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✭✭✭✭✭"My fellow Ebonheart Pact warriors, i hope you know how to deal with them DC/AD sorcerers now."
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What a pointless post.
Can you learn things before you make posts like this please.
Compares melee ranged instant skill which is cheaper and has a big heal on it to a ranged projectile that usually has a cast time, requires a proc, can be reflected and dodged very easy.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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