Fix the guards right freakin now

kargen27 · August 2017

Talons you roll dodge out of. Petrify you bash to get free.

The only thing that bothers me about the guards is in a few places they can see through walls. Happens to me mostly when they are either above or below. I wouldn't mind so much but the little eyeball when I am about to pickpocket shows I am stealthed and unobserved but soon as I grab something the guard comes running up/down the stairs. Sure I can get away but still interrupts my profits.

I also a couple of times got one shotted when I was half way across the harbor where they usually have long sense given up. That happens rare enough it really isn't much of a nuisance though.

The wall thing happens often. Makes me think the sneak feature doesn't take into account anything but the floor/level you are on.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO · August 2017

sudaki_eso wrote: »

Swifigames wrote: »

Anyone else notice the guards' health bars? They list at 10.4 million HP just before highlighting as a solid gold bar.
Not sure it was like that before a month or two ago...I never noticed it at least.

So can we kill a guard with a zerg?

https://youtu.be/beLkpADuQ2I

"Come kill the guard at fountain for legendary gear!!!"

Oh ***! Yeah this was the video I was remembering

zaria · August 2017

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

Swifigames wrote: »

Anyone else notice the guards' health bars? They list at 10.4 million HP just before highlighting as a solid gold bar.
Not sure it was like that before a month or two ago...I never noticed it at least.

So can we kill a guard with a zerg?

iirc guards have an attack called riot control which will instagib anyone in a zerg before they even come close to killing them

This, the guards don't do much damage and some dungeon bosses has over 6 on hm and not done the hardest vet dungeons.
Problem is the crown controll AOE spell.

Nestor · August 2017

On the PC I have found that the native break free (both mouse buttons at once) does not work reliably, in combat or guards, so I put a secondary bind to a keystroke. Now the breaker always works.

Even then I am never going to carry more than 3K to 5K worth of stolen loot. That is just poor planning.

Bouldercleave · August 2017

L2Steal.

L2Escape

L2Run Away

L2Break free

L2Launder

L2Fence yo' stuff

etc.

AoDD33pfri3d · August 2017

TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »

40k worth of stolen goods and with A FULL BAR OF STAMINA I cannot break free from petrify. Die, lose it all. I am the Vestige, defeater of Molag Bal, yet I cannot fight a guard, much less break free? Fix your game ZOS.

inb4 "hurr durr shudnta gotta caught"
- Fair argument, but what happened to the other games where you could get your goods back? At least add a chest in that requires a master lock, and is surrounded by guards. At least we have a chance at getting our stuff back.

Also, why are the Thieves Guild footpads only OUTSIDE? If they can instantly disappear surely they should be able to do it inside too.
And that *** reveal. My thief toon is a nb, but why OH WHY must the guard use the flare, then an unbreakable CC after? Guards are OP enough as it is. I'm sure many people (myself included) use a Magblade with cloak as their thief, so it is just *** that the guard uses a flare+we cannot go back to stealth+the guard uses petrify+cannot break free WITH A FULL STAM BAR= Death in one heavy hit.

What are your thoughts on the guards? Do they need to be reworked, even if they are still invincible?

Sorry about the first part had to blow off some steam.

UPDATE: I took the one person's suggestion about using mist form, and it's worked out great so far. But remember, the problem here is not that I lost 40k worth of stolen goods (which sucks but I can always just steal more easily), the problem is that I could not break free with a FULL BAR OF STAMINA. This is a problem that has been seeing many times in PvP and PvE. If it is not going to be fixed, then imo, the guards should not be able to spam CC, even if there are hard counters.

[Edit for profanity]

Well if you took Cadwell quest then Noone remembers you as a hero

D0PAMINE · August 2017

Hippie4927 wrote: »

My thieves are all vampires. I use vampire mist form and the guards can't touch me!

Shhhhh! Secret! Now it will be nerfed! Lol

D0PAMINE · August 2017

RocketQueen wrote: »

Either way it will never make any sense! A town guard more hench than Molag Bal (GOD of Schemes)...wtf is up with that!?

...guess I'll be joining he town guard then

Cause you had The Amulet of Kings....

Joffi · August 2017

Oh, come on. A graphics overhaul is one person updating textures over a few months.Modders do it on weekends.

Beardimus · August 2017

Guards don't need a nerf, you should ever need to be caught especially with a huge haul.

BUT CC breaking is broken. Especially if ur a magika user.

LadyLethalla · August 2017

Runschei wrote: »

The only broken thing I have noticed about guatds is that they sometime run up to me while I have a bounty, and I see my character raise her hands, but then the guard just leave. Without anything else happening. I mean, I don't complain, but wow it's freaking weird.

Yes - if you stand behind the Wayrest bank safebox to crack the lock/loot it the guard will go to accost you and your character puts up his/her hands, but then the guard just turns her back... xD

Yarlenzey · August 2017

Teleporting would have been the smart move.

Sarato · August 2017

lul pleb l2p

AdicusDio · August 2017

I just roll dodge constantly and drop in water. Roll dodge is the only thing you can do avoid their attacks/skills reliably. If you have something like scattershopt on your bar, you can immobilize them briefy- long enough to put distance between you.

Fherrit · August 2017

Not going to trash talk the OP any, I get the frustration of being gibbed by the Guards but personally I don't mind their challenge. I do mind however, the Twilight fanboism the Dev's have shown Vampires.

But to be more on topic, while getting nabbed by the guards doesn't bother me when it happens, what I do gnash my teeth on when I'm trying to be a sneak-thief is npc's seeing through walls. The other day I had one see through the floor and flag me with a bounty so I did the only sensible thing and disposed of the miscreant. (usually I prefer not to kill npcs since I'm a thief and not a assassin, but figured if the npc is bugged then its putting down a would be vessel for any Matrix Agents).

Then today, same thing happened in a different city when they were standing leaning against a wall flipping a coin. he wasn't pathing but was stationary between the door frame he usually leans against, and his path when he does move is to a nearby closet/stairwell that is a solid wall, the short hall I was in has only a single narrow entry with the chest squarely in the back. Open the chest, and this guy sees me through the wall flagging me for it.

Things of that nature irk me considerably because its not a case of the player failing to do things properly, its the code failing to live up to its design.

MornaBaine · August 2017

I'm a pretty lame thief but I almost ALWAYS manage to outrun guards when busted. Heal staff is your friend. As is lots of dodging and rolling. Don't run in a straight line. Get to water and swim away if you can, otherwise, as has been noted, keep using terrain to thwart the guards' pathing. Now you have a bounty, oh no! Just teleport to your house and either log into another character until it goes away or go from your house to an outlaw refuge and deal with it from there.

But you know what I really hate? The fact that guards are constantly rude to you and you can't kill them.