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Hello all! Would like some advice!
I'm currently working on a Redguard Double SnB MagDK I intend to use for PvP. Trying to decide what sets to use and traits, etc.
Now, I'm thinking of running Silks of the Sun, Grothdarr and Shacklebreaker. As you can see, by Redguard and Double SnB, I plan to use blocking heavily as my defense.
So, for traits, currently I am using sturdy while leveling; but I see everyone suggesting impen. for PvP. With a build focused on blocking for defense, should I still go impen? The block cost reduction seems like a better choice, allowing me to keep my shield up more often. Or would crit protection still out weigh it? Maybe sturdy on some, impen. on others. I guess, I don't know if there is a cap (soft or hard) to block reduction costs that make it silly to put on that much sturdy. Or if impen is that much better, that even uncapped block reduction doesn't out weigh it.
Also, I will be running Ingenous Shields, so can remove crits at will...which makes sturdy seem more favorable again.
I look forward to your input.
I'm currently working on a Redguard Double SnB MagDK I intend to use for PvP. Trying to decide what sets to use and traits, etc.
Now, I'm thinking of running Silks of the Sun, Grothdarr and Shacklebreaker. As you can see, by Redguard and Double SnB, I plan to use blocking heavily as my defense.
So, for traits, currently I am using sturdy while leveling; but I see everyone suggesting impen. for PvP. With a build focused on blocking for defense, should I still go impen? The block cost reduction seems like a better choice, allowing me to keep my shield up more often. Or would crit protection still out weigh it? Maybe sturdy on some, impen. on others. I guess, I don't know if there is a cap (soft or hard) to block reduction costs that make it silly to put on that much sturdy. Or if impen is that much better, that even uncapped block reduction doesn't out weigh it.
Also, I will be running Ingenous Shields, so can remove crits at will...which makes sturdy seem more favorable again.
I look forward to your input.
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Trade Grothdarr for Skoria for PvP. Sun + Shacklebreaker is a nice combo.
I like a mix of sturdy and impen on most builds.
Redguard is not a very good race for mDK. Altmer or Dunmer are preferred.Edited by NBrookus on August 13, 2017 4:20PM0 -
IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭You should still have some impen since you will have to drop block at some point so you dont run out of stamina to dodge or break free. You could do a mix of sturdy and impen, or you could use a set like impregnable which gives you 2500 crit resist, or transmutation wich gives around 1200 crit resist when you heal yourself with a heal over time ability (flame lash). With one of those sets you could run a lot/all sturdy and still be okay. I would have to double check the math, but another thing to note, 3x gold block cost reduction jewlery glyphs give around the same or maybe a little more block reduction that all sturdy pieces, so that's another route you can go. ~3300 crit resist reduces crit damage taken by 50%, which is the base modifier for crits.#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?0 -
Merkabeh✭✭✭Thanks for advice! I'll definitely be considering it when I put together the build.Crusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
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✭✭If I'm not ganking on mag DK, then I usually run 4 or 5 sturdy and 2 or 3 impen, maybe one divines or well-fitted.
Igneous shield is so tiny that it is not so useful for preventing people from critting but more to get stamina back from Helping Hands while blocking. You can also use fossilize for this, or any other earthen heart ability.2 -
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What build are you using to gank people? I'd imagine silks with Alchemist and valkyn? Destro ultimate and proxy det from stealth?
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What build are you using to gank people? I'd imagine silks with Alchemist and valkyn? Destro ultimate and proxy det from stealth?
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T1y4hoon✭✭✭I would go altmer, high elf or argonian for magDK. For sets there really is no BiS, you kinda have to find what works for you. I've been running seducer/rattlecage/skoria (grothdarr is large groups). I'd tried sun but I didn't like it too much. I run 5/2 heavy light with mix of impen and sturdy, sometimes divines.1
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Merkabeh✭✭✭I would go altmer, high elf or argonian for magDK. For sets there really is no BiS, you kinda have to find what works for you. I've been running seducer/rattlecage/skoria (grothdarr is large groups). I'd tried sun but I didn't like it too much. I run 5/2 heavy light with mix of impen and sturdy, sometimes divines.
I was planning 5/1/1 light.
As for choosing Redguard, I did that to cover weaknesses of a sort; nearly everything in my intended build is magicka focused, so I thought redguard would be great for the stamina side of the build. Maybe it would be better with a different race, but going to try and make redguard work first.
Seducer is definitely on my radar; was thinking Silks of the Sun and Seducer; but thought the max stam and stam recovery would help from shacklebreaker.
I'll admit though, this is my first character I'm building for purely PvP, so I definitely appreciate the advice, and will take all this into consideration when working on it. Thank you!Crusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
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T1y4hoon✭✭✭If you are planning on going for a build thats going to block a lot, check out varen's legacy:
Would work well. Forgot about that in my last post.0 -
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✭I would go altmer, high elf or argonian for magDK. For sets there really is no BiS, you kinda have to find what works for you. I've been running seducer/rattlecage/skoria (grothdarr is large groups). I'd tried sun but I didn't like it too much. I run 5/2 heavy light with mix of impen and sturdy, sometimes divines.
I was planning 5/1/1 light.
As for choosing Redguard, I did that to cover weaknesses of a sort; nearly everything in my intended build is magicka focused, so I thought redguard would be great for the stamina side of the build. Maybe it would be better with a different race, but going to try and make redguard work first.
Stam recovery passive is wasted since blocking regen no stam. Dunmer has 6% stam so getting 4% more stam when you hve such a small pool is a waste. Adrenaline rush isn't worth losing 9% max mag and 7% fire damage. You lose way too much damage by going red guard.
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you are planning on going for a build thats going to block a lot, check out varen's legacy:
Would work well. Forgot about that in my last post.
What direct damage AOE would you be using though? does the final hit of deep breath count as direct damage?0 -
IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »
It procs on the first hit of deep breath. Also works on talons and leap.#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?0 -
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✭✭IxskullzxI wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »
It procs on the first hit of deep breath. Also works on talons and leap.
Isn't the first hit damage over time, as well as talons?0 -
IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »
It procs on the first hit of deep breath. Also works on talons and leap.
Isn't the first hit damage over time, as well as talons?
Nope. They are direct damage.#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?0 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IxskullzxI wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »
It procs on the first hit of deep breath. Also works on talons and leap.
Isn't the first hit damage over time, as well as talons?
Nope. They are direct damage.
Interesting, sounds like a fun build idea to try.0 -
Merkabeh✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »
Engulfing Flames attack's direct damage portion? And inhale does seem like it would qualify.
Also, on Redguard, it is the passive of stamina return on melee I am looking at. It is a fixed return on hit (3%); in addition to max stamina and stam regen when not blocking. Combined with shacklebreaker, should have stamina needs covered, in theory.Edited by Merkabeh on August 14, 2017 12:22AMCrusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
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Engulfing Flames attack's direct damage portion? And inhale does seem like it would qualify.
Also, on Redguard, it is the passive of stamina return on melee I am looking at. It is a fixed return on hit (3%); in addition to max stamina and stam regen when not blocking. Combined with shacklebreaker, should have stamina needs covered, in theory.
Varen's Legacy + shacklebreaker on Redguard mag DK? You might have stamina needs covered, but your max magicka, spell crit and spell damage would be pretty low.0 -
Merkabeh✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »
Engulfing Flames attack's direct damage portion? And inhale does seem like it would qualify.
Also, on Redguard, it is the passive of stamina return on melee I am looking at. It is a fixed return on hit (3%); in addition to max stamina and stam regen when not blocking. Combined with shacklebreaker, should have stamina needs covered, in theory.
Varen's Legacy + shacklebreaker on Redguard mag DK? You might have stamina needs covered, but your max magicka, spell crit and spell damage would be pretty low.
Nah, Silk's of the Sun and Shacklebreaker is what I'm thinking. With Grothdarr for monster set.
Also, not sure if it will work great, so definitely appreciate your input, will be returning to thread when I start tweaking it for sure. Maybe it will end up being a reroll, who knows.Edited by Merkabeh on August 14, 2017 2:10AMCrusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
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Merkabeh✭✭✭I have another question regarding this; does silks of the sun's 5th ability work on ultimates as well?
I'm using the fire dragon leap and fire magma shell now (so an offensive and a defensive ult, also varying costs for resource gen); since they are both fire, will it get that bonus? If so, that is great!Crusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
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IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭I have another question regarding this; does silks of the sun's 5th ability work on ultimates as well?
I'm using the fire dragon leap and fire magma shell now (so an offensive and a defensive ult, also varying costs for resource gen); since they are both fire, will it get that bonus? If so, that is great!
Yes, silks increases fire damage ult's damage.#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?0 -
SASQUATCH0✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »@IcyDeadPeople
What build are you using to gank people? I'd imagine silks with Alchemist and valkyn? Destro ultimate and proxy det from stealth?
Clever and Queen's Elegance.
I remember watching one of your YouTube videos and tried out the build. I was always curious about your skill/cp setup.0 -
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