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PAYING FOR MAW CLEARS FOR SKINS/LOOT
Shadzilla
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It is well known around the community that helping someone through any sort of PVE content for gold is completely legal, legitimate, and does not break the terms of service. On the other hand... Is it unethical, immoral, or frowned upon? I have had some negative feedback from a few people saying that it should not be done, even though it does not break any rules. I think if a group of players that have attained enough skill/experience over the years and can do some of the hardest PVE content with only 11 players, they should have no regrets about selling their time and skills for gold. Please share opinions!
Edited by Shadzilla on August 12, 2017 11:24PM 29
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WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I say it's alright to buy a clear if they can't find a good group to train/clear with or don't have that time to find people. If you're just lazy, then you don't deserve it."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's alright to buy a clear, but really I wouldn't as i'd feel dirtyEdited by Aliyavana on August 13, 2017 12:00AM7 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Unethical? - Not at all
Immoral? - You are not killing babies
Frowned upon? - Perhaps by a few, but not the vast majority.
Although I wouldn't pay to have someone let me skate through content I was unable to do, I can see many instances where it would make perfect sense. Especially 12 man content. Some people just don't have the friend base or guilds to pull that off without outside assistance.
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's totally legit, and as someone who would rather spend time in Cyro/BG's than PvE progression I would gladly pay a hefty fee for vet trial carries (hint hint for anyone lurking)6 -
Fang_of_Lorkhaj✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »How much is this going for ? For you know educational purposes
About 100k for each person involved in the carry11 -
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✭✭As a full time pvp guild leader. Just never have the time to perfect my pve rotations. Not interested in doing pve either.
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✭Part of me wishes this was more wide spread...But honestly not that many ppl buy runs. Running trials doesn't make a lot of gold (the liquid gold usually breaks even or slight profit over repair and potion costs).Make PC NA raiding great again!
Down with drama!
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Wrecking_Blow_Spam✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't mind one bit, If the person really likes the skin/title and is willing to pay for it then that's cool by me.
Only the salty minority will look down on them and let's be honest it's usually best to ignore their opinions.
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✭✭✭✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »I say it's alright to buy a clear if they can't find a good group to train/clear with or don't have that time to find people. If you're just lazy, then you don't deserve it.
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People who run Vet trials burn tons of gold on spell/weapon pots, repairs, and soul gems. This especially applies in progression runs.
If ZOS allowed gear from these trials to be BoE again then prices on carries would drop quite a lot since raiders wouldn't generally be so poor and need the cash. Also there'd be far more interest in endgame and create far more groups that can carry = more competition = lower prices per carry. Js18 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »JamieAubrey wrote: »How much is this going for ? For you know educational purposes
About 100k for each person involved in the carry
1.2m is actually extremely cheap, you could be getting a fair amount more gold per run. After repair/potion costs ect 100k per player drops down to a much lower figure pretty quickly. We are usually around 2m per run. Takes a good hour or two for 12 players when you include organizing times that work for everyone etc.
EDIT: Just noticed you are on Xbox, and your gold currency is about half the value of ours on PC. I guess your price is pretty accurate, my bad.Edited by Shadzilla on August 13, 2017 12:30AM4 -
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✭✭I don't really have an opinion on this to be fair...
Plus I mean even if someone gets carried they still get a pretty thourough impression of the mechanics on the boss fights, so its not like its not beneficial for a player beyond the skin. The more people that get to experience this content, the more raiding guilds will there be, the larger the PvE Endgame community will become. Its beneficial for everyone.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't want the reward if I didn't earn it . It's the same as buying a trophy and putting it up on a shelf for everyone to see . Lame .24 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Although I wouldn't pay to have someone let me skate through content I was unable to do,
You do realize that's the consensus right there. "I don't see the problem, even though I'd never do it." But then you look around and see everyone else saying the same thing. Everyone thinks it isn't wrong, but everyone wouldn't do it themselves. Which begs the question. Is it REALLY not wrong? If that's how the majority feels?CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭It's fine
But at this point I have no regard for
anyone with the skin. There have been so many exploits with MAW that it's literally impossible to tell if they earned it or not. I've kicked people with the skin in my groups because they had no idea how some mechanics work in some trials I did. lol just got so annoyed with them gloating about their skin and dying and making excuses that I don't care about skins anymore. It's just luck/rng/ exploits now.
I've seen cp 200 with it and there's no way they had enough gold or skill to complete maw. They didn't even have a monster set. Very clear how they got it. Lol8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »I say it's alright to buy a clear if they can't find a good group to train/clear with or don't have that time to find people. If you're just lazy, then you don't deserve it.
What's the point though?
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✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Although I wouldn't pay to have someone let me skate through content I was unable to do,
You do realize that's the consensus right there. "I don't see the problem, even though I'd never do it." But then you look around and see everyone else saying the same thing. Everyone thinks it isn't wrong, but everyone wouldn't do it themselves. Which begs the question. Is it REALLY not wrong? If that's how the majority feels?
It really isn't wrong. Some people wouldn't buy a clear because they want to do it as someone pulling their weight (pride), some wouldn't do it because the price is too steep (frugal), and some wouldn't do it because they honestly couldn't be bothered to run PvE content at all, much less pay to do so (different interests).
It's where you put your values at. I value my gold and my time elsewhere, I don't mind if people are openly doing this. Only time ZOS will step in is if you give your account info to another to let them run your toon- don't do that and you won't break ToS.Edited by DocFrost72 on August 13, 2017 1:43AM6 -
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✭✭✭People get carried in groups all the time, some not even knowing they are... Whether or not they pay is the only difference.
I know at one point I was against this kind of thing, but as of this moment I am failing to see the harm.Runs| Orc Nightblade • Chim-el Adabal| Dunmer Templar • M'air the Honest| Khajiit Templar
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However if you show up with the skin in an dungeon doing LA with bow it would just look idiotic.Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »I don't mind one bit, If the person really likes the skin/title and is willing to pay for it then that's cool by me.
Only the salty minority will look down on them and let's be honest it's usually best to ignore their opinions.
Kind of driving an Ferrari so slow you make queue.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭It is well known around the community that helping someone through any sort of PVE content for gold is completely legal, legitimate, and does not break the terms of service. On the other hand... Is it unethical, immoral, or frowned upon? I have had some negative feedback from a few people saying that it should not be done, even though it does not break any rules. I think if a group of players that have attained enough skill/experience over the years and can do some of the hardest PVE content with only 11 players, they should have no regrets about selling their time and skills for gold. Please share opinions!
...Can you help me? LMFAO.****Master Healer...****0 -
Shadzilla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thealteregoroman wrote: »It is well known around the community that helping someone through any sort of PVE content for gold is completely legal, legitimate, and does not break the terms of service. On the other hand... Is it unethical, immoral, or frowned upon? I have had some negative feedback from a few people saying that it should not be done, even though it does not break any rules. I think if a group of players that have attained enough skill/experience over the years and can do some of the hardest PVE content with only 11 players, they should have no regrets about selling their time and skills for gold. Please share opinions!
...Can you help me? LMFAO.
If you have a PC NA account, sure.0 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭It is well known around the community that helping someone through any sort of PVE content for gold is completely legal, legitimate, and does not break the terms of service. On the other hand... Is it unethical, immoral, or frowned upon? I have had some negative feedback from a few people saying that it should not be done, even though it does not break any rules. I think if a group of players that have attained enough skill/experience over the years and can do some of the hardest PVE content with only 11 players, they should have no regrets about selling their time and skills for gold. Please share opinions!
If those who have legit earned the skin and title don't feel their achievement is somehow devalued by it - and that's who's doing the carry, right, so apparently this isn't an issue - can't think why I'd care if people do this or no. The closest analogy I can think of that might have meaning for me is somebody paying gold to get a PvP title (and dye, lol). I would not be impressed, and I sure as hell wouldn't do it, but it's not immoral. It's just not that important.Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.3 -
Nova Sky✭✭✭✭✭Eh. Whatever floats folks' boats is fine by me. Personally, I'd rather *earn* the skin or drops in question, but that's just me."Wheresoever you go, go with all of your heart."7
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