jgruberman wrote: »

Alcast says this will be the new BiS for MagSorcs.... but curious about what will change between today and HotR release that will enable this to be BiS... anyone know? Also, how will the Necro/Ilambris/Moondancer build compare?

What is "this"?

Did you see this?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365185/magicka-dps-set-bonus-comparison-math/p1

alcast site seems to be down at the moment.

Rouven wrote: »

Did you see this?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365185/magicka-dps-set-bonus-comparison-math/p1

alcast site seems to be down at the moment.

No, I hadn't seen that before today. Is that data pre or post HotR? It's a ridiculous amount of data to take in, at the point where I'm having trouble understanding some of it. Will have to take time to figure it out.

dpencil1 wrote: »

He did a bunch of dps parses on a 3mil dummy on the pts and had the best results with that. Many things are changing in HotR: trait, mundus, gear bonuses. Just about all of the major dps sets are now within about 2% difference from each other, though Necro did receive a pretty substantial nerf and is currently at the bottom of the pack dps-wise. With a significant increase in potential crit from bonuses, proc sets are less desirable because they do not crit.

If you haven't checked out my magicka set comparison thread, you should go do that:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365185/magicka-dps-set-bonus-comparison-math/p1

It's your thread I linked above

Edit: Which is awesome btw!

Probably the best choices for PvE dps will be:
Iceheart - Crit bonus
Domihaus - Magicka/Stamina bonus
Molag Kena - Spell/Wep Dmg bonus

...or Ilambris/Grothdarr/Infernal Guardian if you only care about the Magicka bonus

Which works best for you will depend what kind of stat best synergizes with the rest of your build. The difference will be very small in either case though.

Stam players will use Kragh most of the time, I think. I can't say for sure.

Crit set bonuses were increased 55%, and Mother's Sorrow got a buff to the 5-piece. You can get 21% from that set alone. You can get almost 100% crit on a mag Sorc now, which before was unthinkable. So things that don't crit are less favorable in that environment.

jgruberman wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

proc sets are less desirable because they do not crit.

I missed this in my original reply... is this something that is changing with HotR? Or has this always been the case?

It's been changed a while back (Homestead perhaps? I don't remember exactly) mainly for PvP reasons. So not HotR change but also hasn't always been the case

dpencil1 wrote: »

If you are using 100% lightning damage Netch will be very strong. Your Liquid lightning, Blockade of storms, and Heavy attacks will all get boosted quite a bit, which are all AOE.

When you say(and your post) 100% lightning damage... Does that mean both lightning weapons and lightning enchants?

dpencil1 wrote: »

That means that whatever sources of damage you do, the more they are lightning, the stronger Netch's benefit will be for you. In the charts on my post I was assuming 100% of all the damage you do was lightning. If you do a parse using Combat Metrics and use a few other sources of damage, like fire or magic damage, you need to make sure the total amount of damage you are doing is made up of at least 75% lightning damage. Less than that, and you would have been better off with Julianos.

That makes sense. Is there any way to calculate that on console? I know PC has that window that shows each damage type and total damage done and by which, etc.. not sure whether there's a way to definitively calc that for console or not

I said like 200000 times there is NO best in slot.

jgruberman wrote: »

dpencil1 wrote: »

That means that whatever sources of damage you do, the more they are lightning, the stronger Netch's benefit will be for you. In the charts on my post I was assuming 100% of all the damage you do was lightning. If you do a parse using Combat Metrics and use a few other sources of damage, like fire or magic damage, you need to make sure the total amount of damage you are doing is made up of at least 75% lightning damage. Less than that, and you would have been better off with Julianos.

That makes sense. Is there any way to calculate that on console? I know PC has that window that shows each damage type and total damage done and by which, etc.. not sure whether there's a way to definitively calc that for console or not

Sadly, no addon on console to help with that. You can look at the tooltips for what skills you use. If all of them are lightning then there you go. If using Shooting Star rather than Thunderous Rage, that's 9-10% not effected by Netch. Each Force Pulse source is usually about 2-2.5%. So say 4-5% from the fire and ice hits not effected. Crystal Frags might be 3-4%. It's variable depending how much it procs. So that's 16-19% of your total damage not getting boosted by Netch. About 6-9% more damage from burning status effect, a monster set like Grothdarr, etc. and you're tied with Julianos. So it depends on the kind of skills you want to use.

Alcast wrote: »

jgruberman wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

I said like 200000 times there is NO best in slot.

I should have rephrased and said: "Alcast shows this gear for a MagSorc". Not only would that have been more accurate for what you portrayed, but would have been a better representation of what I meant to convey.

Well I guess if you want tons of answer you gotta throw BiS in there haha

I've grown so accustomed to going to your website and clicking on my class and saying "Okay, that's the best... that's what I'm going to do", it's made me lazy to understanding what's going on behind the scenes. Alcast spoiled me and damn HotR making me work for my gaming!.....

Gonna use 5x sorrow, 4 ia, 1 kena, 1 iceheart for HTORHOTR

Still 1+ for the awseome video