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Essense Thief META !!!
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kaorunandrak✭✭✭why shacklebreaker if going Ww
The extra magic resources are useful for the heal. I embrace the shackle breaker choice wholeheartedly , just not essence thief. I think there are much more powerful options instead of essence thief such as getting tons more resources increasing skill usage/damage using Draugr hulk/Bone pirate.
If more "damage boosts" is what they are looking for there far more effective sets such as Afflicted, Ravager, 7th legion, or Fury. Hell I might even suggest Black rose, Druegh King (for more freedom with potions while in WW form), or possibly berserking warrior, twice fanged serpent/quick serpent, hell even the salvation set.
I just can't recommend essence thief, normally I try to stay out of people builds cause I like doing my own thing as well, but I have spent a lot of time trying to make essence thief work in the past but the set is just too nonfunctional and down right detrimental to not say using it is a huge mistake and will drain all fun from that character.Guild Leader of The Crimson Moon PVE/PVP NA
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Bladerunner1✭✭✭✭In my testing, the orb floats away until it hits an obstacle like a wall or piece of furniture. So it very well could be the meta for fighting inside broom closets and holes in the ground.2 -
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✭overclocker303b14_ESO wrote: »Please post a video of this build in vet SO I'd really like to see it in action.
Are you ok? Why would someone use WW in trial? Let alone 5 heavy shacklebreaker with 1h and shield??
Ya i can tell you do plenty trials
This is pvp dude..Edited by Ihatenightblades on August 9, 2017 7:23PM2 -
kaorunandrak✭✭✭Bladerunner1 wrote: »In my testing, the orb floats away until it hits an obstacle like a wall or piece of furniture. So it very well could be the meta for fighting inside broom closets and holes in the ground.
Closet WW, is that a sex thing? lol Guild Leader of The Crimson Moon PVE/PVP NA
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KeiruNicrom✭✭✭✭✭Now you see i would be inclined to try this build if not for essence thief. That set is so wonky not just in where the runes spawn but also the pickup radius. Sometimes you can be a couple feet away and get it. Sometimes you are right on it and it doesnt work. In pvp its worse due to the many effects on screen essentially making the rune invisible amongst all the flashy lights.
If ZOS ever changes essence thief to be a ball of essence that circles the enemy or is tethered to them then i could see it being more feasible. Actually a tether from the proc to yourself wouldnt be bad either. That way you know exactly where it is. As is i would rather run VO and rely on getting the kill for stam return and a speed buff1 -
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Plus minor defile is 20% with 40% major defile with cp that's 60%give or takeIhatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »lonewolf26 wrote: »The essence of this build is flawed. Sounds like a fun/challenge build to run, but not something I'd expect to see as meta unless 1. Essence Thief's proc is improved or 2. ESO becomes Pac- Man Online.
I mean people use impregnable set and that set LITERALLY gives nothing idc what you say.
I would rather run all impen with 25 pts into crit resist than run that waste of set. Yet people call it meta LOL.
Na but for real you are overlooking the set.
The 4pc set is great 2 stam bonus with weapon dmg.
The 5th piece has a chance whether you like it or not on a WW to proc quite a lot. Lets say half of the runes spawn at a reasonable location thats still a strong set you get 3 things from it. Health stamina and 12 percent dmg increase.
Like is i said may not be meta but strong build forsure especially with 100% uptime on on a 85% healing debuff ( not that that has anything to do with essense thief ) but essense thief goes good with a WW that spams La for bleed dmg
What if I would tell You there is no crit resist cap ?
Impregnable can be usefull because it gives more crit resist then 7x impen so You can go other traits like well fitted , divines etc. So You can gte sturdy and basicly perma blocking , well fitted and prema dodging , infused and get more stats while still having 700 more crit resist then with 7x impen pieces. When You have something like 4,5k+ crit resist even on CP campaigns classes like nb will have 0% dmg bonus from crits.
On the seconds hand Essence Thief is average set. That essence spawns randomly usually too far from enemie to be worth running there and collecting it because noone will be waiting for You to taking it and usually people will get You on low hp before You get essence so instead of attacking You'll be forced to survive. It can be good build for fun but definietly not a meta. You cant rely on it even in 1v1 because essence can spawn in bad moment or inside things like sorc mines etc.
Also I dont know how You want to reach 85% healing reduction. For Your knowledge Befoul passives is not additive but multiplicative with healing debuffs so if maxed You'll get almost 47% not 85% from Major Defile.
Major defile is 37% cp is 50%. Am i missing something?
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IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭why shacklebreaker if going Ww
Coz u get nice magica and stamina substain. I use it on my stamblade ww myself. On my warden i have to use agility since im running 2h and 1h plus shield.
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I had some thoughts a few weeks back of combining Essence thief with a WW build so OP you´re not the first (not implying I´m the first either). Did some tests with Essence thief and it´s on of the shittiest set in the game at the moment. Let me explain why:
* It can only proc on light attacks. Sure if you plan to play WW that might be finns since your light attacks deal ok-ish damage, but it´s still a lackluster to be honest
* There´s something very fishy about the proc-rate of this set. It states 15% but from my experience from testing (spend an entire day lightattack my dummy testing this set.....RIP 17-07-15) it´s much lower.
* Even though the tooltip doesn´t say anything about being able to proc more than once every 10 seconds, I rarely got it to proc more than that.
* When the essence spawn (looks more like a rune to be honest) it mover away from the enemie you light attacked and you´ve to run to it to pick it up. In a PvP situation I see no usage of a set where I´ve to run away from my enemy to get a boost.
* Only the user of Essence thief set can pick up the essence. If other friendly players would´ve been able to pick it up it might have been a good set for Group play.
With all these reasons mentioned above I won´t use Essence thief until ZOS fix/buff the *** out of this set.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Essence there is bad man. Honestly, it'll just hinder you.
Plus werewolf will never be meta. It leaves you really vurneable in anything other than 1v1. Outnumbered against good players, WWs get chewed up.Edited by Brrrofski on August 10, 2017 6:57AM0 -
DeathHouseInc✭✭✭I recently had this set in mind for a certain build. This thread has made me laugh that thought away.0
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✭✭WW duration limitation is sick...
I agree , it will never be a meta , unlike Vampire.0 -
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But more so a WW.
No dodge roll, no snare removal and heals with wrong resource puts you at a huge disadvantage.
And by good, I mean competent. Anyone with a brain can kill a WW 2 on 1.Edited by Brrrofski on August 10, 2017 7:39AM0 -
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But more so a WW.
No dodge roll, no snare removal and heals with wrong resource puts you at a huge disadvantage.
And by good, I mean competent. Anyone with a brain can kill a WW 2 on 1.
You can "roll-Dodge" as a WW
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✭✭✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »
But won't you lose the set bonus in WW form? It's been awhile since I've played WW but I could have sworn you lose whatever weapon slot items in the transformation and their set bonuses.Runs| Orc Nightblade • Chim-el Adabal| Dunmer Templar • M'air the Honest| Khajiit Templar
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Ryan1704✭✭✭Unless essence thief has been changed so that the 5 piece effect happens automatically I don't think that set would be of any use really. Which is a shame because on paper it looks great0 -
MaselClass RepresentativeThey should make it work like the blue orbs on rakkhat, those that are attached to you and let the resources be restored over the period of 10 seconds while it is attached to the player. But it'd probably need a nerf if it becomes that reliable.
So basically like:
When you deal damage with a Light or Heavy Attack, you have a 15% chance to restore 300 Health and Stamina every second and increase your damage done by 12% for 10 seconds. This effect can only happen every 10 seconds.Edited by Masel on August 10, 2017 9:43PMPC EU
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✭✭✭✭✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »
Plus minor defile is 20% with 40% major defile with cp that's 60%give or takeIhatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »lonewolf26 wrote: »The essence of this build is flawed. Sounds like a fun/challenge build to run, but not something I'd expect to see as meta unless 1. Essence Thief's proc is improved or 2. ESO becomes Pac- Man Online.
I mean people use impregnable set and that set LITERALLY gives nothing idc what you say.
I would rather run all impen with 25 pts into crit resist than run that waste of set. Yet people call it meta LOL.
Na but for real you are overlooking the set.
The 4pc set is great 2 stam bonus with weapon dmg.
The 5th piece has a chance whether you like it or not on a WW to proc quite a lot. Lets say half of the runes spawn at a reasonable location thats still a strong set you get 3 things from it. Health stamina and 12 percent dmg increase.
Like is i said may not be meta but strong build forsure especially with 100% uptime on on a 85% healing debuff ( not that that has anything to do with essense thief ) but essense thief goes good with a WW that spams La for bleed dmg
What if I would tell You there is no crit resist cap ?
Impregnable can be usefull because it gives more crit resist then 7x impen so You can go other traits like well fitted , divines etc. So You can gte sturdy and basicly perma blocking , well fitted and prema dodging , infused and get more stats while still having 700 more crit resist then with 7x impen pieces. When You have something like 4,5k+ crit resist even on CP campaigns classes like nb will have 0% dmg bonus from crits.
On the seconds hand Essence Thief is average set. That essence spawns randomly usually too far from enemie to be worth running there and collecting it because noone will be waiting for You to taking it and usually people will get You on low hp before You get essence so instead of attacking You'll be forced to survive. It can be good build for fun but definietly not a meta. You cant rely on it even in 1v1 because essence can spawn in bad moment or inside things like sorc mines etc.
Also I dont know how You want to reach 85% healing reduction. For Your knowledge Befoul passives is not additive but multiplicative with healing debuffs so if maxed You'll get almost 47% not 85% from Major Defile.
Major defile is 37% cp is 50%. Am i missing something?
Minor is 15 major is 30 , You can increase those values by over half thx for Cp's and You would have to find reliable source of minor Defile. Atm only 2 things proc Minor Defile , Fasala Guilde set or Disease dmg status effect.Edited by Juhasow on August 10, 2017 10:26PM0 -
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✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »
But won't you lose the set bonus in WW form? It's been awhile since I've played WW but I could have sworn you lose whatever weapon slot items in the transformation and their set bonuses.
No. Wrong. Before i try this build i am currently running 5 shackle 5 shield breaker ( shield breaker jewelry and weapon and shield ) and my light attacks do 2k damage to shield users.
Its actually really OP because the ticks are faster than any other light attacks including bows.
For example one time i happened to wipe a sorc out with one shield cast. I literally drained him with light attacks before the 6 second duration was up on the shield xD.
But shield breaker sucks against non shield stackers so im lookin for good replacement
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✭✭✭✭✭If ZOS changed the set so the "Essence" is transferred directly to you automatically every proc, then yeah that set would be fantastic and an instant BiS gear. But because how it is no one wants to touch it.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »
Plus minor defile is 20% with 40% major defile with cp that's 60%give or takeIhatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »lonewolf26 wrote: »The essence of this build is flawed. Sounds like a fun/challenge build to run, but not something I'd expect to see as meta unless 1. Essence Thief's proc is improved or 2. ESO becomes Pac- Man Online.
I mean people use impregnable set and that set LITERALLY gives nothing idc what you say.
I would rather run all impen with 25 pts into crit resist than run that waste of set. Yet people call it meta LOL.
Na but for real you are overlooking the set.
The 4pc set is great 2 stam bonus with weapon dmg.
The 5th piece has a chance whether you like it or not on a WW to proc quite a lot. Lets say half of the runes spawn at a reasonable location thats still a strong set you get 3 things from it. Health stamina and 12 percent dmg increase.
Like is i said may not be meta but strong build forsure especially with 100% uptime on on a 85% healing debuff ( not that that has anything to do with essense thief ) but essense thief goes good with a WW that spams La for bleed dmg
What if I would tell You there is no crit resist cap ?
Impregnable can be usefull because it gives more crit resist then 7x impen so You can go other traits like well fitted , divines etc. So You can gte sturdy and basicly perma blocking , well fitted and prema dodging , infused and get more stats while still having 700 more crit resist then with 7x impen pieces. When You have something like 4,5k+ crit resist even on CP campaigns classes like nb will have 0% dmg bonus from crits.
On the seconds hand Essence Thief is average set. That essence spawns randomly usually too far from enemie to be worth running there and collecting it because noone will be waiting for You to taking it and usually people will get You on low hp before You get essence so instead of attacking You'll be forced to survive. It can be good build for fun but definietly not a meta. You cant rely on it even in 1v1 because essence can spawn in bad moment or inside things like sorc mines etc.
Also I dont know how You want to reach 85% healing reduction. For Your knowledge Befoul passives is not additive but multiplicative with healing debuffs so if maxed You'll get almost 47% not 85% from Major Defile.
Major defile is 37% cp is 50%. Am i missing something?
Minor is 15 major is 30 , You can increase those values by over half thx for Cp's and You would have to find reliable source of minor Defile. Atm only 2 things proc Minor Defile , Fasala Guilde set or Disease dmg status effect.
WW ability grants major..0 -
Nighn_9✭✭✭✭✭I got rid of all of mine, but I wish i would've tested if allies are able to collect the rune too.0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They should make it work like the blue orbs on rakkhat, those that are attached to you and let the resources be restored over the period of 10 seconds while it is attached to the player. But it'd probably need a nerf if it becomes that reliable.
So basically like:
When you deal damage with a Light or Heavy Attack, you have a 15% chance to restore 300 Health and Stamina every second and increase your damage done by 12% for 10 seconds. This effect can only happen every 10 seconds.
Not a bad idea to be honest
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