It's simply bad attitude. I've been PMd a few times out of the blue by people wanting me to help them grind CP. I never gave them anything but a few shovels of coarse salt. I've seen way too many max CP potatoes to help create more. I'd rather take a CP160 player who actually played the game as he should have than a max CP Skyreach grinder. Those people are complete fools.

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

These days every new player I meet seems to be obsessed with cp grinds. We have those dolmen zergs, people buying Skyreach carry (for cps, not for new characters), etc etc.
And maybe its just me and my (bad) luck, but it seems theres much more cp300+ noobs than ever before. And by "noobs" I mean players who fail at basic game mechanics, like blocking or moving out of red circles, let alone dps rotations and other "complicated" things. Maybe those players bought their accounts, but honestly I dont think its that common.
And then there is another problem - many players who are just grinding to the cap become burned out, they lose interest in the game without actually trying it (I mean stuff like quests, dungeons, pvp). Thats not just my assumptions, I often craft for newbies in /z and try to help them out... Many of them were so eager to hit the cap, and quit at cp160ish. Of course, I'm not claiming thats true for every new player, but I think I'm not the only one who noticed that lately.
I really think something needs to be done about this cp obsession.

You really think something needs to be done about this 'cp obsession'?

Here's an idea -- eliminate all power bonuses from CP. Make it so beyond CP160 NO ONE gets any further advantage. That will give players time to focus on learning mechanics. Give high CP players more bank space, more gold rewards, mount rewards, eye candy, whatever. But you shouldn't get a statistical advantage just for having high CP.

You're absolutely right that players are focused on grinding CP, rather than learning mechanics. That happens because the power boost you get from CP is INSANE. The difference between 160CP and 630CP. You get a flat 10% stat boost and even more damage/sustain. It's an unfair advantage, which is why people grind for it.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Medakon wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

This is what I don't get..what are they all rushing to?

They bypass the good content to get to a place that has less.(end game) it's weird

Plus grinders then moan about lore books and skyshards. If you clear a zone as Intended it's good XP and you get all that stuff on the way.

If your a hardcore player, you want a shortcut to get straight into the endgame. However, if your not max cp, you have no chance to reaching nr 1 on the leaderbords for raids. And you need to grind months to actually reach this content. Not talking about casuals, but real gamers that actually compete against eachother. I'm talking about players who spends hours on min-max every single stats just to push that extra damage, and if ur not max cp, good luck with that becuase other outpreform you by 15-30% dmg. Those % has alot to say if you wanna be the best, thats why there is no endgame competition in this game anymore, because all PvE guilds left along time ago, because they dont wanna join this grind party.

Also keep in mind, when they first released champion exp, there was no limits on max lvl, so it killed their hardcore players, so only casuals stays to smell flowers, or roleplay, PvP, or wannabe PvE.

That's simply not the focus of this game - and never has been.

You are playing the wrong game. It's not designed that way at all.

Vet trial groups / guilds has an dps requirements not an cp requirement.
If you do just below minimum dps at cp160 or lower they would want you anyway of obvious reasons.

Pugs often want an minimum cp as its an indicator on gear and experience, yes an cp630 might well be an scrub but its less likely than an cp200.

AlMcFly wrote: »

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These are the same type of people who belong to massive multi-game elite communities, moving from game to game like a plague of locusts.

lol @ plague of locusts. What a perfect description of that sect of gamers.

CP rank can only be used to measure time spent gaining XP and nothing more. It's not and never was a measurement of skill. There's plenty of people out there who have max CP from just questing on numerous characters and still don't grasp what others might think of as skilled play.

The game does next to nothing to teach you how to play your character beyond whats shown to you in the tutorial. Light Attack, heavy attack, block, interrupt. Every player has the same ability to learn this or ignore this regardless of whether they got their CP via questing or as a 'Skyreach baby'.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Medakon wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

This is what I don't get..what are they all rushing to?

They bypass the good content to get to a place that has less.(end game) it's weird

Plus grinders then moan about lore books and skyshards. If you clear a zone as Intended it's good XP and you get all that stuff on the way.

If your a hardcore player, you want a shortcut to get straight into the endgame. However, if your not max cp, you have no chance to reaching nr 1 on the leaderbords for raids. And you need to grind months to actually reach this content. Not talking about casuals, but real gamers that actually compete against eachother. I'm talking about players who spends hours on min-max every single stats just to push that extra damage, and if ur not max cp, good luck with that becuase other outpreform you by 15-30% dmg. Those % has alot to say if you wanna be the best, thats why there is no endgame competition in this game anymore, because all PvE guilds left along time ago, because they dont wanna join this grind party.

Also keep in mind, when they first released champion exp, there was no limits on max lvl, so it killed their hardcore players, so only casuals stays to smell flowers, or roleplay, PvP, or wannabe PvE.

That's simply not the focus of this game - and never has been.

You are playing the wrong game. It's not designed that way at all.

What are you talking about, this game is so heavily focused on numbers and math that it automatically brings out minmaxing because of that.
There are currently 5 trials, 1 solo arena, 1 4 man arena. All of which have leaderboards and players compete there all the time.

The issue is that once teams disband and a vast amount of players leave, which is bound to happen players come and go, it's just that to fill those players spots is increasingly hard because of the sheer amount of time it even takes to get to the level requirement ontop of a gear grind.

The game is fine to be competitive with, totally fine. There is just 1 thing holding it back a little to keep the end game PvE filled with players.

Sorry to break it to you this is an MMO, not a solo game where you quest online. When you make an MMO you include all aspects of it to appeal to every player.

SoLooney wrote: »

Yes, the term is skyreach babies. They dont bother to slot abilities needed for dps rotation and thats why you see so many noobs light and heavy attacking cause they never needed to use skills in skyreach. same with mechanics, they never have to block, roll dodge etc, they go oops i died, ill rez once the train of mobs is dead or ill get rezed.
Extremely frustrating in dungeons when you can clearly spot a skyreach scrub who cant pull their own weight and expect to be carried. They get das boot real quick.

That can just as easily be somebody who leveled from doing quests. Overland PVE certainly doesn't require blocking, roll dodging, nor any kind of specific build or rotation.

If they want to participate in PVP or endgame PVE, everybody has to start learning at some point, and only way to learn is spending time in PVP or endgame PVE. (or watching some videos I suppose)

Why does it make any difference what level somebody is or how much CP they have when they start learning how to do these things? Been playing since beta and in my case I just started learning how to do PVE dungeons a couple months ago, at 700+CP.

SoLooney wrote: »

Yes, the term is skyreach babies. They dont bother to slot abilities needed for dps rotation and thats why you see so many noobs light and heavy attacking cause they never needed to use skills in skyreach. same with mechanics, they never have to block, roll dodge etc, they go oops i died, ill rez once the train of mobs is dead or ill get rezed.
Extremely frustrating in dungeons when you can clearly spot a skyreach scrub who cant pull their own weight and expect to be carried. They get das boot real quick.

This was happening well before grinding skyreach was a thing, and happening before Champion Points even existed. It is going to happen regardless of whether someone was power leveled via the skyreach grind or if they just played it as a solo game working their way through all the story content.

That's not to say all your "skyreach babies" and solo players don't know any better, just trying to say that the issue did and would still exist even if the grind didn't exist.

Some folks are content playing the game like it's skyrim. Some folks don't know any better.

You then have the folks on the flipside who power grind a new toon through skyreach or any other XP grind but they know what they are doing.

Asardes wrote: »

IMO CP should not have been in the game in the first place. Gear and content should just have been capped at 50 with various levels of gear higher than that for beating content which was "overloaded" for a few levels more with higher health and damage enemies.

WOW use gear level rater than CP, its progression is also very vertical, you have one set for each class with some class share armor types and tanking gear for classes who could tank, gear level was: questing gear, normal dungeon gear, epic (veteran) dungeon gear, raiding gear epic raiding gear.
Gear was pretty easy to get, think ESO gear without traits, you was doing dungeons for the tokens who let you buy raiding gear.
Again PvE need an low level progression. this is not needed in PvP here you want an level playing field.

WTF ever happened to looking at the map to find a Delve or public dungeon, and mopping it up for the funsies? And if you got whupped you asked a Q or two and retried it. These past two weeks I have been poking around the dungeons and delves and hel-ra and such. And I see lots of bow snipes with heavy and light attacks. From all classes. I go to pound on a boss and next thing I know pfft. pfft.pfftpfft. a thousand arrows incoming like I am at an Archery contest. No whispers asking For group, no buffs, utils, or heals even, just those bows.

Everywhere I go I see spams for Skyreach.
Craglorn chat.
Player A: WTS Potent Nirncrux 10k
Player B: GD LAGGGG!!!!!!!!!
Player C: Hey can I get somone to carry me Skyreach for free?
Player Ask a guildie for a free Carry
Player E: 60k I will run you thru
Player B: OMG ZOSSSS LAGGGG
Player A: ^
Player L: WTB Skyreach have gold
Player What level PVP for CatTraps?

No Sh** this is Craglorn chat but condensed.

To help a Group one must be able to help themselves first. Not get carried. One does not need top tier sets to learn mechanics. one just needs an open mind. Or in my case an open beer some freshly rolled J's and a notebook for notes.
Be humble and willing to learn.

But what I am perceiving from my past two weeks of running around is some new people are doing the least amount of work. I.E Tagging the boss with a few heavy and light attacks. Just enough to get XP and loot.

Was I just severely stoned or did we not used to have a 10percent damage cap for loot tables?

I just log off now and go to a different character elsewhere.


PSA: Nords are best kept in Cages with their Argonian betters.

SoLooney wrote: »

Yes, the term is skyreach babies. They dont bother to slot abilities needed for dps rotation and thats why you see so many noobs light and heavy attacking cause they never needed to use skills in skyreach. same with mechanics, they never have to block, roll dodge etc, they go oops i died, ill rez once the train of mobs is dead or ill get rezed.
Extremely frustrating in dungeons when you can clearly spot a skyreach scrub who cant pull their own weight and expect to be carried. They get das boot real quick.

Granted you can go trough all the quests and overland content, doing everything spamming snipe or frag.

Normal dungeons works most of the time, you have alts in good crated set who know how to play, you have high cp players farming or grinding. The fails is because healer, tank and other dd, never you,
This also work in easy veteran dungeons if the others are decent. Then you hit fungal 2