Essense Thief META !!!

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

5 shacklebreaker
5 essense thief
1 domihaus
1 pirate skeleton
5 heavy 1 light 1 medium

Double snb Werewolf build

U heard it hear first

Also like to add you can reduce healing with WW by up to 85% with CP and claws.

And with WW animation being smoother i can see WW being a thing again.

The only thing i dont know is if essense thief is effected by battle spirit. The health part that is.

Anyways here's description of the sets.
Essense thief
(2 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Light Attack, you have a 15% chance to draw essence from an enemy. Collecting the essence heals you 4300 Health, Stamina and increases your damage by 12% for 10 seconds.

Shacklebreaker
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery and Stamina Recovery

(5 items) Adds 2000 Max Magicka and Max Stamina.

Pirate skeleton

(1 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(1 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

1pc domihaus
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

This is only theory crafted atm but i can guarantee it will be a strong build if not meta.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

5 shacklebreaker
5 essense thief
1 domihaus
1 pirate skeleton
5 heavy 1 light 1 medium

Double snb Werewolf build

U heard it hear first

Also like to add you can reduce healing with WW by up to 85% with CP and claws.

And with WW animation being smoother i can see WW being a thing again.

The only thing i dont know is if essense thief is effected by battle spirit. The health part that is.

Anyways here's description of the sets.
Essense thief
(2 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Light Attack, you have a 15% chance to draw essence from an enemy. Collecting the essence heals you 4300 Health, Stamina and increases your damage by 12% for 10 seconds.

Shacklebreaker
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery and Stamina Recovery

(5 items) Adds 2000 Max Magicka and Max Stamina.

Pirate skeleton

(1 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(1 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

1pc domihaus
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

This is only theory crafted atm but i can guarantee it will be a strong build if not meta.

It has been a long time since I messed with essence thief, but if memory serves, dont you physically have to "collect" the essence as it says in the description? I dont think it happens automatically, or maybe I am totally making that up. Not that it would be a deal breaker, but something to think about.

Royaji · August 2017

Yep, the deal breaker for essence thief is the fact that you have to physically collect the ball. And they tend to spawn pretty far from you btw.

Would be fun asking your opponent to wait a moment while you run 10-20 paces back to collect an orb real quick.

kaorunandrak · August 2017

You physically have to collect it and placement is random within a certain radius. Honestly it's not worth it at all. It's a small rune that you have to go find and in mid battle that doesn't work.

In theory it's a fantastic set, however is practice it is almost completely useless, at best it's a fictionally problematic set.

QuebraRegra · August 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

5 shacklebreaker
5 essense thief
1 domihaus
1 pirate skeleton
5 heavy 1 light 1 medium

Double snb Werewolf build

U heard it hear first

Also like to add you can reduce healing with WW by up to 85% with CP and claws.

And with WW animation being smoother i can see WW being a thing again.

The only thing i dont know is if essense thief is effected by battle spirit. The health part that is.

Anyways here's description of the sets.
Essense thief
(2 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Light Attack, you have a 15% chance to draw essence from an enemy. Collecting the essence heals you 4300 Health, Stamina and increases your damage by 12% for 10 seconds.

Shacklebreaker
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery and Stamina Recovery

(5 items) Adds 2000 Max Magicka and Max Stamina.

Pirate skeleton

(1 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(1 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

1pc domihaus
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

This is only theory crafted atm but i can guarantee it will be a strong build if not meta.

It has been a long time since I messed with essence thief, but if memory serves, dont you physically have to "collect" the essence as it says in the description? I dont think it happens automatically, or maybe I am totally making that up. Not that it would be a deal breaker, but something to think about.

almost trashed my old ESSENCE THIEF gear last night... yup, you have to go collect it, and the 'essence" can and will spawn in the damndest places (behind walls, otherwise inaccessible, etc.). Unless somethings changed it's one of those useless sets that the ZOS team needs to look at. Also inefficient LA proc if I recall. Should at least proc on any damage (DOT, etc.)

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

5 shacklebreaker
5 essense thief
1 domihaus
1 pirate skeleton
5 heavy 1 light 1 medium

Double snb Werewolf build

U heard it hear first

Also like to add you can reduce healing with WW by up to 85% with CP and claws.

And with WW animation being smoother i can see WW being a thing again.

The only thing i dont know is if essense thief is effected by battle spirit. The health part that is.

Anyways here's description of the sets.
Essense thief
(2 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Light Attack, you have a 15% chance to draw essence from an enemy. Collecting the essence heals you 4300 Health, Stamina and increases your damage by 12% for 10 seconds.

Shacklebreaker
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery and Stamina Recovery

(5 items) Adds 2000 Max Magicka and Max Stamina.

Pirate skeleton

(1 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(1 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

1pc domihaus
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

This is only theory crafted atm but i can guarantee it will be a strong build if not meta.

It has been a long time since I messed with essence thief, but if memory serves, dont you physically have to "collect" the essence as it says in the description? I dont think it happens automatically, or maybe I am totally making that up. Not that it would be a deal breaker, but something to think about.

No you are right you have to collect but with WW you weave plenty light attacks and since you are already in their face its always gonna be easy to grab unless in a 1vx situation.

However i dont 1vx since its pretty situational on how the outcome will turn out but in a small group and 1v1 man i can see this build giving people hard time.

It has a ton of sustain if you can manage to grab those runes whic im sure you will be able to

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2017

That's what I thought. I remember people hyping this set for Stam VMA builds early on. Then people actually tested the functionality and were like, NOPE! Haha

But hey, give it a go and let us know.

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

5 shacklebreaker
5 essense thief
1 domihaus
1 pirate skeleton
5 heavy 1 light 1 medium

Double snb Werewolf build

U heard it hear first

Also like to add you can reduce healing with WW by up to 85% with CP and claws.

And with WW animation being smoother i can see WW being a thing again.

The only thing i dont know is if essense thief is effected by battle spirit. The health part that is.

Anyways here's description of the sets.
Essense thief
(2 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(5 items) When you deal damage with a Light Attack, you have a 15% chance to draw essence from an enemy. Collecting the essence heals you 4300 Health, Stamina and increases your damage by 12% for 10 seconds.

Shacklebreaker
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery and Stamina Recovery

(5 items) Adds 2000 Max Magicka and Max Stamina.

Pirate skeleton

(1 items) Adds 1935 Physical Resistance

(1 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance

1pc domihaus
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(1 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka

This is only theory crafted atm but i can guarantee it will be a strong build if not meta.

It has been a long time since I messed with essence thief, but if memory serves, dont you physically have to "collect" the essence as it says in the description? I dont think it happens automatically, or maybe I am totally making that up. Not that it would be a deal breaker, but something to think about.

almost trashed my old ESSENCE THIEF gear last night... yup, you have to go collect it, and the 'essence" can and will spawn in the damndest places (behind walls, otherwise inaccessible, etc.). Unless somethings changed it's one of those useless sets that the ZOS team needs to look at. Also inefficient LA proc if I recall. Should at least proc on any damage (DOT, etc.)

Ya thats wht you have to run it with WW LA are so good on WW especially with healing reduction at 85% LOL.

Plus 12% damage increase and WW passive when damaging feared enemies its just ridiculous

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

Royaji wrote: »

Yep, the deal breaker for essence thief is the fact that you have to physically collect the ball. And they tend to spawn pretty far from you btw.

Would be fun asking your opponent to wait a moment while you run 10-20 paces back to collect an orb real quick.

The proc rate on WW LA Is so high that you can ignore a few runes and pick up the ones that appear closer to you.

Its really a luxury since it gives a lot back but ya i can see for a non WW it would suck but i think it can be really good damage

QuebraRegra · August 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Yep, the deal breaker for essence thief is the fact that you have to physically collect the ball. And they tend to spawn pretty far from you btw.

Would be fun asking your opponent to wait a moment while you run 10-20 paces back to collect an orb real quick.

The proc rate on WW LA Is so high that you can ignore a few runes and pick up the ones that appear closer to you.

Its really a luxury since it gives a lot back but ya i can see for a non WW it would suck but i think it can be really good damage

y'know what... I have a WW, I'll try it for laughs... thanx.

kylewwefan · August 2017

Sounds good on paper but yeah. That collecting essence thing was very wonky as I remember.

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Yep, the deal breaker for essence thief is the fact that you have to physically collect the ball. And they tend to spawn pretty far from you btw.

Would be fun asking your opponent to wait a moment while you run 10-20 paces back to collect an orb real quick.

The proc rate on WW LA Is so high that you can ignore a few runes and pick up the ones that appear closer to you.

Its really a luxury since it gives a lot back but ya i can see for a non WW it would suck but i think it can be really good damage

y'know what... I have a WW, I'll try it for laughs... thanx.

Yup plus you opponent wont be able to heal for crap with 100% uptime on claws. As long as they arent templars lol

Shadzilla · August 2017

Essence thief and meta are 2 words that should not even be in the same thread let alone sentence. That set is beyond horrible, tested it out 2 years ago and laughed at how bad it was.

lonewolf26 · August 2017

The essence of this build is flawed. Sounds like a fun/challenge build to run, but not something I'd expect to see as meta unless 1. Essence Thief's proc is improved or 2. ESO becomes Pac- Man Online.

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

lonewolf26 wrote: »

The essence of this build is flawed. Sounds like a fun/challenge build to run, but not something I'd expect to see as meta unless 1. Essence Thief's proc is improved or 2. ESO becomes Pac- Man Online.

I mean people use impregnable set and that set LITERALLY gives nothing idc what you say.

I would rather run all impen with 25 pts into crit resist than run that waste of set. Yet people call it meta LOL.

Na but for real you are overlooking the set.

The 4pc set is great 2 stam bonus with weapon dmg.

The 5th piece has a chance whether you like it or not on a WW to proc quite a lot. Lets say half of the runes spawn at a reasonable location thats still a strong set you get 3 things from it. Health stamina and 12 percent dmg increase.

Like is i said may not be meta but strong build forsure especially with 100% uptime on on a 85% healing debuff ( not that that has anything to do with essense thief ) but essense thief goes good with a WW that spams La for bleed dmg

LiquidPony · August 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

lonewolf26 wrote: »

The essence of this build is flawed. Sounds like a fun/challenge build to run, but not something I'd expect to see as meta unless 1. Essence Thief's proc is improved or 2. ESO becomes Pac- Man Online.

I mean people use impregnable set and that set LITERALLY gives nothing idc what you say.

I would rather run all impen with 25 pts into crit resist than run that waste of set. Yet people call it meta LOL.

Na but for real you are overlooking the set.

The 4pc set is great 2 stam bonus with weapon dmg.

The 5th piece has a chance whether you like it or not on a WW to proc quite a lot. Lets say half of the runes spawn at a reasonable location thats still a strong set you get 3 things from it. Health stamina and 12 percent dmg increase.

Like is i said may not be meta but strong build forsure especially with 100% uptime on on a 85% healing debuff ( not that that has anything to do with essense thief ) but essense thief goes good with a WW that spams La for bleed dmg

It's not meta and it's not strong, either.

Essence Thief sucks.

If it were feasible to actually go get the Essence in real combat, this set would've been BiS for all stam DPS builds for ages. But it's not.

I've been holding onto Sharp and Precise Essence Thief weapons for ages, hoping that someday the proc would be modified, and I've tested it numerous times, including at Morrowind launch as a solution to the new sustain issues. It remains as useless as it has ever been.

In PvE, positioning is too important to be running all over the place chasing some little orb. In PvP, you're going to get murked the moment you turn around and run away from your opponent to go pick it up.

Not gonna happen.

Solariken · August 2017

Yep, as others have pointed out Essence Thief is pure garbage. They should at least change it so that the Essence automatically goes to a random group member within 28 meters.

GrumpyDuckling · August 2017

You can't use Destro ultimate while in WW form, therefore I doubt this could be meta. Sounds like a lot of fun, though.

Juhasow · August 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

lonewolf26 wrote: »

The essence of this build is flawed. Sounds like a fun/challenge build to run, but not something I'd expect to see as meta unless 1. Essence Thief's proc is improved or 2. ESO becomes Pac- Man Online.

I mean people use impregnable set and that set LITERALLY gives nothing idc what you say.

I would rather run all impen with 25 pts into crit resist than run that waste of set. Yet people call it meta LOL.

Na but for real you are overlooking the set.

The 4pc set is great 2 stam bonus with weapon dmg.

The 5th piece has a chance whether you like it or not on a WW to proc quite a lot. Lets say half of the runes spawn at a reasonable location thats still a strong set you get 3 things from it. Health stamina and 12 percent dmg increase.

Like is i said may not be meta but strong build forsure especially with 100% uptime on on a 85% healing debuff ( not that that has anything to do with essense thief ) but essense thief goes good with a WW that spams La for bleed dmg

What if I would tell You there is no crit resist cap ?

Impregnable can be usefull because it gives more crit resist then 7x impen so You can go other traits like well fitted , divines etc. So You can gte sturdy and basicly perma blocking , well fitted and prema dodging , infused and get more stats while still having 700 more crit resist then with 7x impen pieces. When You have something like 4,5k+ crit resist even on CP campaigns classes like nb will have 0% dmg bonus from crits.

On the seconds hand Essence Thief is average set. That essence spawns randomly usually too far from enemie to be worth running there and collecting it because noone will be waiting for You to taking it and usually people will get You on low hp before You get essence so instead of attacking You'll be forced to survive. It can be good build for fun but definietly not a meta. You cant rely on it even in 1v1 because essence can spawn in bad moment or inside things like sorc mines etc.

Also I dont know how You want to reach 85% healing reduction. For Your knowledge Befoul passives is not additive but multiplicative with healing debuffs so if maxed You'll get almost 47% not 85% from Major Defile.

lonewolf26 · August 2017

Consider spriggans instead of essence thief, which will give you the same 2, 3 and 4 piece bonuses and armor pen which will help in PvP. The strength of the werewolf is in burst but it's too expensive to sustain indefinitely. Essence thief doesn't return enough to make it helpful, the heal component would be cut by battle spirit ( if not it's bugged) and you've got to effectively disengage to get your regen from the ball. Since the orb would be visible to other players it would also telegraph your next move, making it easier for an enemy to shut you down.

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

lonewolf26 wrote: »

Consider spriggans instead of essence thief, which will give you the same 2, 3 and 4 piece bonuses and armor pen which will help in PvP. The strength of the werewolf is in burst but it's too expensive to sustain indefinitely. Essence thief doesn't return enough to make it helpful, the heal component would be cut by battle spirit ( if not it's bugged) and you've got to effectively disengage to get your regen from the ball. Since the orb would be visible to other players it would also telegraph your next move, making it easier for an enemy to shut you down.

Yes but you want have to run to every rune just the ones that spawn near you .

Ihatenightblades · August 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

lonewolf26 wrote: »

The essence of this build is flawed. Sounds like a fun/challenge build to run, but not something I'd expect to see as meta unless 1. Essence Thief's proc is improved or 2. ESO becomes Pac- Man Online.

I mean people use impregnable set and that set LITERALLY gives nothing idc what you say.

I would rather run all impen with 25 pts into crit resist than run that waste of set. Yet people call it meta LOL.

Na but for real you are overlooking the set.

The 4pc set is great 2 stam bonus with weapon dmg.

The 5th piece has a chance whether you like it or not on a WW to proc quite a lot. Lets say half of the runes spawn at a reasonable location thats still a strong set you get 3 things from it. Health stamina and 12 percent dmg increase.

Like is i said may not be meta but strong build forsure especially with 100% uptime on on a 85% healing debuff ( not that that has anything to do with essense thief ) but essense thief goes good with a WW that spams La for bleed dmg

What if I would tell You there is no crit resist cap ?
Impregnable can be usefull because it gives more crit resist then 7x impen so You can go other traits like well fitted , divines etc. So You can gte sturdy and basicly perma blocking , well fitted and prema dodging , infused and get more stats while still having 700 more crit resist then with 7x impen pieces. When You have something like 4,5k+ crit resist even on CP campaigns classes like nb will have 0% dmg bonus from crits.

On the seconds hand Essence Thief is average set. That essence spawns randomly usually too far from enemie to be worth running there and collecting it because noone will be waiting for You to taking it and usually people will get You on low hp before You get essence so instead of attacking You'll be forced to survive. It can be good build for fun but definietly not a meta. You cant rely on it even in 1v1 because essence can spawn in bad moment or inside things like sorc mines etc.

Also I dont know how You want to reach 85% healing reduction. For Your knowledge Befoul passives is not additive but multiplicative with healing debuffs so if maxed You'll get almost 47% not 85% from Major Defile.

Major defile is 37% cp is 50%. Am i missing something?

ArgonianAustin · August 2017

The claws of life morph is just too powerful to not use though. What if you were fighting in crack wood cave, you could claw like 20 goblins and get like 20 sources of heals.

Juhasow · August 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

lonewolf26 wrote: »

The essence of this build is flawed. Sounds like a fun/challenge build to run, but not something I'd expect to see as meta unless 1. Essence Thief's proc is improved or 2. ESO becomes Pac- Man Online.

I mean people use impregnable set and that set LITERALLY gives nothing idc what you say.

I would rather run all impen with 25 pts into crit resist than run that waste of set. Yet people call it meta LOL.

Na but for real you are overlooking the set.

The 4pc set is great 2 stam bonus with weapon dmg.

The 5th piece has a chance whether you like it or not on a WW to proc quite a lot. Lets say half of the runes spawn at a reasonable location thats still a strong set you get 3 things from it. Health stamina and 12 percent dmg increase.

Like is i said may not be meta but strong build forsure especially with 100% uptime on on a 85% healing debuff ( not that that has anything to do with essense thief ) but essense thief goes good with a WW that spams La for bleed dmg

What if I would tell You there is no crit resist cap ?
Impregnable can be usefull because it gives more crit resist then 7x impen so You can go other traits like well fitted , divines etc. So You can gte sturdy and basicly perma blocking , well fitted and prema dodging , infused and get more stats while still having 700 more crit resist then with 7x impen pieces. When You have something like 4,5k+ crit resist even on CP campaigns classes like nb will have 0% dmg bonus from crits.

On the seconds hand Essence Thief is average set. That essence spawns randomly usually too far from enemie to be worth running there and collecting it because noone will be waiting for You to taking it and usually people will get You on low hp before You get essence so instead of attacking You'll be forced to survive. It can be good build for fun but definietly not a meta. You cant rely on it even in 1v1 because essence can spawn in bad moment or inside things like sorc mines etc.

Also I dont know how You want to reach 85% healing reduction. For Your knowledge Befoul passives is not additive but multiplicative with healing debuffs so if maxed You'll get almost 47% not 85% from Major Defile.

Major defile is 37% cp is 50%. Am i missing something?

Major Defile is 30% Befoul CP is 55% MULTIPLICATIVE with healing debuffs.
Formula is 30% + (55%*30%) = 46,5%
If You dont belive go ahead and spend 100 CP into Befoul and You'll see Your Major Defile tooltip in skills will be 46-47%.

Juhasow · August 2017

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

The claws of life morph is just too powerful to not use though. What if you were fighting in crack wood cave, you could claw like 20 goblins and get like 20 sources of heals.

I think max amount of targets You can heal from is 6.

DeadlyRecluse · August 2017

"Meta" doesn't mean what you think it means. Even if this setup is good, it isn't meta until lots of people are using it.

They aren't.

Bkella · August 2017

Im confused on why OP believes that on WW it would be so much better and proc more than other Stam builds? Yea you are up in their face doing melee dmg........just like every other stam build.

theamazingx · August 2017

I embrace this meta, in the sense that I'll be happy to see high pressure werewolf builds run away from me to chase a ball every 10 seconds.

kojou · August 2017

theamazingx wrote: »

I embrace this meta, in the sense that I'll be happy to see high pressure werewolf builds run away from me to chase a ball every 10 seconds.

<Claps hands and yells " Go get it boy! Good doggy">

All kidding aside, I can see why you think it might work, and maybe it will be good with someone that knows what they are doing, but my tests were similar to others... the thing never spawned in a good place and I felt like I wasted too much time going to get it.

SanTii.92 · August 2017

why shacklebreaker if going Ww

overclocker303b14_ESO · August 2017

Please post a video of this build in vet SO I'd really like to see it in action.