That is the one nice thing about the Veteran Rank grind. You knew a VR12 had a grasp of the game and it's mechanics.







I did not say VR14 or VR16 as they had already started nerfing that process by the time those ranks came out.

I can kind of see grinding to cp 160 so you don't end up with gear you can't use, but people who basically just want to be boosted so they can get into endgame content while ignoring most of the direct or indirect tutorials that teach you how the game works defeat the purpose. I much prefer it to the individual VR grinding, but... I dunno, I feel like a lot of the people who spend most of their time in Skyreach can't see the forest for the trees.

You just cannot do all the hard content in this game unless you are at the CP cap. No one is going to take you in Vet Trials, certain Vet dungeons, and you get slaughtered in CP PVP.

But until you get to max CP, you are stuck with boring normal dungeons that are just too easy and don't teach mechanics. You are stuck with normal trials which are a *** show and also don't teach mechanics. This is pretty boring.

Waffennacht wrote: »

I started a new account just to see wat it's like...

Omg! Daunting!!

Of course players are gonna wanna grind the early levels away. The game doesn't even really start until CP 160+

Well, catch up mechanic is there for a reason. When you reach lvl 50 on a new account, you get enough enlightment to get ~100 cps just by collecting skyshards and doing public dungeon quests (which youre going to do anyway, because you need skill points for any semi-decent build).

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

You just cannot do all the hard content in this game unless you are at the CP cap. No one is going to take you in Vet Trials, certain Vet dungeons, and you get slaughtered in CP PVP.

But until you get to max CP, you are stuck with boring normal dungeons that are just too easy and don't teach mechanics. You are stuck with normal trials which are a *** show and also don't teach mechanics. This is pretty boring.

This is a part of the problem I'm talking about. You cannot do high-end content without experience, and it matters much more than cps. But many people seem to think that high cp rank=everything. Of course, cps help, but I know people who did vMA at 200-something cp (that wasnt a magsorc btw), vMoL with around 300 etc. And on the other hand we have "Daedric lord slayers" with 400-500-600 cps who cant even kill a vet dungeon boss in less than 10 minutes and die to every mechanic and red circle.

Questing also teaches you nothing about the gameplay, so what's the difference? Grinding, questing, getting carried through random dungeons, it's all the same.

The grinding fashion seems a bit weird to me. There was always a long(ish) way to the top, back when it was vet 10, 12, 14, 16 as well, why was it much less of an issue back then? Sure there were some grind spots and stuff but...nowhere near that bad/common, very very few people legit did just that for their first character leveling. Was it that these spots were less common, frequently nerfed soon as ZOS found them out and being non instanced, could only house so many people? Or was it something else?

I can understand grinding some above cp 160 to get to cp numbers where people start taking you seriously. But grinding instead of leveling on very first character?.. There're legit 160 cp+ people who have never done a single quest and only grinded. I just...don't understand this. I mean they haven't even TRIED the game to see if they actually like it in any aspect, they just grinded to...to achieve what? I don't even know really. It seems so weird to me.

But that aside, I feel the pretty open and accepted grinding(seems ZOS has finally given up on getting rid of it, for better or for worse) is only part of the incompetent players issue. A much bigger part is lack of learning curve. Grinding doesn't teach you much, sure, but does questing do more? You can light attack all quest bosses to death, main storyline included. There's no more op vet zones where you l2p or quit, no more main storyline locking you from part of the game til you l2aoe and beat Mannimarco with his skeles and whatnot, no more Craglorn with its deadly wasps and <your health>*10 Takin Aim's...it made most of the game available and easy for everyone, but it put an ENORMOUS and ever growing gap between that part of the game and the few remaining challenges in it, between "casual" and "hardcore" players and there's no longer any stairs or bridge across that gap but what players themselves make. It's disastrous for the game's community I feel but ZOS obviously doesn't care.

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

MrBetadine wrote: »

today i had a cp 730 warden in vet BC1 spamming birds (nothing else) at Rilis.......

( and a cp 800+ nightblade spamming lethal arrow...)

I've played this game on and off since launch, have 700+CP and until very recently I had no clue at all about PVE. Some people simply have never done that kind of content before. I started doing dungeons a couple months ago to get a monster helm and Undaunted mettle passive.

When I finished all PVE solo quests and got level 15 in alliance war, I was still cp350. How did you get so much CP ?

Magdalina wrote: »

The grinding fashion seems a bit weird to me. There was always a long(ish) way to the top, back when it was vet 10, 12, 14, 16 as well, why was it much less of an issue back then? Sure there were some grind spots and stuff but...nowhere near that bad/common, very very few people legit did just that for their first character leveling. Was it that these spots were less common, frequently nerfed soon as ZOS found them out and being non instanced, could only house so many people? Or was it something else?

I can understand grinding some above cp 160 to get to cp numbers where people start taking you seriously. But grinding instead of leveling on very first character?.. There're legit 160 cp+ people who have never done a single quest and only grinded. I just...don't understand this. I mean they haven't even TRIED the game to see if they actually like it in any aspect, they just grinded to...to achieve what? I don't even know really. It seems so weird to me.

But that aside, I feel the pretty open and accepted grinding(seems ZOS has finally given up on getting rid of it, for better or for worse) is only part of the incompetent players issue. A much bigger part is lack of learning curve. Grinding doesn't teach you much, sure, but does questing do more? You can light attack all quest bosses to death, main storyline included. There's no more op vet zones where you l2p or quit, no more main storyline locking you from part of the game til you l2aoe and beat Mannimarco with his skeles and whatnot, no more Craglorn with its deadly wasps and <your health>*10 Takin Aim's...it made most of the game available and easy for everyone, but it put an ENORMOUS and ever growing gap between that part of the game and the few remaining challenges in it, between "casual" and "hardcore" players and there's no longer any stairs or bridge across that gap but what players themselves make. It's disastrous for the game's community I feel but ZOS obviously doesn't care.

Thats a good point. the lack of learning curve is certainly a problem.

Since November when I bought the game, I have gained 550 CP without grinding. For me at least, the CP cap is a long term goal more than it is this daunting task that I need to rush to achieve.

A new player joins and they see a CP800 random walking by.

Majority will always feel 'under powered' when facing these numbers regardless if it is true or not.

ZoS hastily addressed this by releasing Trait Research speed up scrolls so new players had a chance to getting 9 trait at a faster rate than most of us did simply because most of us done it at the same time. I rarely craft and its only for a random act of kindness because it is a waste of my play time and mainly a thankless task.

With exp events happening it does level a lot out, while a CP800 will play as usual the same CP 300 might shamelessly repeat Skyreach and get much more exp. The help these have had is marginal i have found and this still needs to be addressed but will be when the CP system is scrapped and a newer broken system is introduced with numbers not so high/visible.