DW / 2H
Use obliv dmg on main DW
Abs Stam on offhand DW
Wep dmg increase on 2h

Spend most of your time on DW bar since you can proc those enchantments back to back non stop. Use 2h every 5s (and for rally / execute) to keep the 500dmg wep buff up.

Make sure you ani cancel or you won't get the most out of the build.

I combined it with viper and trollking. Stack dots and bleeds if you can (use axes for all three weapons, use brawler and blood craze) use speed pots and deadly cloak. If healing is fine, drop TK for Skoria.

Hard to play but if you get good at it it's a very effective build.

kuma82 wrote: »

Axes will outperform the damage bonus of dw swords? I am pretty new, sorta. I played when it first came out on pc but quit after 5 months or so. Just came back to console so started all over. I don't have any monster sets or any dungeon gear. I use crafted torugs, hundings and PvP Morag tong for the weapon damage bonuses.
The one monster set I thought of was Molag Kena since light attacks will proc the overload, and currently I use mainly light attacks mixed with dots/skills. I'm also cp 250, so not everything is maxed with cp points.

Yes. The bleed that axes have are very effective. You will have four bleeds with this build.
Molag Kena is trash and means you'll be missing out on a skill in order to hit the 2 light attacks. You have to learn to weave / ani cancel if you want to get the most out of a torug build. you have to land an enchant every second.

try different monster sets but i had the most luck with trollking. Once you get those four bleeds up, people tend to drop fast, but it can take time before all of them proc.

Next patch, TK will be dead. You might want to consider running skoria instead, and using a health glyph instead of a stamina glyph.

Here's a vid in the BGs i recorded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PibDjqzKo9Y

If you're going to be using infused weapons and torugs, don't go half and half with damage stat stacking. You'll already be behind on a stamina build in stats, you might as well invest fully into your enchants. That means crit, penetration, and regen. Torugs shines as a regen/sustained/harass build, and weapon/spell damage should be very low on your priorities.

Oblivion damage is also sub par and situational, despite what the meta thumpers will say. Stick to poison and disease on each of your bars, and attack with both weapons at every opportunity to take advantage of the cooldowns. As far as I've tested, they're separate per weapon. Augment your torugs with something like leviathan, spriggans, or even agility/endurance and a monster set with an effect that you can leverage in your fight, to give you more opportunities to unload on your target with your enchanted weapons.

I've been using torugs since DB in both PVP and PVE competitively, I hope this helps.

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

If you're going to be using infused weapons and torugs, don't go half and half with damage stat stacking. You'll already be behind on a stamina build in stats, you might as well invest fully into your enchants. That means crit, penetration, and regen. Torugs shines as a regen/sustained/harass build, and weapon/spell damage should be very low on your priorities.

Oblivion damage is also sub par and situational, despite what the meta thumpers will say. Stick to poison and disease on each of your bars, and attack with both weapons at every opportunity to take advantage of the cooldowns. As far as I've tested, they're separate per weapon. Augment your torugs with something like leviathan, spriggans, or even agility/endurance and a monster set with an effect that you can leverage in your fight, to give you more opportunities to unload on your target with your enchanted weapons.

I've been using torugs since DB in both PVP and PVE competitively, I hope this helps.

I dont agree with a lot of these points, and ive tested them extensively in pvp, albeit mostly in No CP (Bgs)

the problem with the torug's build is that you lose the 2-4 piece bonuses that are useful for a stam build.

You also NEED to be running DW because bloodcraze procs the offhand and quick/deadly cloak procs the mainhand even when you're on backbar.

because you're LA weaving, you'll want to stack wep dmg over stamina because light attacks are more correlated to the former than the latter. You also dont want to stack penetration since so much of your dmg won't be physical. (the wep enchants, viper proc, claw if slotted, etc)

keep in mind that for your 2nd five piece bonus, it won't be up all the time. That's why i like viper.. it doesn't need to be up all the time.

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

If you're going to be using infused weapons and torugs, don't go half and half with damage stat stacking. You'll already be behind on a stamina build in stats, you might as well invest fully into your enchants. That means crit, penetration, and regen. Torugs shines as a regen/sustained/harass build, and weapon/spell damage should be very low on your priorities.

Oblivion damage is also sub par and situational, despite what the meta thumpers will say. Stick to poison and disease on each of your bars, and attack with both weapons at every opportunity to take advantage of the cooldowns. As far as I've tested, they're separate per weapon. Augment your torugs with something like leviathan, spriggans, or even agility/endurance and a monster set with an effect that you can leverage in your fight, to give you more opportunities to unload on your target with your enchanted weapons.

I've been using torugs since DB in both PVP and PVE competitively, I hope this helps.

I dont agree with a lot of these points, and ive tested them extensively in pvp, albeit mostly in No CP (Bgs)

the problem with the torug's build is that you lose the 2-4 piece bonuses that are useful for a stam build.

You also NEED to be running DW because bloodcraze procs the offhand and quick/deadly cloak procs the mainhand even when you're on backbar.

because you're LA weaving, you'll want to stack wep dmg over stamina because light attacks are more correlated to the former than the latter. You also dont want to stack penetration since so much of your dmg won't be physical. (the wep enchants, viper proc, claw if slotted, etc)

keep in mind that for your 2nd five piece bonus, it won't be up all the time. That's why i like viper.. it doesn't need to be up all the time.

Dual wield is definitely a powerful option for torugs, I'm not disputing that. What I am saying, is that Torugs builds shine when built in a regen focused format, because you lose less damage up front through the nature of the procs. Penetration absolutely matters, disease and poison both work off of physical penetration. That includes viper too. You absolutely could run viper off of the back bar if you can keep it up, but your back bar enchant is on a separate cool down from your front. You can have that ready to fire within the cool down of your first proc.

having a backbar enchant w/ a longer cooldown is optimal if you build it right. DW swings are main off main main off main (repeat)

but quick cloak procs main every 3s, and bloodcraze procs offhand on every swing, so if you're weaving you can get much more proc action off the DW side without ever needing to switch to backbar. thats why i put the longer one there..

penetration is great and all, but if you build for pen then you aren't really going to have a lot of damage. If you go witha proc build, you should go all in on the procs.

kuma82 wrote: »

Axes will outperform the damage bonus of dw swords? I am pretty new, sorta. I played when it first came out on pc but quit after 5 months or so. Just came back to console so started all over. I don't have any monster sets or any dungeon gear. I use crafted torugs, hundings and PvP Morag tong for the weapon damage bonuses.
The one monster set I thought of was Molag Kena since light attacks will proc the overload, and currently I use mainly light attacks mixed with dots/skills. I'm also cp 250, so not everything is maxed with cp points.

Using one axe and a sword is better than two swords. The net DPS increase from two axes is roughly 5%.

@Thogard ...my hero

thank you - i appreciate it...

good advice on using a DW magblade - the only real hacking and slashing i do with him is pve fluff stuff...

can't remember the last time I light or heavy attacked another player with those two daggers...befouled and poison might be the way to stay (if I can ever remember to swing them daggers in a fight)...

didn't know/didn't remember abilities/skills don't proc weapon enchants...

maybe just keep the decrease health glyph on my lightening stave...

always get excited to test out a new build...

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Would running a green sorcery poison on the back bar (5% increase to spell damage for 5.5 seconds) be worth it, or would you want the additional debuffs from the blue or purple poisons that have shorter durations? And would you want to run a charged weapon to increase the chance of the poison proc?


PROPHECY-DRAINING POISON IX

Inflicts Minor Cowardice to your target and grants you Minor Sorcery, increasing the cost of their Ultimate abilities by 60% and increasing your Spell Power by 5% for 5.5 seconds. (10 second cooldown*)

*7 second cooldown with Torug's Pact next patch

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Would running a green sorcery poison on the back bar (5% increase to spell damage for 5.5 seconds) be worth it, or would you want the additional debuffs from the blue or purple poisons that have shorter durations? And would you want to run a charged weapon to increase the chance of the poison proc?


PROPHECY-DRAINING POISON IX

Inflicts Minor Cowardice to your target and grants you Minor Sorcery, increasing the cost of their Ultimate abilities by 60% and increasing your Spell Power by 5% for 5.5 seconds. (10 second cooldown*)

*7 second cooldown with Torug's Pact next patch

Huh?

Did i miss torugs now affects poisons?

Thogard wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Would running a green sorcery poison on the back bar (5% increase to spell damage for 5.5 seconds) be worth it, or would you want the additional debuffs from the blue or purple poisons that have shorter durations? And would you want to run a charged weapon to increase the chance of the poison proc?


PROPHECY-DRAINING POISON IX

Inflicts Minor Cowardice to your target and grants you Minor Sorcery, increasing the cost of their Ultimate abilities by 60% and increasing your Spell Power by 5% for 5.5 seconds. (10 second cooldown*)

*7 second cooldown with Torug's Pact next patch

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Would running a green sorcery poison on the back bar (5% increase to spell damage for 5.5 seconds) be worth it, or would you want the additional debuffs from the blue or purple poisons that have shorter durations? And would you want to run a charged weapon to increase the chance of the poison proc?


PROPHECY-DRAINING POISON IX

Inflicts Minor Cowardice to your target and grants you Minor Sorcery, increasing the cost of their Ultimate abilities by 60% and increasing your Spell Power by 5% for 5.5 seconds. (10 second cooldown*)

*7 second cooldown with Torug's Pact next patch

Huh?

Did i miss torugs now affects poisons?

no, it doesn't.

Yes it does




If there is a damage effect to the poison it will be buffed as well as the cooldown reduced.

kuma82 wrote: »

So I have been playing around with torugs pact for fun. It's a boring but fun build to chill out on. Does anyone else play with this build? I have questions about enchant combos. Right now I use poison and disease being a stam dk. Would i get more damage using weapon damage enchant main hand, using molten weapons for heavy attack boost, and hidden blade for 20% weapon damage increase, while just using heavy attacks laced with abilities?
I know with torugs the damage boost is from enchants firing off, but if i just use heavy attacks only 1 enchant fires off. So with weapon dmg enchant pretty much always on with this set and using infused weapon, the offhand dmg enchant would nearly always be going off until the weapon dmg enchant needed refreshing using heavy attacks. Does this work out to be better at all than just light attacking with two different dmg glyphs? Or should I just stay as is?
I am on console so I can not really acurrately assess my damage done on comparison.

I don't think the dmg buff from 2h enchant will carry over once you swap back to DW.

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Would running a green sorcery poison on the back bar (5% increase to spell damage for 5.5 seconds) be worth it, or would you want the additional debuffs from the blue or purple poisons that have shorter durations? And would you want to run a charged weapon to increase the chance of the poison proc?


PROPHECY-DRAINING POISON IX

Inflicts Minor Cowardice to your target and grants you Minor Sorcery, increasing the cost of their Ultimate abilities by 60% and increasing your Spell Power by 5% for 5.5 seconds. (10 second cooldown*)

*7 second cooldown with Torug's Pact next patch

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Would running a green sorcery poison on the back bar (5% increase to spell damage for 5.5 seconds) be worth it, or would you want the additional debuffs from the blue or purple poisons that have shorter durations? And would you want to run a charged weapon to increase the chance of the poison proc?


PROPHECY-DRAINING POISON IX

Inflicts Minor Cowardice to your target and grants you Minor Sorcery, increasing the cost of their Ultimate abilities by 60% and increasing your Spell Power by 5% for 5.5 seconds. (10 second cooldown*)

*7 second cooldown with Torug's Pact next patch

Huh?

Did i miss torugs now affects poisons?

no, it doesn't.

Yes it does




If there is a damage effect to the poison it will be buffed as well as the cooldown reduced.

wow, i've been thinking way to small...

Think i'll try a torugs mag nb dw build.

Since zos has decided to leave oblivion enchants in with torugs + infused so they proc every 1.4s~? So every 1 -2 weaves.

Basically viper that goes through shields and block.

Not sure whether to use a spell dmg glyph or a fire dmg glyth on me offhand, they both can proc at the same time as oblivion.

Fire dmg has a shorter cooldown

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Think i'll try a torugs mag nb dw build.

Since zos has decided to leave oblivion enchants in with torugs + infused so they proc every 1.4s~? So every 1 -2 weaves.

Basically viper that goes through shields and block.

Not sure whether to use a spell dmg glyph or a fire dmg glyth on me offhand, they both can proc at the same time as oblivion.

Fire dmg has a shorter cooldown

Why not spell damage on back bar and DW with oblivion and prismatic? Feels like half of cyro is vamp anyway. How long of a cooldown does prismatic has?

Thogard wrote: »

kuma82 wrote: »

Axes will outperform the damage bonus of dw swords? I am pretty new, sorta. I played when it first came out on pc but quit after 5 months or so. Just came back to console so started all over. I don't have any monster sets or any dungeon gear. I use crafted torugs, hundings and PvP Morag tong for the weapon damage bonuses.
The one monster set I thought of was Molag Kena since light attacks will proc the overload, and currently I use mainly light attacks mixed with dots/skills. I'm also cp 250, so not everything is maxed with cp points.

Yes. The bleed that axes have are very effective. You will have four bleeds with this build.
Molag Kena is trash and means you'll be missing out on a skill in order to hit the 2 light attacks. You have to learn to weave / ani cancel if you want to get the most out of a torug build. you have to land an enchant every second.

try different monster sets but i had the most luck with trollking. Once you get those four bleeds up, people tend to drop fast, but it can take time before all of them proc.

Next patch, TK will be dead. You might want to consider running skoria instead, and using a health glyph instead of a stamina glyph.

Here's a vid in the BGs i recorded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PibDjqzKo9Y

Well an add on that tell you when you get a fragment (or other abilitare) in the face is borderline cheating, add this to a proctard build and you have the main reason why this game sucks.
Ty for sharing now when i see your name in a bg match i will just quit for good

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Think i'll try a torugs mag nb dw build.

Since zos has decided to leave oblivion enchants in with torugs + infused so they proc every 1.4s~? So every 1 -2 weaves.

Basically viper that goes through shields and block.

Not sure whether to use a spell dmg glyph or a fire dmg glyth on me offhand, they both can proc at the same time as oblivion.

Fire dmg has a shorter cooldown

Me too, still trying to figure out a good setup for the other pieces. I'll probably focus on sustain because most dmg will come from the enchants anyway.

Im not so sure about DW on a magBlade, I'd go with either destro/resto for a ranged build or 2H/resto so you can use forward momentum and become immune to snares for 6-8 seconds. Blobs has a very nice build that uses 2H on his magBlade.

The enchant combo's have to be tested, dual oblivion might be the strongest but it will involve a lot of bar swapping. Going for one dmg enchant and one buff/debuff enchant could also be interesting. Lightning with sd/wd or disease enchant for example. The sd/wd enchant does have the advantage of lasting a couple seconds which means less bar swapping.

Needless to say its going to be fun to run a magBlade enchant build.

Dual oblivion cannot double proc though can it.

The reason you go oblivion + fire/ spell dmg/ prismatic is because you can only double proc enchants that use itade and repora.

So you need 1x itade e.g. oblivion then something with repora e.g. spell dmg/ fire etc... and you can only double proc enchants using dw.

I'd like to use forward momentum but i feel that if i'm going to use a torugs enchant build i may as well get the double enchants.

If the spell dmg is buffed when i reswitch to dw bar then i'll go spell dmg back bar and fire front bar so i get oblivion and fire proc every 1.4s. Which seems OP. Though i'm not sure yet. Have to test the spell dmg back bar thing but i can't access the pts.

Currently i have this:

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor?id=21486

Now i'm not sure on the regen, if i can sustain on it just fine i'll swap a monster set for the new 1 piece mag max + stamina next patch. Drop to around 2300~ regen. 2-3-4 pieces are being buffed so i'd hit 40k magicka that way. I'll have to see if i can survive but if not i'll drop regeneration for dampen.

But my damage on my skills is decent + the enchants should be nice.