I hate youtube.

HorrorShow · August 2017

Because now every guide I can find is a freaking video. I don't want to watch a video. I want a map with a marker saying the thing I am after is right there. How hard is that?

And yes yes, don't use guides, git gud etc.

But holy crap I am tired of crappy electronica music and sitting through people saying like and subscribe.

starkerealm · August 2017

Then come here, or more specifically to the Players Helping Players page, and ask our wholly unqualified, ad-hoc staff of uncertified guar herders your questions.

Davor · August 2017

Then don't go on YouTube. I don't get it. I mean why are you going on YouTube if you hate it?

MotokoKusanagi34 · August 2017

There are a bunch of wikis with every quest and full walkthrough out there... and I'd also recommend not to use YouTube since you dislike it so much.

starkerealm · August 2017

Davor wrote: »

Then don't go on YouTube. I don't get it. I mean why are you going on YouTube if you hate it?

Because it comes up in the google search. And the alternative is Deletia's out of date info.

Yakidafi · August 2017

Uesp, fextralife eso wiki and tesoelite will help you on this matter.

Elsonso · August 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Then don't go on YouTube. I don't get it. I mean why are you going on YouTube if you hate it?

Because it comes up in the google search. And the alternative is Deletia's out of date info.

Youtube is owned by Google. Do the math.

Append " -site:youtube.com " to searches and the minus sign will tell Google to filter out that stuff.

HorrorShow · August 2017

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Litany_of_Blood

Lovely screen shots, not map saying 'right here'

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Litany+of+Blood

Lists who and the city. No map

tesoelite seems to no longer be a thing. Get my internet provider help page

I appreciate guides. I am not trying to be an ungrateful whiner. I just think a lot of people out there who would make great guides normally, just end up making youtube videos for an easier route.

HorrorShow · August 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Then don't go on YouTube. I don't get it. I mean why are you going on YouTube if you hate it?

Because it comes up in the google search. And the alternative is Deletia's out of date info.

Youtube is owned by Google. Do the math.

Append " -site:youtube.com " to searches and the minus sign will tell Google to filter out that stuff.

Did not know I could do that. Was resorting to Bing to see if that would help any.

MotokoKusanagi34 · August 2017

HorrorShow wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Litany_of_Blood

Lovely screen shots, not map saying 'right here'

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Litany+of+Blood

Lists who and the city. No map

tesoelite seems to no longer be a thing. Get my internet provider help page

I appreciate guides. I am not trying to be an ungrateful whiner. I just think a lot of people out there who would make great guides normally, just end up making youtube videos for an easier route.

You do realize there are in game markers which show up directly above the target? You can even finish quests if you're in a comatose condition. How much babysitting does one need in a game?

WhiteCoatSyndrome · August 2017

@HorrorShow For the Litany of Blood, many of the targets wander around, so it isn't a single spot on a map.

Hallothiel · August 2017

I too never use a video as a guide & prefer maps / written walkthrough. But there are so many out there that it's easy to ignore youtube.

Perhaps specify you want a map in your search? Or just scroll down tbe google page (or even go to the second one!) & you should fund what you need.

And for Litany of Blood, try Benevolent Bowd's site. Good descriptions as to where you might find targets as they move around an area.

starkerealm · August 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

Then don't go on YouTube. I don't get it. I mean why are you going on YouTube if you hate it?

Because it comes up in the google search. And the alternative is Deletia's out of date info.

Youtube is owned by Google. Do the math.

Append " -site:youtube.com " to searches and the minus sign will tell Google to filter out that stuff.

Yeah, I understand why, I'm just saying that it happens.

To be fair, youtube really doesn't bother me. It's basically replaced TV for me, over the last decade or so.

HorrorShow · August 2017

MotokoKusanagi34 wrote: »

HorrorShow wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Litany_of_Blood

Lovely screen shots, not map saying 'right here'

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Litany+of+Blood

Lists who and the city. No map

tesoelite seems to no longer be a thing. Get my internet provider help page

I appreciate guides. I am not trying to be an ungrateful whiner. I just think a lot of people out there who would make great guides normally, just end up making youtube videos for an easier route.

You do realize there are in game markers which show up directly above the target? You can even finish quests if you're in a comatose condition. How much babysitting does one need in a game?

Litany of blood does not provide target markers.

MotokoKusanagi34 · August 2017

HorrorShow wrote: »

Litany of blood does not provide target markers.

Yes it is one of the few which actually doesn't but then again why not using one of hundreds of written guides + screenshots? Do you expect markers for a quest with targets who wander in the city in different places? I'm just trying to understand

HorrorShow · August 2017

MotokoKusanagi34 wrote: »

HorrorShow wrote: »

Litany of blood does not provide target markers.

Yes it is one of the few which actually doesn't but then again why not using one of hundreds of written guides + screenshots? Do you expect markers for a quest with targets who wander in the city in different places? I'm just trying to understand

Looking for something like this.

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=107951/treble

Elsonso · August 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

To be fair, youtube really doesn't bother me. It's basically replaced TV for me, over the last decade or so.

YouTube does not bother me. The guides that people post on there do. Video is great for showing how to perform a series of steps to accomplish a task. Many people who make such videos seem more interested in the music they play than the task they are showing, and often, it is apparent that not a lot of thought went into the content before it was recorded. Poor quality is annoying, and YouTube is filled with it.

Videos showing character builds probably top the list of ESO related content that should not be used with video. It can take a considerable amount of time to consume the information, compared to reading it, and you might get a ways into the video before you realize that the creator has been eating the wrong mushrooms.

Yakidafi · August 2017

@HorrorShow sorry meant http://teso.mmorpg-life.com/

generalmyrick · August 2017

HorrorShow wrote: »

Because now every guide I can find is a freaking video. I don't want to watch a video. I want a map with a marker saying the thing I am after is right there. How hard is that?

And yes yes, don't use guides, git gud etc.

But holy crap I am tired of crappy electronica music and sitting through people saying like and subscribe.

YouTube videos on how to make YouTube videos tell YouTube watchers to tell their watchers to like and subscribe!

On a similar note, I noticed a popular YouTube maker started making shorter videos after some smart person started putting 15 second videos on survey locations instead of the 2 minute electronics hits you speak of! :-)

Night_Watch · August 2017

HorrorShow wrote: »

Because now every guide I can find is a freaking video. I don't want to watch a video. I want a map with a marker saying the thing I am after is right there. How hard is that?

And yes yes, don't use guides, git gud etc.

But holy crap I am tired of crappy electronica music and sitting through people saying like and subscribe.

Hello,

I'm guilty of making videos about ESO and posting them. I started doing the videos around the time I started Morrowind and have made only a few so far.

I'm also guilty of looking for helpful resources to aid when altogether stuck on a problem in ESO. I do not use the resources much as I like to solve things by myself and not rob myself of the satisfaction of completeing whatever I am doing without help.

I prefer well written instructions and or well indicated maps. I will use a video if I can find no other help though.

As for; how hard is it to make a map with markers? It is usually not. In my videos I Put a 'spoiler warning', titles stating what is being dealt with, (at least once so far) drawings showing aid, video captured from game where appropriate and end information that includes software used in making the video and a note on Bethesda video use policy. There is something else I use to aid others ... now ... what ... is .. it? OH! I remember now; I use screen captured maps with either static or animated markers.

Helpful videos are not for everyone. There are many places to look online for static images or text guides relating to ESO and many other games.

The 'Don't use guides - git gud' arguement is silly and most often used be people who ... used ... guides ... to ... get good.

As for 'electronica music and sitting through people saying like and subscribe', although I have software to make music of various types (not just electro pop) I have not put music over my videos as I know my taste in music may not be as others and I get concerened about copyright issues. I have just treated myself to a rather nifty microphone but have not yet done any voice over work. Why no voice over? Well... I do not like the sound of my voice recorded and played back to me!

The "Hey, like, guys, like subscribe to and like 'like' me" thing is not something I want to do. I would not mind if someone wanted to subscribe to or 'like' my channel or work (or me) but I'm not so narcissistic as to insist upon it.

PlagueSD · August 2017

Biggest clue for the NPCs, "You will know them by their eye." ALL of them have a white eye when you look at them. They also "explode" like a vampire when you kill them. I accidentally found this one when I was doing my BrotherHood daily.

Axoinus · August 2017

Video content is not just a youtube thing. There is a steady increase in video content across the entire internet.

I get totally irate when I click an interesting article and get sent to some 30 second video with a 10 second commerical in front of it.

I don't know if the problem is corporations trying to shove more marketing in my face, or if it is a side effect of a generation that doesn't want to read.

Gilvoth · August 2017

MotokoKusanagi34 wrote: »

HorrorShow wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Litany_of_Blood

Lovely screen shots, not map saying 'right here'

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Litany+of+Blood

Lists who and the city. No map

tesoelite seems to no longer be a thing. Get my internet provider help page

I appreciate guides. I am not trying to be an ungrateful whiner. I just think a lot of people out there who would make great guides normally, just end up making youtube videos for an easier route.

You do realize there are in game markers which show up directly above the target? You can even finish quests if you're in a comatose condition. How much babysitting does one need in a game?

Anlace · August 2017

Right? Reading is so much faster and more efficient than any video version, why in the hell do I want to watch a twenty minute video to gain what I could read in three? You can also tell right away if the info you need is going to be in a particular document, as opposed to a video where you just hope it will be and find out eventually.

I guess people like it because it's more conversational?

I don't hate youtube though, some things are better or only possible at all in with video.

Kay1 · August 2017

Maybe go to a doctor to be honest, a normal person don't have those kind of issues

.

Honestly, it's just a video, practically a better version of a written guide, you are maybe in your 40s and you act like those old dudes "*** the cnn I want to read my newspapers".

Give it a try, mute the video and go to the part you want to check

Nifty2g · August 2017

HorrorShow wrote: »

And yes yes, don't use guides, git gud etc.

The worst advice to give a new player, shame on people to say it

Krayzie · August 2017

I love watching someone stumble over their words while they struggle to explain something over their bad rap music.

#esowhitekidthuglyfe

blnchk · August 2017

Agreed, I also cannot abide video guides. More often than not they're acoustically unpleasant and take an unnecessarily long time to get to the point (or to the information I'm looking for). A text you can search or skim through – or choose to read it thoroughly. Videos deprive you of this, unless you're familiar with their timelines. Alas, I'm afraid they're here to stay.

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

Maybe go to a doctor to be honest, a normal person don't have those kind of issues .

Honestly, it's just a video, practically a better version of a written guide, you are maybe in your 40s and you act like those old dudes "*** the cnn I want to read my newspapers".

Give it a try, mute the video and go to the part you want to check

Since when is a video a "better version" of a written guide ?
- A written guide lets the reader read the content at his/her own pace - unlike he video who forces the reader to integrate the content at the speaker's pace.
- A written guide focuses on the important things - explaining - while the video guide focuses on the unimportant thing - showing.

You must be in your 15s and act like those dudes "*** books I want to "read" my mangas".

You also mention that people should skip content up to the part they want to check : how can they do that unless they've watched it all and KNOW where and what they want to skip ?

Lylith · August 2017

Axoinus wrote: »

Video content is not just a youtube thing. There is a steady increase in video content across the entire internet.

I get totally irate when I click an interesting article and get sent to some 30 second video with a 10 second commerical in front of it.

I don't know if the problem is corporations trying to shove more marketing in my face, or if it is a side effect of a generation that doesn't want to read.

much easier to post a video than to actually write a guide.

faster too.

not necessarily better, though.

Night_Watch · August 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

Maybe go to a doctor to be honest, a normal person don't have those kind of issues .

Honestly, it's just a video, practically a better version of a written guide, you are maybe in your 40s and you act like those old dudes "*** the cnn I want to read my newspapers".

Give it a try, mute the video and go to the part you want to check

Make way for this auld fogey!

Not far off off the big 50 here.

What's a news paper? I gets my news via ticker tape* and likes it!

Now get off my lawn.

*I use Papers, Tv, Internet and good old fashioned radio really.

The ones missing a trick are those that don't use all the available resources and spite themselves by refusing to use any particular form of information gathering. (EDIT: within reason!)