Do you think ESO is getting more PG by the years

Doctordarkspawn · August 2017

No, I don't feel as though the game is going PG

This is the same game with brutal assassinations and what can only be described as a storyline where you -cant- free slaves. Where sometimes, there is no right thing.

Strider_Roshin · August 2017

Mojmir wrote: »

Practically garbage

This.

Sometimes I wonder if this game is made by ZOS or Vox.

Tryxus · August 2017

PG? What the tusk?! Pardon my Orcish.

Now, time to go assassinate some fetcher and spill his blood all over the floor

Darlgon · August 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

This is the same game with brutal assassinations and what can only be described as a storyline where you -cant- free slaves. Where sometimes, there is no right thing.

Sithis can free some of them. Oh.. wait..

Acrolas · August 2017

No, I don't feel as though the game is going PG

Negan doesn't have to mutilate somebody in every single TWD episode or issue for the sake of honoring the rating.

That would get pretty *** boring, too.

zaria · August 2017

Darlgon wrote: »

Society is getting hypersensitive, so they are having to scale it back. I linked the "Kick the Kajiit" treasure item in guild chat yesterday and thought the guild was going to kick me for being a racist.

Political correctness going wild, always best to return fire.
We Khajiit has suffered much lately and deserve a buff.

[snip]

[Edited for real world politics]

Jacen_Veron · August 2017

No, I don't feel as though the game is going PG

I feel the game has covered some dark topics, but it never shows them.

It has adult themes, but incredibly watered down versions, diluted to text and implication.

The most violent it has gotten is in the blade of woe killmoves.

I for one would like to see the game take a more mature approach.

Jacen_Veron · August 2017

No, I don't feel as though the game is going PG

POLITICALLY GORRECT

MehrunesFlagon · August 2017

Yes, this game feels like its going PG

Vrienda wrote: »

Just listen to Naryu's sexual innuendo-filled dialogue. Then come back and tell me this game is PG.

wish they would back that up visually.

MythicEmperor · August 2017

Yes, this game feels like its going PG

Vanilla game: Option to side with slaveholder (valuing Dunmer tradition and lore)

ESO: Morrowind: Slavery=bad, even though we all will love it again in a few years, from whence it will be as if it was always a valued practice! (Destroys established Dunmer tradition and lore for the sake of political correctness, making Vvardenfell a massive safe-space of virtue signaling

CiliPadi · August 2017

PG? LUL. Group voice chat on public dungeons (on consoles) :-P

Tonnopesce · August 2017

HalloweenWeed wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Pg?

Epic thread fail. Never assume "everyone" knows the acronyms.

Ok ok i get it...
My 5 years old son watch me play and except me avoid to use the "blade of voe" when he is around the content is pretty soft, we have sexual referente and other stuff but nothing that he can understand anyway.

klowdy1 · August 2017

Aren't there 2 DLCs all about sneaking and assassinating? Not a lot of murders in PG.

hmsdragonfly · August 2017

Darlgon wrote: »

Society is getting hypersensitive, so they are having to scale it back. I linked the "Kick the Kajiit" treasure item in guild chat yesterday and thought the guild was going to kick me for being a racist.

Tell them they are s'wit n'wahs, may the cliff racer *** on their heads.

xb1LL_mr_sir_LL · August 2017

Yes, this game feels like its going PG

the elder scrolls franchise has been getting toned done.
anyone remember cassius telling you to get naked so he could see you in the buff in ES3?

ZOS_Mika · August 2017

We have had to remove several comments because they discussed real world politics. Please keep the focus of this thread on ESO.

mwo1480 · August 2017

Yes, this game feels like its going PG

it doesnt need boobs/nudity, as it never really was part of tes, but yeah ESO is the lightes game in TESverse
even DB dlc was to light, maybe next dlc a dark storyline (make u connect with an npc, and let him/her get killed before end story (not like DB where someone dies but u dont have connection to her so what ever) , murders, real deadric evilness (Mehrunes Dagon story for exemple), skooma addiction (like with that vampire dlc in skyrim with secret skooma shop ...or was that an mod not sure), slaughter, maybe a not good end (like what ever u do u fail) etc etc etc) only mature looking dlc now is imperial city, but the quests and story are still light (the map is mature/dark)

ParaNostram · August 2017

Yes, this game feels like its going PG

There's a lot of dark stuff in the lore they could use if they only wanted to.

qsnoopyjr · August 2017

When a game gets too PG, they don't make it mainstream.

Look at the popular streamers, people with over 50,000 followers.
They play games, clearly not PG rated.

There's PG rated blood gore and sexual, than theres R rated blood gore and sexual.
From what I seen, ESO is nothing but PG rated blood gore and sexual.

The heads dont fall off right, heads aint flying, the decapitations arent that extreme, sexual talk isnt extreme,

the trash talk between NPCs arent that extreme.

StormWylf · August 2017

Gotta agree, all things considered it's pretty much PG now.

CloneTrooper699 · August 2017

Yes, this game feels like its going PG

So this guy is probably from Australia, our rating system for movies and video games go's like this.
G: Genral
PG: Parental Guidance
M: Mature
MA: Mature Audiences 15+
R: Restricted 18+
AV: Adult Violence

By saying ESO is getting PG their basically saying ESO is like the old Power Rangers.
I would love to see at least an optional setting for more blood.

mesmerizedish · August 2017

Aside from Dark Brotherhood, recent content hasn't really been any different from the vanilla game, aside from being better-written (so I guess you could say it's more mature in that respect).

I've never really understood exactly why ESO got an M rating (using the American ESRB scale). It feels to me like it could have just as easily been T. Again, DB exception.

I guess to really answer the question posed, no, I do not think ESO is getting "more pg," because it was always such.

f047ys3v3n · August 2017

AlMcFly wrote: »

grizzledcroc wrote: »

Always interesting to see society as a whole not thinking violence all other stuff as pg-13 . Just so bizzare to me .I mean theres freaking a guy getting impaled in the original intro , all sorts of torture, drugs , alcohol all sorts of other violence hell quite a bit of gore too. Nah its not mature at all. But oh nuuu showing a boob its definable a super mature game. Idk I guess I have more even view on all that junk.

In Western Society, public nudity is far more morally reprehensible than forcefully invading sovereign countries or ignoring those homeless people on the corner.

You had noticed that too? I think it has something to do with the association of fun with sin in a certain book (more accurately collection of books) that contains a lot of genocide. I hear it also contains family values though I didn't find all that much in the way of what most people consider good family values the couple times I read through it.

As for ESO, certainly the original "Real Barenziah" lore book in Daggerfall was far more... vivid, than later versions. However, you do have the new assassination animations in ESO such as the donkey punch of death so I'm not so sure it is more PG. Perhaps it is just more PG in the American way with less sex and more ultra violence. I did laugh endlessly at the donkey punch animation though so I am not complaining. I could do with both more sex and violence in ESO though in real life I'll just take the more sex as there is more than enough violence.

kamimark · August 2017

No, I don't feel as though the game is going PG

PG is for movies, not games. The icon at the bottom of this very page says "ESRB M Mature 17+ Blood and Gore, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence".

There's cannibalism in Deshaan, torture in many places, people being beheaded and put on pikes, vampires and werewolves both have some depraved practices. I wouldn't say any of it was worth an ESRB M rating, but it's certainly not T for Teen. Dark Brotherhood kicked that up a bit, probably does qualify for Violence now.

I'm disappointed in the lack of explicit sex, even in supposedly-liberated Vvardenfell; other than a couple of prostitutes in Stonefalls, there's not much going on. ZOS was able to have many gay characters and nobody thinks it's bad. But there's a lot of Puritan prudery still in the US, so you take what you can get.

Use of Alcohol? Choosing health recovery isn't especially mature, and there's only one holiday beverage that has a drunk-like effect on the character. Contrast that to WoW, where there's booze and you can drink & get drunk for bonuses but it fuzzes up the screen, and there's an entire holiday event dedicated to alcohol, and that's rated T.

max_only · August 2017

No, I don't feel as though the game is going PG

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Vanilla game: Option to side with slaveholder (valuing Dunmer tradition and lore)

ESO: Morrowind: Slavery=bad, even though we all will love it again in a few years, from whence it will be as if it was always a valued practice! (Destroys established Dunmer tradition and lore for the sake of political correctness, making Vvardenfell a massive safe-space of virtue signaling

You haven't played the game then. There are slaves in Kragenmore. Pact Dunmer aren't allowed to have other Pact races as slaves, they can still have Khajiit slaves, and they do. In the base game. There is slavery, prostitution, drug use, non consensual sex, cannibalism (not Bosmer but Dunmer), trafficking and all sorts of "taboo" subjects in the game already. I mean if you've only been dolmen grinding then you wouldn't know.

If you need your own safe space for slavery roleplay I'm sure there is a club in a major city near you that will provide. Virtue signaling lol, so you would rather vice signaling? What is this logic the edgelords are coming up with these days? This is a money making business - there are rules about content in many different countries and to Maximize Profits, it makes sense to have a game that conforms to all those rules. Maximize Profit. Edgelords need a logic/capitalism check on their arguments if a basic moral argument isn't enough.

Nemesis7884 · August 2017

I don't think so - i pug constantly (cause i have no friends - FeelsBadMan); the difference between team efficiency if you have 4 cp 300+ guys vs 4 lvl 30 guys is insane...

GreyWolf_79 · August 2017

max_only wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Vanilla game: Option to side with slaveholder (valuing Dunmer tradition and lore)

ESO: Morrowind: Slavery=bad, even though we all will love it again in a few years, from whence it will be as if it was always a valued practice! (Destroys established Dunmer tradition and lore for the sake of political correctness, making Vvardenfell a massive safe-space of virtue signaling

You haven't played the game then. There are slaves in Kragenmore. Pact Dunmer aren't allowed to have other Pact races as slaves, they can still have Khajiit slaves, and they do. In the base game. There is slavery, prostitution, drug use, non consensual sex, cannibalism (not Bosmer but Dunmer), trafficking and all sorts of "taboo" subjects in the game already. I mean if you've only been dolmen grinding then you wouldn't know.

If you need your own safe space for slavery roleplay I'm sure there is a club in a major city near you that will provide. Virtue signaling lol, so you would rather vice signaling? What is this logic the edgelords are coming up with these days? This is a money making business - there are rules about content in many different countries and to Maximize Profits, it makes sense to have a game that conforms to all those rules. Maximize Profit. Edgelords need a logic/capitalism check on their arguments if a basic moral argument isn't enough.

While I agree with most of your argument, I have to take issue with two aspects of your last sentence.

One, "basic moral arguments" are subjective.

Two, not everyone believes that unfettered capitalism is "moral" or even "logical" for that matter.

Otherwise, yes, I understand why ESO doesn't meander too far into the realm of controversy, because they want to be able to sell the game to the greatest amount of people while offending the least amount. That part is basic common sense.

Minyassa · August 2017

No, I don't feel as though the game is going PG

Nnnnnnnnno. Just the other day I was doing a generic repeatable for the Dark Brotherhood and my crazy toon stabbed some guy IN THE CROTCH. Repeatedly. Then in the chest, and then cut his throat. I was like, "Dude, what did this guy DO to you?!!"

max_only · August 2017

No, I don't feel as though the game is going PG

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Vanilla game: Option to side with slaveholder (valuing Dunmer tradition and lore)

ESO: Morrowind: Slavery=bad, even though we all will love it again in a few years, from whence it will be as if it was always a valued practice! (Destroys established Dunmer tradition and lore for the sake of political correctness, making Vvardenfell a massive safe-space of virtue signaling

You haven't played the game then. There are slaves in Kragenmore. Pact Dunmer aren't allowed to have other Pact races as slaves, they can still have Khajiit slaves, and they do. In the base game. There is slavery, prostitution, drug use, non consensual sex, cannibalism (not Bosmer but Dunmer), trafficking and all sorts of "taboo" subjects in the game already. I mean if you've only been dolmen grinding then you wouldn't know.

If you need your own safe space for slavery roleplay I'm sure there is a club in a major city near you that will provide. Virtue signaling lol, so you would rather vice signaling? What is this logic the edgelords are coming up with these days? This is a money making business - there are rules about content in many different countries and to Maximize Profits, it makes sense to have a game that conforms to all those rules. Maximize Profit. Edgelords need a logic/capitalism check on their arguments if a basic moral argument isn't enough.

While I agree with most of your argument, I have to take issue with two aspects of your last sentence.

One, "basic moral arguments" are subjective.

Two, not everyone believes that unfettered capitalism is "moral" or even "logical" for that matter.

Otherwise, yes, I understand why ESO doesn't meander too far into the realm of controversy, because they want to be able to sell the game to the greatest amount of people while offending the least amount. That part is basic common sense.

That's basically what I meant

You're right though, capitalism isn't necessarily moral or logical, I was just trying to get on that edgelords level mentality. Corporations are people too

qsnoopyjr · August 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

When a game gets too PG, they don't make it mainstream.

Look at the popular streamers, people with over 50,000 followers.
They play games, clearly not PG rated.

There's PG rated blood gore and sexual, than theres R rated blood gore and sexual.
From what I seen, ESO is nothing but PG rated blood gore and sexual.

The heads dont fall off right, heads aint flying, the decapitations arent that extreme, sexual talk isnt extreme,

the trash talk between NPCs arent that extreme.

I'm going to quote this again,

There's PG related blood, gore, sexual, and trash talking
then theres M or R related blood, gore, sexual, and trash talking

Compare this game a PG to Grand Theft Auto,
both games have gore
We all know deaths in Grand Theft Auto are more brutal
both games have sex/trash talking
We all know sex/trash talking in Grand Theft Auto is more heartfelt, the kind of talk about sex and death and slavery, its like fairly tale aka PG rated in ESO
When you hear how the NPCs talk about it in GTA, it has more meaning, has more of a bad boy vibe to it

Compare PG rated WWE to WWF/WCW days.
still trash talking, but the level of trash talking you can tell its fairy tale, it doesnt have true meaning like the ones in WWF/WCW days.

Game doesnt need more blood or show slaves or none of that, they will just make it more fairy tale.
The game lacks meaning, when the NPCs scream at you, they are not mad

Go back to Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind, when those NPCs said NYAH and called you scum and cursed at you, they meant it.
ESO version of it... Nothing but PG, they sound like they talking to little kids in fairy tales.

Game doesnt lack blood gore, sex, trash talk....
It lacks the meaning behind it, you can tell its fake
You dont need blood to make a game go from PG to M or R... It's all in how things die (no blood necessary)
You dont need a game to be filled with nudity to be sexual/trash talking... It's all in how the NPCs talk to you

Elder Scrolls has gotten softer since Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind.