Kharnamatic wrote: »

So on my stamina warden I've noticed that my cliff racer ability has a high damage tooltip for a good stamina cost.

This has me wondering, is the cliff racer stamina spammable better than the individual weapon single target spammables (e.g. wrecking blow, bloodthirst, snipe) and used in place of them, even the melee ones?

I don't have the gear setup or patience to run the numbers, and its hard to compare abilities like cliff racer and wrecking blow from the tooltips.

But for all you theory nuts out there who have done the maths: how good is the cliff racer ability as a stamina DPS spammable, and what abilities can it replace?

It is the strongest spammable for pure damage on single target but it doesn't have any cleave damage and is delayed damage. But it also allows you to keep dealing damage in situations where you are forced out of melee, for example second boss vHoF when the centurion add steams.

I've been using shrouded daggers for a while now. It is a little weaker in single target, but it has an execute in it (as all dw abilities have) and the cleave from it is really strong. And it is also ranged. As most boss fights have adds to them, the damage from it really gets out of hands... The second bounce is just as strong as the cliffracer.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Delayed damage might be an issue for some, but a travel time is inherent to many ranged attacks and even wrecking blow has a cast time.

Since it got no additional effect like debuffs or CC (but should have something imo) it got the undodgeability going for it. It also hits pretty hard for an undodgeable spam. I think it's situational indeed the best spam. But that's it, it's situational.

10/10 would trade birdy for my stam sorc class spam.

someone once suggested that the stam sorc spammable be a melee version of crystal frags,like your arm morphs into a crystal lance or something.I would love that on a stam sorc.I can never land uppercuts with my crap internet.