Which Sniper Build Would Hit Harder?

GrumpyDuckling · July 2017

My Current Build (all divines except 2 infused w/ Warrior Mundus)
5 pc Sheer Venom
3 pc Agility (all weapon enchants)
1 pc Maesltrom Bow (precise)
1 pc Kena
1 pc Velidreth

or

My Theorycraft Build (all divines except 2 infused q/ Warrior Mundus)
5 pc Marksman (with all jewelry with weapon enchants and a sharpened bow)
5 pc Hawk's Eye
1 pc Velidreth

I ask because I'm torn on whether or not to buy Gold Marksman or Hawk's Eye jewelry this week during the event, and I really don't know enough about the precise math concerning which setup would be more advantageous. My current build stacks a lot of weapon damage, but I'm wondering if the bonuses from Marksman and Hawk's Eye would be better.

I'd appreciate any insight. Thanks!

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2017

For the hardest hitting snipe/gank setup its a toss up between:

-Clever Alchemist + Marksmen + 1 Veli/Kena
-Clever Alchemist + Archers Mind + 1 Veli/Kena

Archers mind provides 15% crit damage on the first snipe but falls to 5% after the first. Marksmen gives you 8% more base damage which pairs well with the already insane boost of clever alch, once you crit its basically 15% more damage anyway and the effect is permanent.

However generally snipe spam from stealth can be predicted and or reacted to (granted there is no lag). Sheer Venom with this combo: Snipe>Heavy att>Poison Inj is very strong because you not only get the big snipe but the mass amount of DoT pressure when your opponent is healing debuffed. If you slot double poisons you can do some mean damage and guarantee a lot of kills that cannot purge/cloak. Its more reliable then say a pure snipe build. Any form of Proc set is still stronger then flat value sets in my opinion for pvp, bypassing global cooldowns abilities have by stacking procs will always be overpowered because of that fact.

On the subject of what to buy from the cryodill vendor right now... buy Marksmen. Hawk Eye is kind of outdated since its an old update 1.6 set. Marksmen reduces the cost off all abilities which includes Vigor/Rally compared to just Bow abilties from Hawk Eye. Marksmen also gives you recovery with 3% more damage then Hawk Eye, so that increase to damage offsets the max stat lose from Hawk Eye but you gain recovery to boot.

Hope this helps.

GrumpyDuckling · July 2017

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

For the hardest hitting snipe/gank setup its a toss up between:

-Clever Alchemist + Marksmen + 1 Veli/Kena
-Clever Alchemist + Archers Mind + 1 Veli/Kena

Archers mind provides 15% crit damage on the first snipe but falls to 5% after the first. Marksmen gives you 8% more base damage which pairs well with the already insane boost of clever alch, once you crit its basically 15% more damage anyway and the effect is permanent.

However generally snipe spam from stealth can be predicted and or reacted to (granted there is no lag). Sheer Venom with this combo: Snipe>Heavy att>Poison Inj is very strong because you not only get the big snipe but the mass amount of DoT pressure when your opponent is healing debuffed. If you slot double poisons you can do some mean damage and guarantee a lot of kills that cannot purge/cloak. Its more reliable then say a pure snipe build. Any form of Proc set is still stronger then flat value sets in my opinion for pvp, bypassing global cooldowns abilities have by stacking procs will always be overpowered because of that fact.

On the subject of what to buy from the cryodill vendor right now... buy Marksmen. Hawk Eye is kind of outdated since its an old update 1.6 set. Marksmen reduces the cost off all abilities which includes Vigor/Rally compared to just Bow abilties from Hawk Eye. Marksmen also gives you recovery with 3% more damage then Hawk Eye, so that increase to damage offsets the max stat lose from Hawk Eye but you gain recovery to boot.

Hope this helps.

Great read, thank you! The part where you talk about Sheer Venom combinations has me interested in the Vicecannon set as well. Any thoughts on that set? It would be one extra dot to go with with Snipe>Heavy att>Poison Inj combination. Ideally I'd like to get a Master Bow someday instead of Maelstrom because it seems like a nice combination with the aforementioned sets:

5 pc Sheer Venom
5 pc Vicecannon
1 pc Master Bow

SodanTok · July 2017

If you are interested in hitting hard and killing targets outright don't go the DoT route too much. Two sets giving you mediocre DoT damage arent going to kill targets. They will pressure them greatly, but most people that will live enough to even receive half of the DoT damage will pretty much heal back to full meaning you will actually have to fight them and you dont have any sustain to do that.

So if you wanna kill targets quickly you go for full damage that will happen in matter of seconds. Above mentioned clever + archers is probably best for it. Clever + marksmen allow you to remain semi competitive even the first 10-15 seconds of the fight. Marksmen + anything is safe combo as long as you are using bow abilities for any situation. It is damage and sustain set in one.

Brutusmax1mus · July 2017

Marksman and hawks eye is a balanced build but lacks crit. Your healing is terrible too so don't get caught. But you'll never be out of resources when using both so go full damage on jewelry and use thief mundus. Your tooltip won't look outstanding bit you'll do plenty of damage.

Baconlad · July 2017

Try out kena two piece, hawks eye, random bow and three agility. Should be quite strong. Although cone to think of it it wouldnt help ur gank setup...it would be more for after the first snipe, you light attack twice, charge heavy and cancel with a poison injection. Rinse and repeat.

If you just want more snipe damage, do hawks, marks, and kena or veli 1 piece. Just gotta test on a target dummy or friend which one hits harder.

Master_Kas · July 2017

Hardest hitting snipe build I've tried this and last patch:

Alchemist (2H buff bar + 4 armor)
Spriggan (3 jewerly + 2 armor)
Kragh (1 armor)
Maelstrom bow

Divine armor & shadow mundus.

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

For the hardest hitting snipe/gank setup its a toss up between:

-Clever Alchemist + Marksmen + 1 Veli/Kena
-Clever Alchemist + Archers Mind + 1 Veli/Kena

Archers mind provides 15% crit damage on the first snipe but falls to 5% after the first. Marksmen gives you 8% more base damage which pairs well with the already insane boost of clever alch, once you crit its basically 15% more damage anyway and the effect is permanent.

However generally snipe spam from stealth can be predicted and or reacted to (granted there is no lag). Sheer Venom with this combo: Snipe>Heavy att>Poison Inj is very strong because you not only get the big snipe but the mass amount of DoT pressure when your opponent is healing debuffed. If you slot double poisons you can do some mean damage and guarantee a lot of kills that cannot purge/cloak. Its more reliable then say a pure snipe build. Any form of Proc set is still stronger then flat value sets in my opinion for pvp, bypassing global cooldowns abilities have by stacking procs will always be overpowered because of that fact.

On the subject of what to buy from the cryodill vendor right now... buy Marksmen. Hawk Eye is kind of outdated since its an old update 1.6 set. Marksmen reduces the cost off all abilities which includes Vigor/Rally compared to just Bow abilties from Hawk Eye. Marksmen also gives you recovery with 3% more damage then Hawk Eye, so that increase to damage offsets the max stat lose from Hawk Eye but you gain recovery to boot.

Hope this helps.

Great read, thank you! The part where you talk about Sheer Venom combinations has me interested in the Vicecannon set as well. Any thoughts on that set? It would be one extra dot to go with with Snipe>Heavy att>Poison Inj combination. Ideally I'd like to get a Master Bow someday instead of Maelstrom because it seems like a nice combination with the aforementioned sets:

5 pc Sheer Venom
5 pc Vicecannon
1 pc Master Bow

Vicecannon is decent since its unpurgeable but looses value since it requires a stealth crit to use. Its over 15 seconds also.. so meh.

A good snipe build does the following: large burst, high healing debuff, large dot. All this is covered with lethal arrow, befoul cp and poison Inj + sheer venom. I honestly dont think there is a better snipe build then this for overall viability against all targets.

Sheer Venom + Poison Inj will tear people apart just by themselfs..

Its your choice to use a Disease or Poison enchant for more burst and possible status effect or go duel slot poisons. I would personally use a disease enchant.

SodanTok · July 2017

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

For the hardest hitting snipe/gank setup its a toss up between:

-Clever Alchemist + Marksmen + 1 Veli/Kena
-Clever Alchemist + Archers Mind + 1 Veli/Kena

Archers mind provides 15% crit damage on the first snipe but falls to 5% after the first. Marksmen gives you 8% more base damage which pairs well with the already insane boost of clever alch, once you crit its basically 15% more damage anyway and the effect is permanent.

However generally snipe spam from stealth can be predicted and or reacted to (granted there is no lag). Sheer Venom with this combo: Snipe>Heavy att>Poison Inj is very strong because you not only get the big snipe but the mass amount of DoT pressure when your opponent is healing debuffed. If you slot double poisons you can do some mean damage and guarantee a lot of kills that cannot purge/cloak. Its more reliable then say a pure snipe build. Any form of Proc set is still stronger then flat value sets in my opinion for pvp, bypassing global cooldowns abilities have by stacking procs will always be overpowered because of that fact.

On the subject of what to buy from the cryodill vendor right now... buy Marksmen. Hawk Eye is kind of outdated since its an old update 1.6 set. Marksmen reduces the cost off all abilities which includes Vigor/Rally compared to just Bow abilties from Hawk Eye. Marksmen also gives you recovery with 3% more damage then Hawk Eye, so that increase to damage offsets the max stat lose from Hawk Eye but you gain recovery to boot.

Hope this helps.

Great read, thank you! The part where you talk about Sheer Venom combinations has me interested in the Vicecannon set as well. Any thoughts on that set? It would be one extra dot to go with with Snipe>Heavy att>Poison Inj combination. Ideally I'd like to get a Master Bow someday instead of Maelstrom because it seems like a nice combination with the aforementioned sets:

5 pc Sheer Venom
5 pc Vicecannon
1 pc Master Bow

Vicecannon is decent since its unpurgeable but looses value since it requires a stealth crit to use. Its over 15 seconds also.. so meh.

A good snipe build does the following: large burst, high healing debuff, large dot. All this is covered with lethal arrow, befoul cp and poison Inj + sheer venom. I honestly dont think there is a better snipe build then this for overall viability against all targets.

Sheer Venom + Poison Inj will tear people apart just by themselfs..

Its your choice to use a Disease or Poison enchant for more burst and possible status effect or go duel slot poisons. I would personally use a disease enchant.

Disease enchant applies Major Defile like Lethal Arrow, then again lethal arrow also applies poisoned so I guess it does not matter if you use disease or poison enchant

Nemeliom · July 2017

For the last 15 days I've been using 5 Marksman + 5 Alchemist + 1 Kena + 1 Veli. On worst case scenarios I critted for 8k. Best case scenario I hit for 15k. The average tends to 11k.

All divines, weapon dmg on all jewelry. Of course you need to play the sneaky hit & run style, because if they catch you it's gonna hurt bad :P
I'm really enjoying this build. But I know it doesn't suits to everyone. But I like it better than being full proc.

gp1680 · July 2017

I ran the marksman, hawks eye, and veli combo a couple months ago in pvp with my stam sorc. I was not impressed. I switched to 5 hundings, 5 dreugh king, and veli and it's made a world of difference.

Narvuntien · July 2017

I am running Clever Alchemist and Strenght of the Automation (SotA)

I kind of wish i could use hundings rage but there is no jewlery crafting. SotA gives similar stats so I went with it.

It is super strange but I actually don't have space on my bar to use poison injection.. its not buffed by SotA so I just droped it.

Grim focus, Magelight, Cloak, Snipe, Vigor. Flawless Dawnbreaker.

I have to double bar the cloak because lag in PVP is too high to bar swap to give myself the cloak crit while snipe is in the air. Snipe is the only damage skill there.

I switch back to 2h if I have to brawl.

I have a Kra'ghs shoulder but I might switch to velidreth if I get one with a better trait. I don't have a maelstrom or master bow (but those are not relevent to my particular build are they?)

gp1680 · July 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

I am running Clever Alchemist and Strenght of the Automation (SotA)

I kind of wish i could use hundings rage but there is no jewlery crafting. SotA gives similar stats so I went with it.

It is super strange but I actually don't have space on my bar to use poison injection.. its not buffed by SotA so I just droped it.

Grim focus, Magelight, Cloak, Snipe, Vigor. Flawless Dawnbreaker.

I have to double bar the cloak because lag in PVP is too high to bar swap to give myself the cloak crit while snipe is in the air. Snipe is the only damage skill there.

I switch back to 2h if I have to brawl.

I have a Kra'ghs shoulder but I might switch to velidreth if I get one with a better trait. I don't have a maelstrom or master bow (but those are not relevent to my particular build are they?)

Work on mage guild skill line to unlock meteor ulti. Throw that on bow bar for an added range attack instead of dawnbreaker, which you can have on 2h bar.

firedrgn · July 2017

Is this pve PvP? Becsuse a none crit for me is 18k in Pve. I have gotten snipe crit hits at 45k on zero resistance critters. Like a snake or bug etc.

I am interested what it would do in PvP.

Narvuntien · August 2017

gp1680 wrote: »

work on mage guild skill line to unlock meteor ulti. Throw that on bow bar for an added range attack instead of dawnbreaker, which you can have on 2h bar.

Mages skill line is full. I use it for empowered.

I can't, slot dawnbreaker as my 2h ultimate as it is onslaught which hits for about 27k or would if shuffle and impen weren't a thing.

IlCanis_LupuslI · August 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

My Current Build (all divines except 2 infused w/ Warrior Mundus)
5 pc Sheer Venom
3 pc Agility (all weapon enchants)
1 pc Maesltrom Bow (precise)
1 pc Kena
1 pc Velidreth

or

My Theorycraft Build (all divines except 2 infused q/ Warrior Mundus)
5 pc Marksman (with all jewelry with weapon enchants and a sharpened bow)
5 pc Hawk's Eye
1 pc Velidreth

I ask because I'm torn on whether or not to buy Gold Marksman or Hawk's Eye jewelry this week during the event, and I really don't know enough about the precise math concerning which setup would be more advantageous. My current build stacks a lot of weapon damage, but I'm wondering if the bonuses from Marksman and Hawk's Eye would be better.

I'd appreciate any insight. Thanks!

Try marksman spriggans kraig combo i hit 4 22k focused aims in PvP, make shure to empower your first shot with magelight.

tunepunk · August 2017

Torug's Pact + spriggans + infused bow and damage glyph. (Oblivion damage or poison maybe?) Weapon enchants can hit pretty hard. can add like 10k on hit.