So...craft better items for an NPC and receive inferior items in return? What are they thinking? #GetGewdZos

PepterKleptic wrote: »

To sustain your crafting you have to get out there and hunt resources or buy them. Of course Zeni isn't going to let you just mindlessly craft junk and turn it in. You can sell those resources to others who are leveling too and turn around and use the profit to buy what you need as well.

OMG I just WK'd something that bugs the hell out of me too. I think I need a break.

I have 9 'toons and 2 of them are just for gathering mats.

My point is that it's not exactly a fair trade from the standpoint of a lvl 486 turning in writs that took 6, 7, and 8 points into crafting to craft, and I get iron and maple in return? Thats starter level material. I don't need/want to farm the equivalent of Kennarthi's Roost for bargain basement mats that I don't possibly have use for.

twev wrote: »

I mean, seriously?

I'm also turning champ level 50 glyphs in to Craglorn, and getting champ level 10 glyphs as returns.

This is just feeling like ZOS thinks we're chumps.

I know, like you know, really cuz, you know, maybe they should also provide us with like, you know, surveys with lotsa mats or gold or experience or inspiration for our crafting like you know... maybe one or two of those at least... not like you know they would ever, ever give us, like, you know, all of them. That would be kray-kray, like, you know.

STEVIL wrote: »

twev wrote: »

I mean, seriously?

I'm also turning champ level 50 glyphs in to Craglorn, and getting champ level 10 glyphs as returns.

This is just feeling like ZOS thinks we're chumps.

I know, like you know, really cuz, you know, maybe they should also provide us with like, you know, surveys with lotsa mats or gold or experience or inspiration for our crafting like you know... maybe one or two of those at least... not like you know they would ever, ever give us, like, you know, all of them. That would be kray-kray, like, you know.

I wish we could sell our surveys, one night I was all like I am gonna knock these off and 10 min later I was kind like falling asleep and it didnt happen. Or make so if yoy habe 10 of the same you can jusy grab it all in one go.

This really bugs me - I really don't need lower level mats at all, I have ended up only doing writs on 2 out of the 9 maxed out crafter chars I have now as I don't have the time to farm for the mats required to do writs across all my chars, at least let us have a greater chance of receiving the mats for the level of our crafter if they won't make it so we get mats back on level

People used to complain after One Tamriel that there was no way to farm low level mats with a high cp character. I assume this is one of the reasons why we are rewarded with low materials.

I personally do not mind as sometimes I have found it handy. As you say, you cannot really make a profit, but you can always craft gear for a lower level friend/client or for yourself. I remember I needed spidersilk at some point and I was getting crazy because I literally could not find any in any guild trade, and farming it was not possible because I have only 2 characters and both are cp maxed

Malacthulhu wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

twev wrote: »

I mean, seriously?

I'm also turning champ level 50 glyphs in to Craglorn, and getting champ level 10 glyphs as returns.

This is just feeling like ZOS thinks we're chumps.

I know, like you know, really cuz, you know, maybe they should also provide us with like, you know, surveys with lotsa mats or gold or experience or inspiration for our crafting like you know... maybe one or two of those at least... not like you know they would ever, ever give us, like, you know, all of them. That would be kray-kray, like, you know.

I wish we could sell our surveys, one night I was all like I am gonna knock these off and 10 min later I was kind like falling asleep and it didnt happen. Or make so if yoy habe 10 of the same you can jusy grab it all in one go.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/361232/please-let-us-sell-surveys#latest

we agree on that.

twev wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

twev wrote: »

I mean, seriously?

I'm also turning champ level 50 glyphs in to Craglorn, and getting champ level 10 glyphs as returns.

This is just feeling like ZOS thinks we're chumps.

I know, like you know, really cuz, you know, maybe they should also provide us with like, you know, surveys with lotsa mats or gold or experience or inspiration for our crafting like you know... maybe one or two of those at least... not like you know they would ever, ever give us, like, you know, all of them. That would be kray-kray, like, you know.

I had to quit doing BS/Cloth/Wood writs for a few weeks this summer because I couldn't keep up with 9 lvl 50 crafters doing 6 trades every day for writs. I was running out of mats and I've been collecting since launch.

So, kray-kray or not, it's an issue to craft Voidstone/Rubidite, Ruby Ash, and Void Bloom/Rubedo, for writs on 9 'toons every day when I'm getting so much Maple/Pine/Iron/Steel/Jute/Rawhide in return.

It's just a matter of, like, logistics, you know?

Well, like, you know, where was it written that all writs at any level should be zero effort to sustain and then reap the rewards?

And had you acknowledged any of the other benefits you gained, like you know the gold and surveys and inspiration and such, your general "more free for me" post might have had a little more weight behind it. that was the point i was making.

I mean, like you know, here is the thingy you might not have deciphered in all your detailed and comprehensive analysis - you dont have to and are not entitled by Crom to run all those writs at top tier.

See, some folks instead of running to the forum to ask for more for less, some people instead decided to have some of their character run the writs at tier-1, where you get jute and maple and etc back and spend the same but gain just as many surveys and just as much gold... and use those more free profits to fund quick purchases of the other ingredients for the ones they want to run at the top tier (likely for the master writs).

that is what is called, well, like, "logistics" you know - working out sustainable supply chains to meet your needs and balancing needs vs supply.

of course, i could be wrong and maybe some folks do have carved stone tablets from bushes ablaze where they have been told they are entitled to not have to do anything but reap the rewards at top tiers or thereabouts without spending time and effort or even thoughts to sustain them.

The most profitable equipment writs to a large extent are, like alchemy and others, the tier-one writs and they can provide sufficient resources in terms of gold and low tier mats to sustain themselves and pay for quite a few mats to sustain other higher tier writs.

And even more importantly, they are more reliable than forum cries for more free stuff.*

ICYMI, in the old days, these crates did not even drop. They were ADDED to writ boxes that do not have surveys when 1T went into effect. before then, the non-survey writs just were lacking.

So, in addition to ignoring the many ways you can make up the difference, you are actually complaining that the freebie add-on to the writs isn't enough.


*Although, in recent history, the alchemy free-for-me crowd just got the only minor cost associated with top-tier alchey writs taken away (nirnroot) and mitigated down to the point that alchey writs are now in the "more-free-for-me level of easy mode no effort needed at top tier. So maybe just enough forum cries can get there too for equipment writs.**

**But to me this is just half-measures. Why get them to move to free-for-me easy mode writs at top tier - why not just say "just drop it for free onto my character each day" - i mean its not like clicking on the craglorn writ boards and then clicking on the craglorn crates and then a few inventory moves are really increasing your enjoyment in any way, right? So why not go all the way and just argue for "bamf - its there each day with any effort at all, even a single click" writs?

sevomd69 wrote: »

I always saw writs as a way to get surveys which can then be "surveyed" by max toons... also I have different toons doing different level writs... so I will be getting a net gain of Rubedite, Ruby ash and rubedo, from using up the maple, void, etc...

exactly - two tier-1 cp160 and one tier-10 cp160 running the same equip writs can do great at sustaining all three and showing lots of profit - if one chooses to examine the logistics.

It would be 100 times better if they gave unrefined mats instead so you at least get a chance at some tempers.