IMP CITY BOSS/TEL VAR FARMING Question! (psychology!)

Tyrobag · July 2017

Most people don't care if you kill 1 or 2 bosses or groups of adds with them, but if you start following them around then you are just unnecessarily splitting the stones. If you run across a player farming TV, the best thing to do (for you included) is to find your own spot. This way you can both earn the most TV possible, without having to split it.

ofSunhold · July 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

How many tel-var do you guys actually need?

I only ever farm anything if I need a specific item for a specific build. I mean, 70ktv an hour? And it sounds like you do this often? Just let the little guy tag on for 10 mins to get the 5k he needs then hell be done.

Honestly, the minute I get told to bugger off cos its 'someone elses' boss is the minute I switch faction, log my stamblade and go hunting.

Another reason accounts shouldn't be locked to one faction in a campaign.

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2017

Tyrobag wrote: »

Most people don't care if you kill 1 or 2 bosses or groups of adds with them, but if you start following them around then you are just unnecessarily splitting the stones. If you run across a player farming TV, the best thing to do (for you included) is to find your own spot. This way you can both earn the most TV possible, without having to split it.

I respectfully disagree.

You don't know if those people are happy or unhappy to get "help".
Regardless of whether they're happy or not about it, you're free to tag and fight the same monsters as anyone, even repeatedly.
If you tag along other players because you can't actually kill those mobs on your own, that's fine too. That's what MMOs are for.
And yes, everyone shares the stones. That's the name of the game.
Anything else is made up and invalid.

Of course, if noone needs helps killing mobs, the most efficient way is to go separate ways and tag separate mobs.

Magdalina · July 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

How many tel-var do you guys actually need?

I only ever farm anything if I need a specific item for a specific build. I mean, 70ktv an hour? And it sounds like you do this often? Just let the little guy tag on for 10 mins to get the 5k he needs then hell be done.

Honestly, the minute I get told to bugger off cos its 'someone elses' boss is the minute I switch faction, log my stamblade and go hunting.

ALL THE TEL VAR! In all seriousness, I (used to, I haven't done it for a while because I've been farming other stuff instead) farm tel var for alchemy plants and gold(alchemy plants and hakeijo sell very well and can net a nice profit). It's a nice way of acquiring those but it's only really worth the time/effort vs reward ratio if it's <=3 people farming imo. If someone tries to tag along with me I'll try to shake them off and if asked to group I'll try to politely explain why that's...unwanted. If they still insist on tagging along then I'll figure their need for tel var is indeed greater than mine and simply leave to come back at a quieter time, letting them farm the boss(es) to their heart's content. I can actually afford buying herbs now but back when I was farming there I had like 10k gold total and 0 of the potions I needed for my PvE/PvP.

I'm not gonna defend being rude over it, there's no need for that, but wanting to farm in peace is more than understandable in this case. It's just a question of either peacefully finding your own bosses to farm(so both sides can be happy with max tv gains) or leaving(so at least one side can be happy with max tv gains).

Side note, I actually don't mind some small man PvP while farming. Can be fun and worth it even if results in tv loss.

DeHei · July 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

Why do some folks get so upset that you are farming the bosses with them?
It doesn't hurt them! More dps = quicker burn = on to the next target quicker.
Im looking for something reasonable that will make me dislike a player less for spamming "move away from me" and all the other obnoxious comments in zone chat...

Thanks!

For example i deal 25-30k DPS on them with my full PvP setup. Many other PvPler that i know deal arround 10k DPS... i dont want to split this stones with 3 other guys, when they just do the same job together like me solo...

I am much faster in farming without any help!

But i dont would say anybody to leave me alone. Thats ***..

ComboBreaker88 · July 2017

This is exactly why whenever you go into IC make sure you have a guild nate on the opposite team who can gank any players who think they are entitled to come into a boss fight when it's at 5% and throw a few snipes in there when you took all the time to actually do the work. Sure, you don't own the zone or the bosses. But if I see a player fighting something (even a player) if they don't ask for help it's safe to assume they want to do it themselves and I should let them because respect is a two way street and I have no business profitin off the hard work of someone else just because I feel entitled to it.

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2017

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

This is exactly why whenever you go into IC make sure you have a guild nate on the opposite team who can gank any players

This is why guilds should not be allowed to be cross-faction.

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

who think they are entitled to come into a boss fight when it's at 5% and throw a few snipes in there

Don't bother fighting. Even at 5%. Hide and heal :-)

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

if they don't ask for help it's safe to assume they want to do it themselves

It's safe to assume that someone who doesn't explicitly ask for help in the middle of a hard fight doesn't want help ? You have time to write in the chat when fighting a boss mob on your own ? REALLY ???

It's not safe to assume that. It's purely elitist (in the worst possible meaning of the word) to assume that. And totally illogical.

99% of "normal players" will struggle when fighting a boss alone and will assume that any other normal player around with a sane, empathic mind will come along to help.

Because of your attitude, many players who actually want and need help won't get any.

And even if they explicitly asked for help, I'm ready to bet that you would let them die first to "enjoy" the boss alone afterwards.

Sometimes I have to wonder what this game is turning some people into...

O_LYKOS · July 2017

Simple solution, play a different game.

They're playing an MMO, where other players can come along and fight enemies along side them. Whether they like that or not. If not, they're playing the wrong game lol

The fact he's is farming and wants to do it on his own (because it benefits him) has no impact on how others should play the game in the same zone.

generalmyrick · July 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

This is exactly why whenever you go into IC make sure you have a guild nate on the opposite team who can gank any players

This is why guilds should not be allowed to be cross-faction.

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

who think they are entitled to come into a boss fight when it's at 5% and throw a few snipes in there

Don't bother fighting. Even at 5%. Hide and heal :-)

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

if they don't ask for help it's safe to assume they want to do it themselves

It's safe to assume that someone who doesn't explicitly ask for help in the middle of a hard fight doesn't want help ? You have time to write in the chat when fighting a boss mob on your own ? REALLY ???

It's not safe to assume that. It's purely elitist (in the worst possible meaning of the word) to assume that. And totally illogical.

99% of "normal players" will struggle when fighting a boss alone and will assume that any other normal player around with a sane, empathic mind will come along to help.

Because of your attitude, many players who actually want and need help won't get any.

And even if they explicitly asked for help, I'm ready to bet that you would let them die first to "enjoy" the boss alone afterwards.

Sometimes I have to wonder what this game is turning some people into...

excellent points! i "awesomed" you! woot!

i find that dogs resemble their masters! :-)

SirDopey · July 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

They are trying to make a ton of Tel Var Stones in the time they have to farm. This part is easy.

When you come in to "help", what you are really doing is cutting their profit in half and providing unwanted/unnecessary support.

Also, it does not in the slightest mean you put forth a proportional effort into killing the boss. You could simply deal 1% (possibly less) of the boss health in damage and still recieve 50% of the Tel Var stones. This is what causes the real issue here. If you only gained Tel Var stones based on your damage dealt then it wouldn't be an issue. Currently you can jump in for the last 10sec of the fight and benefit as if you were there from the start.

Don't you have to do 10% of the damage to get any stones? Pretty sure I remember reading that in the natch patches a few cycles ago

kargen27 · July 2017

I don't mind when other players jump in and help with a boss. What used to irritate the hell out of me though was when I was getting the fishing achievement and someone would agro a boss then run over to me expecting help. I'd be glad to help if they ask first. If they drag the boss assuming I will help they are probably going to die.

During this event I've noticed a few times (enough to not be coincidence) someone will drag a boss or a lot of ads to a group trying to flip a flag and just at the right moment another faction will jump in when the group is weak and easy pickins.

DeHei · July 2017

The bosses in IC need 15-20min to respawn. A good player can do this into the respawntimer. With more people you just need to wait for bosses and its wasting time. In some hours of the perfect night (as Emp for example) you can make 1million tel var stones in few hours. You just need a bit luck

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2017

kargen27 wrote: »

I'd be glad to help if they ask first. If they drag the boss assuming I will help they are probably going to die.

Be realistic. Do you really think someone in trouble with a boss in IC will have time to whisper you in all courtesy, asking if His Royal Highness wouldn't please mind helping a poor soul in distress ? With tea for two maybe ? :-)

ComboBreaker88 · July 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

This is exactly why whenever you go into IC make sure you have a guild nate on the opposite team who can gank any players

This is why guilds should not be allowed to be cross-faction.

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

who think they are entitled to come into a boss fight when it's at 5% and throw a few snipes in there

Don't bother fighting. Even at 5%. Hide and heal :-)

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

if they don't ask for help it's safe to assume they want to do it themselves

It's safe to assume that someone who doesn't explicitly ask for help in the middle of a hard fight doesn't want help ? You have time to write in the chat when fighting a boss mob on your own ? REALLY ???

It's not safe to assume that. It's purely elitist (in the worst possible meaning of the word) to assume that. And totally illogical.

99% of "normal players" will struggle when fighting a boss alone and will assume that any other normal player around with a sane, empathic mind will come along to help.

Because of your attitude, many players who actually want and need help won't get any.

And even if they explicitly asked for help, I'm ready to bet that you would let them die first to "enjoy" the boss alone afterwards.

Sometimes I have to wonder what this game is turning some people into...

Thats what quick chat is for.. If you can't handle the fights, don't get into them in the first place. Lol. IC bosses are not difficult. It's getting ganked that's the biggest concern. If a player aggro's something and then can't handle it how will they learn if people continue to interfere?

Guilds should be cross faction. And while pointing out other players in stealth is a shady tactic, there's nothing wrong with you and a buddy not attacking one another in a zone that promotes a gank and run play style. That being said Ive got 2 IC builds and they are designed to farm players and bosses in IC. Gank away. If you can.

kargen27 · July 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

I'd be glad to help if they ask first. If they drag the boss assuming I will help they are probably going to die.

Be realistic. Do you really think someone in trouble with a boss in IC will have time to whisper you in all courtesy, asking if His Royal Highness wouldn't please mind helping a poor soul in distress ? With tea for two maybe ? :-)

They can ask before they decide to fight. I understand some players get the attention of the boss by accident and might also accidentally involve others. That doesn't bother me and most the time in that situation they are panicked and just took off running. Then there are those that see you standing there, agro the boss and purposely drag him your way expecting help. It is easy to see the difference between the two (fishing in PvP land your head is on a swivel) and one will probably get my help, the other will not.

Thanks for assuming though it is greatly appreciated.

anitajoneb17_ESO · July 2017

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Thats what quick chat is for.. If you can't handle the fights, don't get into them in the first place. Lol. IC bosses are not difficult.

PC doesn't have quick chat.
The rest is elitist mentality at its best, or better said, at its worst.
IC bosses are unsoloable and difficult for 99.9% of players.
It's not illogical in an MMO to expect other players to come and help, especially for bosses that are DESIGNED to be fought by groups. Soloing bosses in IC, while legit, is the exception and they weren't designed for it.

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Guilds should be cross faction. And while pointing out other players in stealth is a shady tactic, there's nothing wrong with you and a buddy not attacking one another in a zone that promotes a gank and run play style. That being said Ive got 2 IC builds and they are designed to farm players and bosses in IC. Gank away. If you can.

Any kind of pre-arranged non-attacking "pact" between members of opposite factions is considered cheating and abusing. That's why "role players" at Bleakers were punished for. Ganking arrangements with guild mates from opposite factions are clearly cheating.

kargen27 wrote: »

They can ask before they decide to fight. I understand some players get the attention of the boss by accident and might also accidentally involve others. That doesn't bother me and most the time in that situation they are panicked and just took off running. Then there are those that see you standing there, agro the boss and purposely drag him your way expecting help. It is easy to see the difference between the two (fishing in PvP land your head is on a swivel) and one will probably get my help, the other will not.

Considering you differentiate the two situations, then that's ok.

DeHei · July 2017

Guys there is no stress to be ganked while farming bosses in IC. Its just a bit frustrating to lose 50% of your tel'var stones, but when you allready have 50-100k in under 30min, you dont really lose much stones

Its more win-win for you and your gankers

Everybody will win, when bosses are farmed 24/07

Magdalina · July 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

This is exactly why whenever you go into IC make sure you have a guild nate on the opposite team who can gank any players

This is why guilds should not be allowed to be cross-faction.

Erm...that's a pretty nonsensical(is that a word?) statement given a player can (and very much does) make alts in all of the alliances. How do you not allow cross faction guilds if most of its members have characters in all of the alliances? Or should guilds only be for those pure in spirits and having characters in one alliance only?

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Any kind of pre-arranged non-attacking "pact" between members of opposite factions is considered cheating and abusing. That's why "role players" at Bleakers were punished for. Ganking arrangements with guild mates from opposite factions are clearly cheating.

While the final say remains for ZOS, I highly, HIGHLY doubt any kind of non attacking pact between members of opposing alliance is cheating. If I want to farm IC bosses on my EP and my friend comes along on his DC because that's his only suitably geared character and then we run into a random AD and end up 3-faction-manning IC bosses, so be it. We aren't gaining anything from it, actually losing because our aoes hit each other and healing doesn't. What IS (borderline) cheating(and what the "roleplayers" got rightfully punished for) is using such a pact in order to exploit ap gain mechanics.

That said, I agree that asking a cross faction guildie to gank the poor fellow would be low. If I got really annoyed at them tagging along and not listening to polite requests not to do so, I'd log on my other alliance toon myself and we'd figure who has bigger right to this tel var up close and personal, by the right of power

StormWylf · July 2017

Malmai wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

The best response is "I paid for the game too, and have just as much right to be here". If they don't like it then they can go play something single player.

Also try to remember that yourself - then you'll be more able to laugh off their idiocy instead of trying to excuse your presence to them in a game that you paid for.

Its true its MMO and he can do whatever he wants but if you do that you are either kid or idiot...

Absolutely Malmaic! It's a public instance. Just like Public Dungeons or Dolmens. SERIOUSLY some of you really feel entitled that because you saw it first? So now no one else should join in due to etiquette? This is awesome! ROFLOL

ComboBreaker88 · July 2017

If it's elitist to assume that if you start a fight with something, you should be able to finish what you started, color me guilty. The game already goes the extra mile for players who simply refuse to theory craft or runs viable builds. Maybe if people held themselves to a higher standard being an elitist wouldn't be viewed as a negative by lazy players. It's one thing to belittle players, it's another to expect that they can carry their own weight. And not continuously get themselves into situations where they just expect other players to help them because they need it. I'll help a player if I have time and they ask, but when it boils down to it. There is no reason I should waste my time gaming trying to help players who just don't get how to play the game.

generalmyrick · July 2017

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

If it's elitist to assume that if you start a fight with something, you should be able to finish what you started, color me guilty. The game already goes the extra mile for players who simply refuse to theory craft or runs viable builds. Maybe if people held themselves to a higher standard being an elitist wouldn't be viewed as a negative by lazy players. It's one thing to belittle players, it's another to expect that they can carry their own weight. And not continuously get themselves into situations where they just expect other players to help them because they need it. I'll help a player if I have time and they ask, but when it boils down to it. There is no reason I should waste my time gaming trying to help players who just don't get how to play the game.

off topic, but i don't like how you're looked down on by a majority if you're not running a cookie cutter...kinda...not tolerant if you ask me.

SFDB · July 2017

Tyrobag wrote: »

Most people don't care if you kill 1 or 2 bosses or groups of adds with them, but if you start following them around then you are just unnecessarily splitting the stones. If you run across a player farming TV, the best thing to do (for you included) is to find your own spot. This way you can both earn the most TV possible, without having to split it.

This happened to me, came out of a room and found someone fighting a monster, so joined in like in any fight outside of IC I see. Apparently he didn't like that, and so messaged me his disapproval. Unfortunately for him, he expressed this as "Come on!" and got on his horse. Well if someone says "Come on!" and hops on a horse and rides off, why wouldn't you follow them, assuming that you were newfound buds off to kill some bosses, another fine example of the ESO community, a vet taking a new and inexperienced player through the wonders of this world? Instead he got real mad and started cussing me out for following him.

Yup, in ESO PVP, people get mad if you do exactly what they tell you. One more reason to hate going into IC, I guess.

lionofjudah7 · May 2018

When i encounter players like this, i hide , wait till boss is in execute range then jump out and throw a few executes then run away with half their tel var , then stalk them for the rest of their loop and keep stealing stones from boss without doing any work

firedrgn · May 2018

Some of you are blaming other players for a sytem that they did not design. Its not the players fault its bad design. Acknowledged by your own statments.
Blaming players just shows your logical fallacies.

generalmyrick · May 2018

^
oh my...

logical fallacies! hahahahaha

JamieAubrey · May 2018

Who let the necros out

xeNNNNN · May 2018

- It splits stones

- Increases the likelyhood of more enemy players saying in zone: <Insert colour> ZERG IN <insert name> DISTRICT! Attracting the attention of whatever annoying Grand Overlord group thats mindlessly zerging sewers at the time. You know who you are you horrible people.

- Burn the bosses too fast and you wont do the district circuit efficiently it will just mean that eventually by the time you get to the next district that it will not of spawned by the time you've come full circle because it was done too fast.

- More people, more mechanics. Added mechanics intensify causing "problems" aoe wise, i.e the spider daedra boss who has call lightning and such or the lord warden looking boss, who spawns scamp portals with scamps that explode. More people More explosions. This is also very problematic when getting ganked mid boss fight.

The list goes on but the rest of its fairly trivial.

Darkfire_Priest · May 2018

If you know my gamertag on PS4 NA, you know what happens when you cut into my tel var ☠️

generalmyrick · May 2018

Darkfire_Priest wrote: »

If you know my gamertag on PS4 NA, you know what happens when you cut into my tel var ☠️

I recognize you!

Lylith · May 2018

as many are so wont to say, 'this is an mmo.'

deal with it.