lol at what Deltia says

Don't quote Deltia. Dude isn't all there.

So... Deletia's data may be... a little bit out of date. I can't remember when he left the community. Morrowind, I think. But... even before that his builds were kinda... let's go with, "special circumstances."

Koensol wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

So... Deletia's data may be... a little bit out of date. I can't remember when he left the community. Morrowind, I think. But... even before that his builds were kinda... let's go with, "special circumstances."

But he made them work. And you cannot deny that Sorc burst in pvp is way too easy to pul off. It's literally cast curse, frag proc, mages wrath, forcepulse once and they can burst someone down. All from the safety of at least 2 shields. If they mess up its okay. Compare this to stamina nb (not the proctards but a properly built stam nb). That is way harder to play, needs more reflexes and larger chance to mess up and die. Sorc is just cast and forget.

Just play one then if you think they're so good.

Reasons mag sorcs are OP:
1. You're bad


that's pretty much it.

Mag sorcs are OP (compared to other classes) because they have easy to achieve burst and great survival, not to mention one of the best tools to disengage the fight (much more reliable than cloak and elusive mist).

Shields cannot be critically hit, so, once you have your shields on, you're immune to crits, making Impen not that necessary, compared to other classes (it still is, but you could do without).

Curse/frag/wrath is a mean mean burst from max range.

See where this is going ?

Usually, if you have great burst, you're squishy, or if you have great survivability you do less damage.

Think of mag DKs, they have to stand there and wear you down while keeping you CCd, or BoL spamming templars, they can outheal the damage, but literally wait for you to get bored and leave.

A magsorc low on health can stack shields up and streak away to heal up, come back and try again.

By comparison, is easier to counter a permacloaking stamblade than a shield stacking magsorc, unless you really invest in an anti-shield build (which is not viable in no-CP).

Hope this helps.

Koensol wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

So... Deletia's data may be... a little bit out of date. I can't remember when he left the community. Morrowind, I think. But... even before that his builds were kinda... let's go with, "special circumstances."

But he made them work. And you cannot deny that Sorc burst in pvp is way too easy to pul off. It's literally cast curse, frag proc, mages wrath, forcepulse once and they can burst someone down. All from the safety of at least 2 shields. If they mess up its okay. Compare this to stamina nb (not the proctards but a properly built stam nb). That is way harder to play, needs more reflexes and larger chance to mess up and die. Sorc is just cast and forget.

Just play one then if you think they're so good.

No, because they are boring as hell to play and don't offer any challenge. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining for a nerf here. Im just telling you magsorc has the most easy job at being powerful and pulling off mighty burst in pvp.

Magsorcs are not boring, you still have to micro manage shields and damage, but the argument that since they're so powerful you should play one is weak, what if I don't like to play the sorc, and want to play the DK or the NB instead ? Still not a good reason to have the disparity in power

In every mmo its this pure-range classes with high burst that seem very strong compared to others.
And sorcerer is very strong, not only because you can play them range-only, but also because of their abilities.

When ever I play BGs I get pissed by sorcs rather fast with how little effort they have to take to kill something. Not to mention Endless Fury / mage's wrath.

However directly nerfing would be too much imo.
A better solution would be too add damage penalty the longer the distance.
Secondly : to make shields crittable.
And applying those changes to any class and ability (yes I am looking at you snipe-spammers)

These same things keep coming up. I'm way to bored of it to keep coming up with the same old reasons as to why this is bad.

So since the main complaint is burst, I'll give you a clue...
Its the most telegraphed and easily avoidable burst in game. When I play sorc, its very easy to see who the potatoes are.. Those are the guys who consistently take the full burst.
Any good sorc knows they need to get close to the enemy to increase the chance of landing the burst.
And let me guess, you guys are on console?

Also, implosion, let's not forget implosion.

The only class with 2 executes, one of which passive that can proc off the first execute.

Kildayen wrote: »

lol at what Deltia says

Don't quote Deltia. Dude isn't all there.

QFT

Mag Sorcs aren't op.
They have a niche where they are good, but every class has that.
Sorcs are the worst healers & worst tanks. They are good at DPS.
Nerf the DPS and they are back to 1.5 where they were useless at everything.

Koensol wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

These same things keep coming up. I'm way to bored of it to keep coming up with the same old reasons as to why this is bad.

So since the main complaint is burst, I'll give you a clue...
Its the most telegraphed and easily avoidable burst in game. When I play sorc, its very easy to see who the potatoes are.. Those are the guys who consistently take the full burst.
Any good sorc knows they need to get close to the enemy to increase the chance of landing the burst.
And let me guess, you guys are on console?

Stop kidding yourself. Have you played any other class than magsorc? If you honestly have the balls to claim it is not easier to play magsorc then you are delusional. Nothing more to say. Of course some of the burst can be countered, but if someone counters your burst, NO PROBLEM. Try again. It doesn't work as easy like that on other classes. And curse+mages wrath proc at the same time is an insanely easy and high burst combo that can make you go down in a heartbeat.

Playing Stamplar at the mo. Also have a level 50 stamblade and stamsorc.

Koensol wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

So... Deletia's data may be... a little bit out of date. I can't remember when he left the community. Morrowind, I think. But... even before that his builds were kinda... let's go with, "special circumstances."

But he made them work.

Kinda.

Koensol wrote: »

And you cannot deny that Sorc burst in pvp is way too easy to pul off.

Which is probably why your previous statement is true-ish.

The takeaway, for @vpy should be that Deltia's builds were never particularly good. Workable, sure, but not good.

Its not wise to make deicisons based on what some ESO celebrity said.
Also, I think Deltia doesnt play anymore? Im not following him but there was a thread about this a while ago.

No nerf is required except shield stacking need a cooldown!