Bot train of about 7 running a circuit around Willowgrove Wayshrine on Reapers March.

twev · July 2017

Several sorcs in the mix, with twilights and pets.

I expect to see them there for the next few weeks.

Balsagna · July 2017

Inconceivable

qsnoopyjr · July 2017

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Lemme tell ya something that occurred outside the millenial age. They call this age the golden age of gaming.
Once upon a time, there was a game called 'runescape'
filled with many people because it was free and people wanted to play with there friends who didnt have the real MMORPGs and these were people 13-18 years old.
in runescape, all you do is farm farm farm
you and your friends would farm ores all day, and eventually you get mid level to farm some good money ores.
very very few farm spots for these
every now and then, actually a lot of times...
BOSS
would come.
one pick that ore, and its his. takes ALL the good mid level ores from everyone.
Aint nothing you can do but cry and pay respect to
BOSS
and try logging in at odd hours hoping
BOSS
isnt there

see back in my times kido,
good players could ruin your game

now its 2017, these are world class developers in the ESO team, they should have no issues or already know before you do when a cheater is cheating
since its 2017, they have made everything easymode, lots and lots of nodes... no more back in golden age of gaming scarcity of nodes. Think to yourself, are these bots really ruining your game??? Think about all the nodes out there and all the other farming locations in this game. Now think about those few bots, that the developers, WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, already know because of coding that sends an alert to them when PC's are showing bot like behavior. If you worried just report and go on about your day, no need to get overly hyped up about it. ESO most likely already knows, this is most likely... there 1000th claim that... bots are out there.
ESO is world class, just make threads thanking them instead, because they dont disclose the amount of bots they have banned. you'd be surprised how many bots they have banned.

So go on about your day, be thankful you aren't in the golden age of gaming.

Elsonso · July 2017

twev wrote: »

Several sorcs in the mix, with twilights and pets.

I expect to see them there for the next few weeks.

What platform and server?

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Bots ruin the in-game economy by oversupplying the market with mats. This makes it harder to legitimate farmers to make their gold because prices are driven down by the oversupply.

So yes, as a farmer, bots are ruining my experience.

The bots OP describes are probably just grinding XP, but they're a symptom of the same problem. If ZOS isn't banning XP bots, they aren't banning farming bots either (and I know they aren't dealing with farming bots because I continue to see them on all my farming circuits).

kargen27 · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Lemme tell ya something that occurred outside the millenial age. They call this age the golden age of gaming.
Once upon a time, there was a game called 'runescape'
filled with many people because it was free and people wanted to play with there friends who didnt have the real MMORPGs and these were people 13-18 years old.
in runescape, all you do is farm farm farm
you and your friends would farm ores all day, and eventually you get mid level to farm some good money ores.
very very few farm spots for these
every now and then, actually a lot of times...
BOSS
would come.
one pick that ore, and its his. takes ALL the good mid level ores from everyone.
Aint nothing you can do but cry and pay respect to
BOSS
and try logging in at odd hours hoping
BOSS
isnt there

see back in my times kido,
good players could ruin your game

now its 2017, these are world class developers in the ESO team, they should have no issues or already know before you do when a cheater is cheating
since its 2017, they have made everything easymode, lots and lots of nodes... no more back in golden age of gaming scarcity of nodes. Think to yourself, are these bots really ruining your game??? Think about all the nodes out there and all the other farming locations in this game. Now think about those few bots, that the developers, WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, already know because of coding that sends an alert to them when PC's are showing bot like behavior. If you worried just report and go on about your day, no need to get overly hyped up about it. ESO most likely already knows, this is most likely... there 1000th claim that... bots are out there.
ESO is world class, just make threads thanking them instead, because they dont disclose the amount of bots they have banned. you'd be surprised how many bots they have banned.

So go on about your day, be thankful you aren't in the golden age of gaming.

Cheating is cheating and should not be tolerated whether it impact your game play or not.

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

kargen27 wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Lemme tell ya something that occurred outside the millenial age. They call this age the golden age of gaming.
Once upon a time, there was a game called 'runescape'
filled with many people because it was free and people wanted to play with there friends who didnt have the real MMORPGs and these were people 13-18 years old.
in runescape, all you do is farm farm farm
you and your friends would farm ores all day, and eventually you get mid level to farm some good money ores.
very very few farm spots for these
every now and then, actually a lot of times...
BOSS
would come.
one pick that ore, and its his. takes ALL the good mid level ores from everyone.
Aint nothing you can do but cry and pay respect to
BOSS
and try logging in at odd hours hoping
BOSS
isnt there

see back in my times kido,
good players could ruin your game

now its 2017, these are world class developers in the ESO team, they should have no issues or already know before you do when a cheater is cheating
since its 2017, they have made everything easymode, lots and lots of nodes... no more back in golden age of gaming scarcity of nodes. Think to yourself, are these bots really ruining your game??? Think about all the nodes out there and all the other farming locations in this game. Now think about those few bots, that the developers, WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, already know because of coding that sends an alert to them when PC's are showing bot like behavior. If you worried just report and go on about your day, no need to get overly hyped up about it. ESO most likely already knows, this is most likely... there 1000th claim that... bots are out there.
ESO is world class, just make threads thanking them instead, because they dont disclose the amount of bots they have banned. you'd be surprised how many bots they have banned.

So go on about your day, be thankful you aren't in the golden age of gaming.

Cheating is cheating and should not be tolerated whether it impact your game play or not.

The thing is, bots very much affect your gameplay. Just look at what they did to the EU economy recently. Completely tanked it by unloading thousands of aetherial dust and other rare mats at once.

qsnoopyjr · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Bots ruin the in-game economy by oversupplying the market with mats. This makes it harder to legitimate farmers to make their gold because prices are driven down by the oversupply.

So yes, as a farmer, bots are ruining my experience.

The bots OP describes are probably just grinding XP, but they're a symptom of the same problem. If ZOS isn't banning XP bots, they aren't banning farming bots either (and I know they aren't dealing with farming bots because I continue to see them on all my farming circuits).

Mr. MakesExcusesBoy
flooding the market???

You have to be in a trade guild to flood the market.
ZoS sees whose the stuff going to too, so the mule will get the ban too.

kargen27 wrote: »

Cheating is cheating and should not be tolerated whether it impact your game play or not.

No kidding, point is, ZoS already knows. If those bots havent been banned yet, its because they are watching them and learning who the head honcho is, so they can ban that person too. I say that because, some people think they flood the market... Well you gotta let them do their thing and find out who they mailing everything too and ban that account too. You don't just immediate ban.

ZoS has WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, they know this stuff before you do. You know how many bots they have banned? You know how many times they had to hear this?

You two should be paying respect to ZoS for all the bots they have banned that they don't disclose instead of trying to come up with your next excuses Mr. MakesExcusesOne and Mr. MakesExcusesTwo.

TheInfernalRage · July 2017

Saw many of those in the PC/NA. First I saw was in Rivenspire; probably farming Necropotence set. Lately, I saw two in Auridon (in the town taken over by fake guards just north of Vulkhel Guard) for maybe XP. And yes, always Sorcerers. I did not have a problem with them in the beginning but, just for emphasis:

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bots ruin the in-game economy by oversupplying the market with mats. This makes it harder to legitimate farmers to make their gold because prices are driven down by the oversupply.

So yes, as a farmer, bots are ruining my experience.

The bots OP describes are probably just grinding XP, but they're a symptom of the same problem. If ZOS isn't banning XP bots, they aren't banning farming bots either (and I know they aren't dealing with farming bots because I continue to see them on all my farming circuits).

Elsonso · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Bots ruin the in-game economy by oversupplying the market with mats. This makes it harder to legitimate farmers to make their gold because prices are driven down by the oversupply.

So yes, as a farmer, bots are ruining my experience.

The bots OP describes are probably just grinding XP, but they're a symptom of the same problem. If ZOS isn't banning XP bots, they aren't banning farming bots either.

They are really slow at dealing with bots. Glacially slow.

The guy I reported from ticket #170708-001383 was still running the same pattern yesterday when I did a health and welfare check on him yesterday to make sure he was properly hydrated and had food. Today, he was gone, but that could be due to the networking problems.

I also wonder how many people actually report bots.

There's another bot running in Shadowfen that I have not reported that has been there since June 14. I don't check every day, but I have seen them there on 24 different days, the latest being yesterday, July 26.

Has ZOS ever dealt with a bot that I reported? Possibly. Ticket #170611-001710 involved a bot that I first saw on June 4, but did not report until June 11. The last I saw of them was on June 20. Did ZOS do something? Did the player simply go farm elsewhere? Too soon to tell. I have a list of tickets that I track, but it is still too soon to say that these accounts are out of the game. It can take weeks before I might randomly come across these people in other places.

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Bots ruin the in-game economy by oversupplying the market with mats. This makes it harder to legitimate farmers to make their gold because prices are driven down by the oversupply.

So yes, as a farmer, bots are ruining my experience.

The bots OP describes are probably just grinding XP, but they're a symptom of the same problem. If ZOS isn't banning XP bots, they aren't banning farming bots either (and I know they aren't dealing with farming bots because I continue to see them on all my farming circuits).

Mr. MakesExcusesBoy
flooding the market???

You have to be in a trade guild to flood the market.
ZoS sees whose the stuff going to too, so the mule will get the ban too.

kargen27 wrote: »

Cheating is cheating and should not be tolerated whether it impact your game play or not.

No kidding, point is, ZoS already knows. If those bots havent been banned yet, its because they are watching them and learning who the head honcho is, so they can ban that person too. I say that because, some people think they flood the market... Well you gotta let them do their thing and find out who they mailing everything too and ban that account too. You don't just immediate ban.

ZoS has WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, they know this stuff before you do. You know how many bots they have banned? You know how many times they had to hear this?

You two should be paying respect to ZoS for all the bots they have banned that they don't disclose instead of trying to come up with your next excuses Mr. MakesExcusesOne and Mr. MakesExcusesTwo.

You're either trolling or a botter yourself.

In case you aren't either, here is an example of bots literally tanking the economy overnight: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/356366/unlimited-aetherial-dust/p1

ESO has no anti-cheat system as far as I know. Bots are banned based on manual reports.

twev · July 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

twev wrote: »

Several sorcs in the mix, with twilights and pets.

I expect to see them there for the next few weeks.

What platform and server?

Sorry, you're right, I left it out.
It's part of my sig on a different forum, and I didn't think of it.
PC/NA is in my sig, now.

Regarding not seeing bots on occasion:
I know that if I don't specifically group with friends - then porting to them sometimes puts me into a different instance, even if it's standing in front of the wayshrine in Vulkhel Guard with no quests causing a split.

So I assume it's just as possible to be in an instance that doesn't include a bot train that is running it's normal path in a parallel Tamriel.

AdicusDio · July 2017

I've seen them as well. Every group of them ALWAYS have Twillight or Scampsand run on a set course, following each other exactly on ther same route (one jumps in the water, moves 2 steps forward, 1 step right, 1 step left, then forward, all of them follow in sequence) and use the same basic attacks (like jeezus beam). Ifollowed one group for 5 minutes, and pulled some extra mobs to them which overwhelmed most of them easily enough.

The people seemingly defending "bots" are most likely using them. Utter garbage.

max_only · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Lemme tell ya something that occurred outside the millenial age. They call this age the golden age of gaming.
Once upon a time, there was a game called 'runescape'
filled with many people because it was free and people wanted to play with there friends who didnt have the real MMORPGs and these were people 13-18 years old.
in runescape, all you do is farm farm farm
you and your friends would farm ores all day, and eventually you get mid level to farm some good money ores.
very very few farm spots for these
every now and then, actually a lot of times...
BOSS
would come.
one pick that ore, and its his. takes ALL the good mid level ores from everyone.
Aint nothing you can do but cry and pay respect to
BOSS
and try logging in at odd hours hoping
BOSS
isnt there

see back in my times kido,
good players could ruin your game

now its 2017, these are world class developers in the ESO team, they should have no issues or already know before you do when a cheater is cheating
since its 2017, they have made everything easymode, lots and lots of nodes... no more back in golden age of gaming scarcity of nodes. Think to yourself, are these bots really ruining your game??? Think about all the nodes out there and all the other farming locations in this game. Now think about those few bots, that the developers, WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, already know because of coding that sends an alert to them when PC's are showing bot like behavior. If you worried just report and go on about your day, no need to get overly hyped up about it. ESO most likely already knows, this is most likely... there 1000th claim that... bots are out there.
ESO is world class, just make threads thanking them instead, because they dont disclose the amount of bots they have banned. you'd be surprised how many bots they have banned.

So go on about your day, be thankful you aren't in the golden age of gaming.

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Bots ruin the in-game economy by oversupplying the market with mats. This makes it harder to legitimate farmers to make their gold because prices are driven down by the oversupply.

So yes, as a farmer, bots are ruining my experience.

The bots OP describes are probably just grinding XP, but they're a symptom of the same problem. If ZOS isn't banning XP bots, they aren't banning farming bots either (and I know they aren't dealing with farming bots because I continue to see them on all my farming circuits).

Mr. MakesExcusesBoy
flooding the market???

You have to be in a trade guild to flood the market.
ZoS sees whose the stuff going to too, so the mule will get the ban too.

kargen27 wrote: »

Cheating is cheating and should not be tolerated whether it impact your game play or not.

No kidding, point is, ZoS already knows. If those bots havent been banned yet, its because they are watching them and learning who the head honcho is, so they can ban that person too. I say that because, some people think they flood the market... Well you gotta let them do their thing and find out who they mailing everything too and ban that account too. You don't just immediate ban.

ZoS has WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, they know this stuff before you do. You know how many bots they have banned? You know how many times they had to hear this?

You two should be paying respect to ZoS for all the bots they have banned that they don't disclose instead of trying to come up with your next excuses Mr. MakesExcusesOne and Mr. MakesExcusesTwo.

Azurya · July 2017

where is the proof?
no pics
no vid
no bots

Tonnopesce · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Bots ruin the in-game economy by oversupplying the market with mats. This makes it harder to legitimate farmers to make their gold because prices are driven down by the oversupply.

So yes, as a farmer, bots are ruining my experience.

The bots OP describes are probably just grinding XP, but they're a symptom of the same problem. If ZOS isn't banning XP bots, they aren't banning farming bots either (and I know they aren't dealing with farming bots because I continue to see them on all my farming circuits).

Mr. MakesExcusesBoy
flooding the market???

You have to be in a trade guild to flood the market.
ZoS sees whose the stuff going to too, so the mule will get the ban too.

kargen27 wrote: »

Cheating is cheating and should not be tolerated whether it impact your game play or not.

No kidding, point is, ZoS already knows. If those bots havent been banned yet, its because they are watching them and learning who the head honcho is, so they can ban that person too. I say that because, some people think they flood the market... Well you gotta let them do their thing and find out who they mailing everything too and ban that account too. You don't just immediate ban.

ZoS has WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, they know this stuff before you do. You know how many bots they have banned? You know how many times they had to hear this?

You two should be paying respect to ZoS for all the bots they have banned that they don't disclose instead of trying to come up with your next excuses Mr. MakesExcusesOne and Mr. MakesExcusesTwo.

Dude really?

Slick_007 · July 2017

the bot train in reapers has been there a while now. i've seen it too

twev · July 2017

Azurya wrote: »

where is the proof?
no pics
no vid
no bots

http://imgur.com/gallery/aBcYF

The image icon in the toolbar isn't working for me.
I hate this forum.

Qbiken · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Lemme tell ya something that occurred outside the millenial age. They call this age the golden age of gaming.
Once upon a time, there was a game called 'runescape'
filled with many people because it was free and people wanted to play with there friends who didnt have the real MMORPGs and these were people 13-18 years old.
in runescape, all you do is farm farm farm
you and your friends would farm ores all day, and eventually you get mid level to farm some good money ores.
very very few farm spots for these
every now and then, actually a lot of times...
BOSS
would come.
one pick that ore, and its his. takes ALL the good mid level ores from everyone.
Aint nothing you can do but cry and pay respect to
BOSS
and try logging in at odd hours hoping
BOSS
isnt there

see back in my times kido,
good players could ruin your game

now its 2017, these are world class developers in the ESO team, they should have no issues or already know before you do when a cheater is cheating
since its 2017, they have made everything easymode, lots and lots of nodes... no more back in golden age of gaming scarcity of nodes. Think to yourself, are these bots really ruining your game??? Think about all the nodes out there and all the other farming locations in this game. Now think about those few bots, that the developers, WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, already know because of coding that sends an alert to them when PC's are showing bot like behavior. If you worried just report and go on about your day, no need to get overly hyped up about it. ESO most likely already knows, this is most likely... there 1000th claim that... bots are out there.
ESO is world class, just make threads thanking them instead, because they dont disclose the amount of bots they have banned. you'd be surprised how many bots they have banned.

So go on about your day, be thankful you aren't in the golden age of gaming.

I thought I´d never see the "It´s the current year" argument on this site. And what does "the golden age of farming" have to do with anything?? And the real problem with bots is that they can manipulate the market. As someone stated it´s not unlikely that players with multiple bot-accounts were involved in the latest aetherial dust "exploit". If these players used all the mats the farmed for them self I wouldn´t mind at all, but since that´s not the case bots are and will always be a problem.

And yes, for some players bots are ruining their game experience. A lot of players play ESO for the quests and seeing a train of bots in an area killing all the mobs in a rotation is an killer of immersion if anything. A player farming mats on their own can always stop a few minutes and let other players do their quests and then continue farming, most people know how to behave, but unless you´re a gamemaster you can´t do anything against a bottrain on the spot.

Elsonso · July 2017

twev wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

twev wrote: »

Several sorcs in the mix, with twilights and pets.

I expect to see them there for the next few weeks.

What platform and server?

Sorry, you're right, I left it out.
It's part of my sig on a different forum, and I didn't think of it.
PC/NA is in my sig, now.

I swung by there today and saw 5 accounts running that circuit. Oddly enough, one of them is an account that I had noticed doing the same thing in Shadowfen back in June.

Arkadius · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

ZoS has WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, they know this stuff before you do. You know how many bots they have banned? You know how many times they had to hear this?

You two should be paying respect to ZoS for all the bots they have banned that they don't disclose instead of trying to come up with your next excuses Mr. MakesExcusesOne and Mr. MakesExcusesTwo.

ZoS has ***!

kargen27 · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Bots ruin the in-game economy by oversupplying the market with mats. This makes it harder to legitimate farmers to make their gold because prices are driven down by the oversupply.

So yes, as a farmer, bots are ruining my experience.

The bots OP describes are probably just grinding XP, but they're a symptom of the same problem. If ZOS isn't banning XP bots, they aren't banning farming bots either (and I know they aren't dealing with farming bots because I continue to see them on all my farming circuits).

Mr. MakesExcusesBoy
flooding the market???

You have to be in a trade guild to flood the market.
ZoS sees whose the stuff going to too, so the mule will get the ban too.

kargen27 wrote: »

Cheating is cheating and should not be tolerated whether it impact your game play or not.

No kidding, point is, ZoS already knows. If those bots havent been banned yet, its because they are watching them and learning who the head honcho is, so they can ban that person too. I say that because, some people think they flood the market... Well you gotta let them do their thing and find out who they mailing everything too and ban that account too. You don't just immediate ban.

ZoS has WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, they know this stuff before you do. You know how many bots they have banned? You know how many times they had to hear this?

You two should be paying respect to ZoS for all the bots they have banned that they don't disclose instead of trying to come up with your next excuses Mr. MakesExcusesOne and Mr. MakesExcusesTwo.

That is all well and good but you came in here with this, "my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience. they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?" You then went on to somehow try and justify ignoring the bots because you had it ever so much tougher when you were but a lad. My statement stands. Cheating should not be tolerated. Not by the players and not by ZoS. ZoS has limited resources and if we can make them aware of bots sooner than they might find them on their own we should take the time to do that. Think of it akin to a 9-1-1 call. Better to have twenty people report a fire than have nobody call because they figure the fire department already knows. If you see someone cheating report them. Don't get all bent out of shape if there isn't a immediate response and don't get discouraged thinking nothing is being done. Keep on reporting cheaters because that is the part you can do in maybe making things better.

Ackwalan · July 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

Inconceivable

I don't think that means what you think it means.

Jamascus · July 2017

twev wrote: »

Several sorcs in the mix, with twilights and pets.

I expect to see them there for the next few weeks.

There are infinitely more important things to be worried about than bots.

twev · July 2017

Jamascus wrote: »

twev wrote: »

Several sorcs in the mix, with twilights and pets.

I expect to see them there for the next few weeks.

There are infinitely more important things to be worried about than bots.

Taking exception to 'infinitely', as that would imply that the volume of game code that is poorly written or broken far overwhelms the stuff in the game that actually works:
I basically agree, but I don't come here to the forum to discuss world peace, or the likelihood of whether an asteroid is going to strike the Earth in the next 20 years or not.

However,

since cheaters are proliferating in the form of (for example) bot trains harvesting resources,
(edited to add) and killing nodes of NPCs in a circuit in an area, rinse/repeat/forever multiplied by dozens of areas,
and doing it 24/7 seemingly with little official intervention,
and with all the subtlety of a pack of idiots on spring break running amok in a sleepy town,
and manipulating the economy by flooding the markets with materials harvested on an industrial scale,

yeah, it breaks immersion by shear numbers of incident all over the map.

There may be bigger issues, (that also don't seem to be getting solved with any particular speed), but 1000 small incidents sometimes weigh more than several larger ones, and are clearly capable of being more of a nuisance.

While add-ons are allowed in game - please point out the section of the forums where ZOS allows bot programing and manipulation to be discussed openly by bot users/developers to enhance efficiency?

If industrial harvesting was supposed to be allowed, why did ZOS bother to put materials in random locations, or spread them out making them harder to accumulate quickly, or even restrict the numbers of materials harvested from individual nodes unless we spent CP points to become slightly more efficient on an individual basis.

The in-game group finder tool doesn't work terribly well but ZOS lets a single bot programmer run his own militia of drones around the map harvesting with little to no 'player' time involved actually playing the game - and we're supposed to shrug it off with a 'to each his own' process?

What if/when bots take the next step and become automated raiding parties in PvP with a dozen bots in a group (times several groups) running across the map taking castle and keep with several live players then manning the taken points while the bots move on to the next point in the middle of the night? Maybe bots can defend the castles/keeps, too.
That going to be just one small step to 'Well we already have bots now, and....'?

Lastly, considering the success with fixing the big problems lately, and the pace that they tend to be fixed at, maybe it wouldn't hurt to focus on fixing some of the little things that are highly visible all over the map, you know, just to show that some fixes can actually be 'achieved'?

When a game accumulates a critical mass of cheaters and exploiters -

Whats the point of playing for the personal satisfaction of achievement that an infinite number of bots can do?
Who besides the cheaters and exploiters wants to start or continue to play a game that has a multitude of cheaters and exploiters playing the game?
Once a game develops a reputation for being easily hacked, or having lax or lazy official controls on/over the cheats/hacks, legitimate players tend not to want to remain associated with the game.

Good hunting.

Epona222 · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

my gosh, they must surely be ruining your experience.

they taking your mobs? they taking your resources?

Bots ruin the in-game economy by oversupplying the market with mats. This makes it harder to legitimate farmers to make their gold because prices are driven down by the oversupply.

So yes, as a farmer, bots are ruining my experience.

The bots OP describes are probably just grinding XP, but they're a symptom of the same problem. If ZOS isn't banning XP bots, they aren't banning farming bots either (and I know they aren't dealing with farming bots because I continue to see them on all my farming circuits).

Also in that spot they may also be ruining a quest for people if their circuit includes the atronachs above Willowgrove - part of the quest involves collecting items from the bodies of atronachs that you have killed - kind of difficult if there are bots killing everything as soon as it spawns.

Jerkling · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote:

[...] No kidding, point is, ZoS already knows. If those bots havent been banned yet, its because they are watching them and learning who the head honcho is, so they can ban that person too. I say that because, some people think they flood the market... Well you gotta let them do their thing and find out who they mailing everything too and ban that account too. You don't just immediate ban.

ZoS has WORLD CLASS DEVELOPERS, they know this stuff before you do. You know how many bots they have banned? You know how many times they had to hear this?

You two should be paying respect to ZoS for all the bots they have banned that they don't disclose instead of trying to come up with your next excuses Mr. MakesExcusesOne and Mr. MakesExcusesTwo.

that you call them bots already shows that you have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you are talking about... ZOS doesn't have to find out anything since it's just one guy/gal sitting infront of one machine with one IP, just like you.

also, every single one of you "farmers", wheater you call yourself legitimate or not, is ruining the game by inflating the money and oversupplying with items and materials. if it weren't for you stuff wouldn't cost 150 or 250k but maybe 10k tops. it's your damn greed and the constant want and need to always have more money that makes pretty much all mmo's s**k these days. so everyone who is actually ruining your farming experience and money making schemes deserves a god damn gold medal!

Elsonso · July 2017

Jerkling wrote: »

that you call them bots already shows that you have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you are talking about... ZOS doesn't have to find out anything since it's just one guy/gal sitting infront of one machine with one IP, just like you.

A lot of the references in here, if not all of them, are probably referring to bots. They are running a program that runs an account independently, with no need for human interaction. It does not take a lot of time to be able to determine this. Eventually, one of them dies, either by accident or by some nefarious design, or gets stuck, or gets separated from the group, and it is at that point that the unattended nature of what is happening becomes clear. It is at that point that I used to report them.

NolaArch · July 2017

A few sorc bot trains have been running in Shadowfen for months. Some say they're still farming to this day.

Actually, they are. Saw a train yesterday.

Elsonso · July 2017

NolaArch wrote: »

A few sorc bot trains have been running in Shadowfen for months. Some say they're still farming to this day.

Actually, they are. Saw a train yesterday.

There is one bot train that has been running pretty much continuously through Shadowfen for a long time (3-4 months, at least). All of the accounts have changed since I first started watching. However, a few of the accounts have been there since mid June.

Jerkling · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote:

A lot of the references in here, if not all of them, are probably referring to bots. [...]

no, it's not. the program used is called ISboxer, or it's programs just like it, that allows one user to controll several character (ie clients) simultaniously on one machine. it's called multiboxing in general, which actually just means having several clients (boxes) open at the same time. the right term to use is multiplexing but that is not really important here. however, it has nothing to do with bots, not in that sense anyways.