July 2015 V14 DK 750CP Solo's Hiath VDSA - Why CP Needs To Have Caps...

Shadzilla · July 2017

I just saw a thread asking to uncap CP, figured I would make one regarding why it needs to be capped. The sheer advantages gained at high CP levels were so broken back in the day it is not even funny. People with no skill would win so many fights in cyro just due to the fact they spent 1000 hours grinding CP. I personally am glad CP is currently capped, and think uncapping would destroy any sort of balance we have currently. This is a video of an old friend who had around 750 CP and was able to solo Hiath in VDSA. This was over 2 years ago, so 750 CP at this time was just disgusting. He eventually hit around 2500 CP near the end of 2015 and ended up quitting the game. RIP Vash, miss you buddy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4UVIisJj8

Banana · July 2017

What a machine

Shadzilla · July 2017

Banana wrote: »

What a machine

Always will be. Wonder what games he is obliterating now a days...

Wreuntzylla · July 2017

Those stats are only possible through battle leveling, no? 30k stam, 17k mag, and 28k health.

PlagueSD · July 2017

Dragonknight...Should have guessed...

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

Nice clip to bad it was done over 2 years ago when it was v14 still and when it was SUPER easy to solo

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

Show someone who can solo vdsa now and it won't happen

AlnilamE · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Nice clip to bad it was done on normal not vet and it was done over 2 years ago when it was v14 still and when it was SUPER easy to solo

Nope. Normal was V13. Vet was V14.

I've never done Vet but there are no flame atros in that fight in Normal. Only the mini-bosses.

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

AlnilamE wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Nice clip to bad it was done on normal not vet and it was done over 2 years ago when it was v14 still and when it was SUPER easy to solo

Nope. Normal was V13. Vet was V14.

I've never done Vet but there are no flame atros in that fight in Normal. Only the mini-bosses.

I corrected my self but still it was super easy to run that solo 2 years ago you can't do that now

Pepper8Jack · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Show someone who can solo vdsa now and it won't happen

That's the point he's trying to make. You won't find someone who's soloing vDSA now because of the fact that CPs are capped and there is therefore a ceiling to the amount of Damage/Resistances/Resources/etc. that can be achieved, and endgame content is presently being balanced based on that ceiling.

Shadzilla · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Nice clip to bad it was done on normal not vet and it was done over 2 years ago when it was v14 still and when it was SUPER easy to solo

Nope. Normal was V13. Vet was V14.

I've never done Vet but there are no flame atros in that fight in Normal. Only the mini-bosses.

I corrected my self but still it was super easy to run that solo 2 years ago you can't do that now

Let me get this straight, you are claiming this was "super easy" to accomplish 2 years ago? He was literally one of only two people I knew that could do this and I know many that tried. There were tons of people like yourself that would bash the guy and say how easy it was until they were called out and couldn't come close... Your description of "super easy" is actually pretty comical... If you are saying that this was done a large amount of times by a ton of different people because of how "super easy" it was I would love to see some proof to add credibility to your comments. Other than vash and andy I have not seen or heard of anyone else accomplishing this.

ssewallb14_ESO · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Nice clip to bad it was done on normal not vet and it was done over 2 years ago when it was v14 still and when it was SUPER easy to solo

Nope. Normal was V13. Vet was V14.

I've never done Vet but there are no flame atros in that fight in Normal. Only the mini-bosses.

I corrected my self but still it was super easy to run that solo 2 years ago you can't do that now

Pretty sure he was the only one to ever solo VDSA pre-Wrothgar. He had something like 800 CP when the average was around 300.

ssewallb14_ESO · July 2017

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Those stats are only possible through battle leveling, no? 30k stam, 17k mag, and 28k health.

There was no PvE battle leveling then. His stats are from high CP.

Trashkan · July 2017

He did this before cp. Way way back when vdsa was v14 and you regen stam while blocking. This was not an easy fight at this point the dungeon had only been around for 6 months and I remember watching this video and being amazed.

Balsagna · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Nice clip to bad it was done over 2 years ago when it was v14 still and when it was SUPER easy to solo

Super easy....hahahahhahaha please go away troll

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

Pepper8Jack wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Show someone who can solo vdsa now and it won't happen

That's the point he's trying to make. You won't find someone who's soloing vDSA now because of the fact that CPs are capped and there is therefore a ceiling to the amount of Damage/Resistances/Resources/etc. that can be achieved, and endgame content is presently being balanced based on that ceiling.

But he showed a video that's 2 years old and on top of that you could have little to no CP back then to solo it because the content back this was not hard at all that's why they made it harder it had nothing to do about CP back then it was easy we beat it on Xbox with ppl who where vet rank 1-14 it was easy mode and after they went up to vr16 and made trials and vdsa and dungeon harder then it became a challenge 2 years ago easy mode

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

If this was not easy 2 years ago for you all then wow you should have l2p or gitgud since it was easy mode and I bet most of you think vet maelstrom is hard as well right?

Balsagna · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

If this was not easy 2 years ago for you all then wow you should have l2p or gitgud since it was easy mode and I bet most of you think vet maelstrom is hard as well right?

You're so cool and elite. Do you feel better now?

NotNormanBates · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

If this was not easy 2 years ago for you all then wow you should have l2p or gitgud since it was easy mode and I bet most of you think vet maelstrom is hard as well right?

Stop trolling dude.

Personally, i agree that it would be very bad to un-cap CP. Even now, with front loaded CP, there are graphs people much better at math than I, have made. These graphs show the impact of CP to be pretty much linear. Setting the bar at 3600CP, or however much CP's the 3 tree's can hold, would drive newcomers away. Already the ever increasing amount poses challenges to the average gamer who wants to be an end-game raider. If the max damage was increased so to would guilds minimum dps requirements. Also, even at CP 580 i find little challenge in the game, and i as a player need a challenge to stay interested. I like the fact that 1st vet dungeons were challenging, then vMA was challenging, then vet craglorn trials were challenging, and now i look forward to the challenge of vMoL/vHoF/ craglorn HM's and SoTH achievements. With a massive uptick in player strength/and resistances content would either be too easy or be balanced around the new max CP and be too far out of reach for anyone not in the game since the begining. Thanks for the post man, couldn't agree more.

Trashkan · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

If this was not easy 2 years ago for you all then wow you should have l2p or gitgud since it was easy mode and I bet most of you think vet maelstrom is hard as well right?

Vdsa was pretty easy but to solo it is crazy with the new scaled version of vdsa it is very comparable in almost everyway other than the regen to stam while holding block but now we have insane regen compared to earlier days of eso so it almost evens out. I dare you to try yourself and let us all know how it goes.

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

If this was not easy 2 years ago for you all then wow you should have l2p or gitgud since it was easy mode and I bet most of you think vet maelstrom is hard as well right?

I'd ask you to prove your claims, but you'll just say you can't anymore because it's been changed, but you'll assure me that you've soloed it at least 20 times, including at least 5 times with a blindfold and just one hand.

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

If this was not easy 2 years ago for you all then wow you should have l2p or gitgud since it was easy mode and I bet most of you think vet maelstrom is hard as well right?

I'd ask you to prove your claims, but you'll just say you can't anymore because it's been changed, but you'll assure me that you've soloed it at least 20 times, including at least 5 times with a blindfold and just one hand.

Xbox does not keep videos that long one you have so many videos you have to delete them to make room for more and keeping videos back when VR where in place is like showing a clips of someone 1v20 with out having all armor on like macilus did back when he still played on Xbox and taking kids on with out having armor on and 1v20+ kids as emp with no armor on "but lefty Lucy has some clips of it on youtube" but it's all good I understand the game was to much for you to handle then and probably now I bet you have even asked for vma to be get a nerf as well right?

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

Trashkan wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

If this was not easy 2 years ago for you all then wow you should have l2p or gitgud since it was easy mode and I bet most of you think vet maelstrom is hard as well right?

Vdsa was pretty easy but to solo it is crazy with the new scaled version of vdsa it is very comparable in almost everyway other than the regen to stam while holding block but now we have insane regen compared to earlier days of eso so it almost evens out. I dare you to try yourself and let us all know how it goes.

No way to try it again since this video is 2 years old under the old standards of how vdsa runs now there is no one to do it solo now but like the video shows you could do it solo 2 years ago easy

mb10 · July 2017

People have spent the past 7 days straight grinding the little pvp logo next to their names

Imagine uncapped CP grinding lol ZOS genuinely have a hold on some people's health and their lives.
Thankfully CP is capped for the game itself and for their mental and physical health

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

If this was not easy 2 years ago for you all then wow you should have l2p or gitgud since it was easy mode and I bet most of you think vet maelstrom is hard as well right?

You're so cool and elite. Do you feel better now?

Very much so I bet you where among the people asking for a vma nerf as well right?

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

Shadzilla wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Nice clip to bad it was done on normal not vet and it was done over 2 years ago when it was v14 still and when it was SUPER easy to solo

Nope. Normal was V13. Vet was V14.

I've never done Vet but there are no flame atros in that fight in Normal. Only the mini-bosses.

I corrected my self but still it was super easy to run that solo 2 years ago you can't do that now

Let me get this straight, you are claiming this was "super easy" to accomplish 2 years ago? He was literally one of only two people I knew that could do this and I know many that tried. There were tons of people like yourself that would bash the guy and say how easy it was until they were called out and couldn't come close... Your description of "super easy" is actually pretty comical... If you are saying that this was done a large amount of times by a ton of different people because of how "super easy" it was I would love to see some proof to add credibility to your comments. Other than vash and andy I have not seen or heard of anyone else accomplishing this.

1 of 2 people maybe on pc there where many on Xbox na that could and would do it solo back then now it's impossible with how vet trials are

Unfadingsilence · July 2017

And BTW I still love how you show a video of some guy from 2 years ago and say this is why CP. Must have a cap yet there are many things that have changed for people who play now did not have to worry back then. Like for starters you could perma block and still have stamina recovery, all dungeons and trials where not as hard as they are now bosses Strongs now mobs stronger. Now everything hits harder and has more HP if that guy tried that now he would be out of Stam within secs of fighting like that. So showing that video does nothing but show how broken the game was and, how easy it was when it came to vet trials and dungeons cya and goodnight.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Non cap was stupid.

This was an even worse problem on console when people were allowed to transfer.

Complete noobs at the game (me included) took a couple months to hit like 200~ cp back then, no exp drinks, no training trait, bad grind spots etc... and the fact noobs usually don't grind.

Meanwhile there was some pc transfers who had around 500-1k cp.

I remember talking to an EP pvp emp who had emp on the main campaign literally for lik 6 months and the guy used to one shot everything. He said he had nearly 1000 cp before he even transferred. Likely why the guy could drop meteor after meteor on a mag dk literally back to back because of the shooting star ults gains as well as the 20 ult per kill (40 when emp) and hte fact hit meteor where hitting for like 25k.

Cp 100% needs to be capped.

Shadzilla · July 2017

Trashkan wrote: »

He did this before cp. Way way back when vdsa was v14 and you regen stam while blocking. This was not an easy fight at this point the dungeon had only been around for 6 months and I remember watching this video and being amazed.

He did this after CP was released into the game, had around 750 if I recall correctly. Would not have been even remotely possible without CP.

Shadzilla · July 2017

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

And BTW I still love how you show a video of some guy from 2 years ago and say this is why CP. Must have a cap yet there are many things that have changed for people who play now did not have to worry back then. Like for starters you could perma block and still have stamina recovery, all dungeons and trials where not as hard as they are now bosses Strongs now mobs stronger. Now everything hits harder and has more HP if that guy tried that now he would be out of Stam within secs of fighting like that. So showing that video does nothing but show how broken the game was and, how easy it was when it came to vet trials and dungeons cya and goodnight.

Dude everyone in this thread that has read your posts and I think I can speak for everyone when I say, please keep responding, just for the lawls your responses generate. I showed this video to demonstrate how only 2 players in the entire world could accomplish this incredible feat back then. Main reason they were able to do this was due to the no CP cap, that is what this video represents. I have been in end game eso since 2014, and I am sure you are going to say you have as well, which is great! You should be more than well aware that Andy accomplished this first in June of 2015, and after hearing about it Vash did it himself like a month later. This guy was easily one of the best players around NA. Like I mentioned before, many people tried to do this and failed over and over again. From my knowledge, only 2 players have accomplished this feat pre orsinium. You can go off all you want on trying to say everyone on Xbox were godlike and you guys were doing this all the time due to the fact of how "super easy" it was. The fact is you were more than likely a pretty mediocre player back then, and would probably need to be carried through a VDSA. Considering you first thought this was a normal clear, until you were corrected by another poster then you went and edited you original post, we cant all but help doubt any knowledge you claim to have... Anyone who ever did a VDSA, even once, knows the difference between normal and vet. The hiccup you had there was downright hilarious and honestly confuses me on how you still keep posting trying to argue things you really don't have much knowledge on. Fact, I was running with a couple of solid groups that would compete for top leaderboard trial scores on a weekly basis. A large amount of extremely good players that I know failed trying to accomplish this feat a ton of times, at 500+ CP (which was huge back then). The fact is anyone who was a half decent player back then and running VDSA knows exactly how insanely hard this was and was only done by a select number of very good players. Please continue to argue about how "super easy" this was with absolutely no proof to add any credibility to anything you say. We wouldn't mind seeing you claim this was normal instead of vet a few more times as well. Keep the lawls coming.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

If this was not easy 2 years ago for you all then wow you should have l2p or gitgud since it was easy mode and I bet most of you think vet maelstrom is hard as well right?

I'd ask you to prove your claims, but you'll just say you can't anymore because it's been changed, but you'll assure me that you've soloed it at least 20 times, including at least 5 times with a blindfold and just one hand.

Its worth the lawls man, its worth the lawls.

idk · July 2017

OP is correct but another reason CP is capped is players were grinding CP as soon as it was released.

Zos originally thought the "average" player would have obtained all the CP in less than 2 years which was obviously incorrect. Additionally, Zos had no clue the end effects of having max CP when the released it even though a number of us played around in trials and other areas on the PTS that initially tested CP. It was hilarious. Zos was slow to learn since they have decided to make adjustments to CP multiple times since then.