I guess I don't understand

jcaceresw · July 2017

Aisle9 wrote: »

jcaceresw wrote: »

Dont nerf Skoria. It's fine. I use it and also died by other people using it. It do not proc a lot like it should even when I use many AOE fire skills to try it to proc.

maybe because it procs of DoTs, not AoEs ?

xD

Yeah, my mistake. I am being watched by the Big Brother and need to type fast.

Valen_Byte · July 2017

vamp_emily wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Personal, I dont think armor should do damage. Weather its easy to counter or not. If you want to kill me, do it by pushing buttons better than I push buttons.

I push buttons better than you and I still die!

omg lol Hi em : ))

You DO know how to push someones buttons Ill give ya that.

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

Insandros wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

What about Selenes shoulder?

All proc sets should be removed. The armor is not supposed to deal damage. You got weapon skills class skills guild skills AvAvA skills to use in order to deal damage.

Armors should give stats. But whatever...

stop crying you'll get lot of proc set nerf in in next patch, us PvE thank you pvper cryers for this.

Once upon a time
In an Eso before proc metas
People used to PvE using the ways of the force

...we used to PvE just fine without proc builds. Nobody ever complained about PvE difficulty.
What do you think people did before proc metas???

Chelo · July 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Not everyone has the ping to break free in time. Many builds don't have the stam to continuously dodge it and also unblockable CCs exist. Imagine getting attacked by two stamblades (pretty common) who time a fear with selene procs and incaps. It procs pretty frequently with low cooldown and if it does connect it hits for 4-6k

Though I agree with you. I hate skoria far more than I hate selene.

Just use unstoppable potions and that's it. People who succeed at PvP use every resource at their disposal...

ParaNostram · July 2017

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

I have LITERALLY, NEVER been killed by Selene's EVER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hR5YNqE3K8

Aisle9 · July 2017

vamp_emily wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Personal, I dont think armor should do damage. Weather its easy to counter or not. If you want to kill me, do it by pushing buttons better than I push buttons.

I push buttons better than you and I still die!

Do you push ALL the buttons ?

Nordic_Pirate · July 2017

jcaceresw wrote: »

Dont nerf Skoria. It's fine. I use it and also died by other people using it. It do not proc a lot like it should even when I use many AOE fire skills to try it to proc.

As a Stam Sorc I can confirm that I have Skoria dropping every 6 seconds.

Nordic_Pirate · July 2017

Kova wrote: »

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

I don't think selene is really a problem. I think it's a fun monster set that is quite easily telegraphed and avoided.

But with that admittance, could you not see the problem with an unavoidable, untelegraphed, free damage proc from vipers and widowmaker? I know you said you guys don't personally die to it that much, but I honestly can't either believe you or disbelieve you.

I returned to the game after 5 months of absence for the pvp event and was discouraged to see the same proc meta running rampant. This is important: It use to be that the argument was that stamina players should do more damage because they take more risk and magicka is mostly long range, but that is no longer the case. It use to be that stamina should use less resources and do more damage because you also roll dodge and sprint, but that is no longer the case as magicka users consume just as much stamina.

But there are no INSTANT damage proc sets for magicka. The closest we have is skoria, and that has a health trait and requires DoTs.

Alright well now we get interesting. So unseeable procs are a demon on the battlefield, as a stam sorc who ran vipers, black rose, sword and board and tremor scale I can tell you that the results are deadly and perhaps unfair. HOWEVER...you will NEVER see a stam character jump into a zerg of 50 people and proc proximity det, destro ulti and all of the other things that make bomb builds work that climbs them to the top of the leaderboards for emperor solo playing.

Also, from a PvE perspective, as a stam sorc I struggle to pull the numbers required to get into major trials. I still have yet to do vMOL or vHOF because I simply can't pull 30k+ DPS as most people require.

IMHO: Magicka is far over powered in this game and stamina is consistently left behind. So we get a little bone that is invisi proc sets....but it's always against one player. It is not killing 50 people at a time and wiping a keep solo. Or getting us into the major raids.

I think that's where our bias' lies then. I can definitely agree that magicka has insane potential and is vastly overpowered when doing suicide runs against zergs. Also, the pve scene is monstrous for stamina. I say that as a stamdk and stam sorc lover, and it's ridiculous the work you have to put into decent numbers.

A long time ago a lot of us duelers and raid guild leaders predicted that the game would come to this schism and it really sucks that we were right. I will still assert that stamina dominates taking on multiple opponents in small scale, but must admit that magicka rules large scale. Proc sets aren't the answer for either side, but I honestly don't know how to fix it.

There's just something about free damage procs that really bothers me. It's like hearing a rich kid tell you "it's all about hard work and anyone can do it!" I might have a skill that does damage to a lot of people at once or something that protects me from a hard hit, but at least I had to press that skill for the effect.

True. And stamina is amazing in multi-mob situations where every crit can proc my crit rush. I guess we will see how it turns out eventually.

Narvuntien · July 2017

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
lag...lag lag lag. Have you played PVP? its nothing but lag.

I have never roll dodged Selenes.. as I was already dead before the animation played.

StormWylf · July 2017

Not sure what's up but you two posted ~ somewhat conflicting issues.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/362765/that-damn-bear#latest

Nordic_Pirate · July 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
lag...lag lag lag. Have you played PVP? its nothing but lag.

I have never roll dodged Selenes.. as I was already dead before the animation played.

Lag isn't an item issue. That's a server issue, why nerf something when other things are the issue?

StormWylf wrote: »

Not sure what's up but you two posted ~ somewhat conflicting issues.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/362765/that-damn-bear#latest

Lol that Khajiit should be a carpet. Silly cat.

TheCaptainJosh · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

What about Selenes shoulder?

All proc sets should be removed. The armor is not supposed to deal damage. You got weapon skills class skills guild skills AvAvA skills to use in order to deal damage.

Armors should give stats. But whatever...

stop crying you'll get lot of proc set nerf in in next patch, us PvE thank you pvper cryers for this.

Once upon a time
In an Eso before proc metas
People used to PvE using the ways of the force

...we used to PvE just fine without proc builds. Nobody ever complained about PvE difficulty.
What do you think people did before proc metas???

Nobody complained about PvE difficulty hmm? Please explain to me what happened to get Craglorn, vet Maelstrom, and vet Dungeons' difficulty nerfed

Nelson_Rebel · July 2017

I smell a viper and selenes user upset and butthurt his OP crutch set is getting changed

Nelson_Rebel · July 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

I have LITERALLY, NEVER been killed by Selene's EVER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hR5YNqE3K8

This x100

I smell BS, sewage level BS. Lmao

Betsararie · July 2017

yep, Selenes is good but honestly it is very rarely is the reason I'm killed. It's not that good. People just need to L2P.

Drummerx04 · July 2017

Chelo wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Not everyone has the ping to break free in time. Many builds don't have the stam to continuously dodge it and also unblockable CCs exist. Imagine getting attacked by two stamblades (pretty common) who time a fear with selene procs and incaps. It procs pretty frequently with low cooldown and if it does connect it hits for 4-6k

Though I agree with you. I hate skoria far more than I hate selene.

Just use unstoppable potions and that's it. People who succeed at PvP use every resource at their disposal...

Wait, you mean I'm allowed to use potions and resources in PvP? I wish someone informed me of this option much earlier!

But seriously, yeah you can use these potions, and they are helpful (except for the 90% of the time when I pop the potion and immediately get stunned...) but they don't have 100% uptime and when playing against other good players, there is constant pressure in the form of high damage rather than just CCs. Point being that a set like selene simply adds a lot of extra damage with little to no downsides for the wearer.

PlagueSD · July 2017

If ESO was "Rock, Paper, Scissors"

Scissors:
Nerf rock, paper is fine!!

Paper:
Nerf scissors, rock is fine!!

Rock:
Nerf paper, scissors are fine!!

Nordic_Pirate · August 2017

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

I smell a viper and selenes user upset and butthurt his OP crutch set is getting changed

Nope, never used Selens because I thought it was stupid. Currently running Black Rose and Spriggans w/ maelstrom 2H. Helm switches around a lot, but Slenes isn't one of them.

Zvorgin · August 2017

Nordicly_Responsible wrote: »

What is the big fuss over Selene monster helm set. I have LITERALLY, NEVER been killed by Selene's EVER. It is so easy to dodge roll, or block (for you useless magdks that block and spam spells behind the comfort of your block), or break free roll-dodge.. I see so many people complain about the set, but the animation takes forever, and it's so easy to dodge.

I use this set, and I will admit it needs to be nerfed: Valkyn Skoria. Try roll dodging that as a meteor designed by the heavens comes down to strike you and your friends with their fancy little crap Selenes helmet.

This seems way more like a veiled "I hate mDKs because I'm a stamblade using selenes" thread than anything else.

Coilbox · August 2017

Meh, whiners will always find something to cry about... destro ulti, poisons, people jumping, OP sorcs, cloaking NB, procsets... and a long long etc.

Dont even bother... as soon as 'procsets' appears somewhere salty tears run down all over the place.