BSW, is anyone using it nowdays? Another good set went into oblivion.

Kneighbors · July 2017

I just wonder why ZoS always nerf something in a way that it becomes a total trash. So many viable sets are becoming garbage. 90% of the sets in the game are total garbage, while 5% more are semi-garbage.

Why not nerf it by 5% first and see. Not enough? Nerf by 5 more. No need to nerf it by 50% like trainee set and many others.

casparian · July 2017

BSW is fine. It's no longer BIS for every conceivable magicka DPS build, but that's a good thing. If you're a magDK, BSW is great (though not necessarily indispensable -- again, a good thing) and next patch it is going to be even better. I've even seen magplars using it to good effect in PVP (Reflective Light = virtually guaranteed proc).

Balsagna · July 2017

casparian wrote: »

BSW is fine. It's no longer BIS for every conceivable magicka DPS build, but that's a good thing. If you're a magDK, BSW is great (though not necessarily indispensable -- again, a good thing) and next patch it is going to be even better. I've even seen magplars using it to good effect in PVP (Reflective Light = virtually guaranteed proc).

I am farming it for the next patch just in case for my magblade. Between BSW, Julianos, and Scathing I will let the number crunchers figure it out and then go from there.

strikeback1247 · July 2017

Still pretty good on my heavy attack DK. Just because it's no longer BiS doesn't mean it's garbage like you make it seem to be.

Takes-No-Prisoner · July 2017

In the threads I have popped my head into, Silks of the Sun seem to be what most mDKs are leaning towards. And while folks do mention Burning Spell Weave-- No one wants to do that grind. Silks are much much easier to get.

BSW on other classes is just no good anymore. As there is usually something better in it's place for other classes.

Qbiken · July 2017

The 1-4th piece of BSW is getting buffed with next patch so BSW might as well be in a really good spot. Haven´t tested anything myself but @Gilliamtherogue might have?? (yes it was a question to you Gilliam ^^)

Balsagna · July 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

In the threads I have popped my head into, Silks of the Sun seem to be what most mDKs are leaning towards. And while folks do mention Burning Spell Weave-- No one wants to do that grind. Silks are much much easier to get.

BSW on other classes is just no good anymore. As there is usually something better in it's place for other classes.

CoA 1 is one of the easiest dungeons to solo in either vet or normal. That makes it easier to farm than a number of sets.

Takes-No-Prisoner · July 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

In the threads I have popped my head into, Silks of the Sun seem to be what most mDKs are leaning towards. And while folks do mention Burning Spell Weave-- No one wants to do that grind. Silks are much much easier to get.

BSW on other classes is just no good anymore. As there is usually something better in it's place for other classes.

CoA 1 is one of the easiest dungeons to solo in either vet or normal. That makes it easier to farm than a number of sets.

Yeah it is, I certainly won't deny that, but RNG speaks other wise.

W0lf_z13 · July 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

CoA 1 is one of the easiest dungeons to solo in either vet or normal. That makes it easier to farm than a number of sets.

def agree with this statement ... ive farmed this solo numerous times for BsW gear ... I have to go back after the PvP even though to try to get a divines chest piece though

stevepdodson_ESO888 · July 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

The 1-4th piece of BSW is getting buffed with next patch so BSW might as well be in a really good spot. Haven´t tested anything myself but @Gilliamtherogue might have?? (yes it was a question to you Gilliam ^^)

one way to find out would be to go to @Gilliamtherogue You Tube page and see the testing he has already done showing how it is likely to be BiS for mDK's next patch...you might also give him some likes and sub...that guy really deserves as many as he can get for all the hard work he puts into this game

Reverb · July 2017

Still running it in my magDK in pve, because I've lost the will to grind for new bis gear every few months. RNG Boss OP.

Danksta · July 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

In the threads I have popped my head into, Silks of the Sun seem to be what most mDKs are leaning towards. And while folks do mention Burning Spell Weave-- No one wants to do that grind. Silks are much much easier to get.

BSW on other classes is just no good anymore. As there is usually something better in it's place for other classes.

CoA 1 is one of the easiest dungeons to solo in either vet or normal. That makes it easier to farm than a number of sets.

The dungeon is easy, super easy, but even though I've done it close to 200 times I still don't have divines chest and legs. I could go to guild traders and buy Sliks of the Sun, so Sun set is easier to get.

STEVIL · July 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

I just wonder why ZoS always nerf something in a way that it becomes a total trash. So many viable sets are becoming garbage. 90% of the sets in the game are total garbage, while 5% more are semi-garbage.

Why not nerf it by 5% first and see. Not enough? Nerf by 5 more. No need to nerf it by 50% like trainee set and many others.

well fact is that for BiS calculations a 1-2% difference for some will be the difference between good enough and utter garbage... there isn't much wiggle room or some sweet spot where the line between BiS and not-BiS is wide enough for some.

But that said, a set like BSW which combines tough to farm AND seriously limited build diversity (low chance of procs from flame damage only) is going to drop severely in popularity if it is not strong enough of an advantage top-dog to make those sacrifices or limitations worth it.

W0lf_z13 · July 2017

Danksta wrote: »

Balsagna wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

In the threads I have popped my head into, Silks of the Sun seem to be what most mDKs are leaning towards. And while folks do mention Burning Spell Weave-- No one wants to do that grind. Silks are much much easier to get.

BSW on other classes is just no good anymore. As there is usually something better in it's place for other classes.

CoA 1 is one of the easiest dungeons to solo in either vet or normal. That makes it easier to farm than a number of sets.

The dungeon is easy, super easy, but even though I've done it close to 200 times I still don't have divines chest and legs. I could go to guild traders and buy Sliks of the Sun, so Sun set is easier to get.

also I found SotS to be easier to farm ... spent 3 days farming for the weapons ... first 4 hours into the farm I got a sharpened sword ... 3rd day I got a second sharpened sword, a sharpened inferno staff, a sharpened resto staff, 2 reinforced shields and a sturdy shield

DRXHarbinger · July 2017

Silks is better as you can run 7 light and not miss the health from undaunted and gain better sustain and lower cost.

Danksta · July 2017

Something to keep in mind when comparing Sun and BSW is that BSW procs burning status effect which benefits any group members that may be running Fire Wall.

josiahva · July 2017

On my Mag DK DPS I use both Silks and BSW. I proc BSW on the back bar, the swap to the front bar with silks as my main DPS bar, so its 5/5/2 back bar and 5/4/2 front bar. Seems to work well enough for me and the nerf only affected this particular setup in a minor way. The uptime isn't great on BSW this way, but "isnt great">nothing.

W0lf_z13 · July 2017

josiahva wrote: »

On my Mag DK DPS I use both Silks and BSW. I proc BSW on the back bar, the swap to the front bar with silks as my main DPS bar, so its 5/5/2 back bar and 5/4/2 front bar. Seems to work well enough for me and the nerf only affected this particular setup in a minor way. The uptime isn't great on BSW this way, but "isnt great">nothing.

that is what im currently running as well ... all though, i'm running dw front bar/destro back bar .... but i'll be testing out destro / destro once the PvP event is over

nine9six · July 2017

I'm still using it on my mNB that I play from time to time. I still don't have all Divines pieces, though. I don't think I've ever farmed for anything, in any game, as hard as I have for that set. If I never see CoA again that'll be fine with me.

DjMuscleboy02 · July 2017

BSW is still best for Magdk right now, other than in halls. And it will be best next patch all around.

lardvader · July 2017

Only using Silks this patch but switching back to BSW in HotR. I also went with Silks since sharp weapons can be bought but next patch the precise and infused staves of BSW that I got might be really good.

Mcgelie1 · July 2017

nine9six wrote: »

I'm still using it on my mNB that I play from time to time. I still don't have all Divines pieces, though. I don't think I've ever farmed for anything, in any game, as hard as I have for that set. If I never see CoA again that'll be fine with me.

I use bsw on my main mdk. I agree with everything you've said here. Missing divines legs, will never grind for them again.

Stopnaggin · July 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

I just wonder why ZoS always nerf something in a way that it becomes a total trash. So many viable sets are becoming garbage. 90% of the sets in the game are total garbage, while 5% more are semi-garbage.

Why not nerf it by 5% first and see. Not enough? Nerf by 5 more. No need to nerf it by 50% like trainee set and many others.

BSW is not dead by any means, it's just not the meta anymore, it's performs very well.

Liofa · July 2017

Read PTS patch notes about Burning Status Effect > Read BSW 5th bonus > wait for next patch > equip BSW > benefit

Chiefpoppasquat · July 2017

I use bsw on diff toons still mainly bc I'm to lazy to grind for gear. But on my sorc gave me a reason to use charged inferno vma back bar and sharp light front

Gilliamtherogue · July 2017

The buff to the Burning Status effect has brought back Burning Spell Weave to the glory days of old; albeit only for the Dragonknight due to the Combustion passive. The set is extremely powerful now, but still has enough drawbacks that it isn't automatically BiS.

Horns of the Reach is pushing the game forward into an era of situational powers instead of holistic power. Content, group composition, and playstyle all weigh heavily on what dictates what is most powerful, meaning you'll want to carry a variety of sets if you want to boast top notch efficiency. What makes it even better is that the things that ARE the best, are no longer leagues ahead of everything else, meaning if you don't want to farm 100+ hours for that one elusive piece of gear, you're not missing a world's difference of power.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · July 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

I just wonder why ZoS always nerf something in a way that it becomes a total trash. So many viable sets are becoming garbage. 90% of the sets in the game are total garbage, while 5% more are semi-garbage.

Why not nerf it by 5% first and see. Not enough? Nerf by 5 more. No need to nerf it by 50% like trainee set and many others.

well fact is that for BiS calculations a 1-2% difference for some will be the difference between good enough and utter garbage... there isn't much wiggle room or some sweet spot where the line between BiS and not-BiS is wide enough for some.

But that said, a set like BSW which combines tough to farm AND seriously limited build diversity (low chance of procs from flame damage only) is going to drop severely in popularity if it is not strong enough of an advantage top-dog to make those sacrifices or limitations worth it.

Fair point, but most min maxers already have 3 sets of it. Haha

itscompton · July 2017

Pro-tip, grinding bosses in Vet CoA 1 is a waste of time. Learn the chest locations and then just pop in and out of the dungeon to reset them while fighting as few enemies as necessary. Makes getting a set of BSW go much quicker.

W0lf_z13 · July 2017

itscompton wrote: »

Pro-tip, grinding bosses in Vet CoA 1 is a waste of time. Learn the chest locations and then just pop in and out of the dungeon to reset them while fighting as few enemies as necessary. Makes getting a set of BSW go much quicker.

might have to try this.... ive mapped out all the chest places with the master chest addon already

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

From what I've gathered, BSW still has the juice. Especially with the upcoming update. Good thing I never deconstructed it, as I have the entire set in divines.

Danksta · July 2017

itscompton wrote: »

Pro-tip, grinding bosses in Vet CoA 1 is a waste of time. Learn the chest locations and then just pop in and out of the dungeon to reset them while fighting as few enemies as necessary. Makes getting a set of BSW go much quicker.

I wouldn't recommend grinding vet unless you want the jewelry. Not sure skipping the bosses on normal is a wise decision though. While grabbing chests and heavy sacks normal only takes maybe 15 minutes solo. That's 6 possible drops in 15 minutes from bosses alone.