Ok lets do it, PC vs Console, what takes more skill...

Rickter · July 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hmm, name a PC player who can complete vMoL without addons... *sips tea*

This thread is major bait. But at the end of the day, console made this game what it is today. And we make up for 66% of players across platforms.

Let the triggering begin!

This. Look im a pc player and i believe that pc players have an advantage across the board. Between addons, Gaming peripherals such as the 12 button mice and the Razer Orb type keypads, mouse look speed and precision, and keyboards have dedicated keys instead of for instance: gamepads having to press two buttons for ultimate etc, PC players just have an advantage.

And while im sure there are many pc players that can beat VMA without addons (i myself do not use any UI or buff tracking addons) its not as many as console players by default.

but there was one key point @andreasranasen mentioned that is frighteningly true: consoles made this game what it is today. and 66% of the players. I was told about 1 1/2 years ago that it was actually higher- like 75 percentile-ish. From a ZOS employee.

So with that being said - topics like these just need to stop. Its two different platforms. Two different games and cross play will never become a reality. Threads like these are just like the "who would win, knight or samurai" discussions. its pointless.

Epona222 · July 2017

I just want to say that addons on PC do not automatically do stuff for you, all they can do is provide some feedback about damage, buffs, etc. that you still need to react to. They don't make anything 'easy mode' or do anything for you, just make it easier to pinpoint ways in which you can improve your play or diagnose where you are failing. They don't replace skill or reaction times, and improvement still requires practice and player skill.

DjMuscleboy02 · July 2017

Undeniably PC has better performance and anyone who says differently is incredibly misinformed.

As far as player skill goes, it's the same game so there are equally skilled players on both platforms. I watch 1vX videos from PC where people are literally light attacking with a bow, i played a little on PC and ran into so many of these players. It blew my mind. Sure there were still quite a number of decently skilled players and I'm no PvP wizard myself, but I was mowing kids down like I actually wasn't horrible as they lightning staff heavy attacked me in an open field.

PvE wise, you cannot compare anything strictly from PC to console. Not leaderboards, not parses, nothing. In fact, leaderboard scores are pretty similar considering PC gets a significant head-start on every release, not to mention combat metrics gives them the ability to test into much more depth than console. Then we get the frame difference, I probably get 5-10 frames in raids on a good day, if it's being dumb or in certain places it drops to as little as 1-2. You simply can't compete with that. Yet we try. I can't attest for ps4 but xbox scores aren't too far off PC scores in trials. Just a few thousand points, and quite a bit of frames. Granted, people are much more focused on hof right now and I haven't even done a trial outside hof or mol but maybe once in two months.

I could go on but in the interest of not typing anymore of a word wall I'll leave it at this. I heard a well known eso streamer tell his raid team while progressing vHoF "don't bother paying too much attention to the snipes, we'll have raid notifier for that."

ZOS_Ragnar · July 2017

We have removed several posts that were off topic and non-constructive. This is a very controversial topic and everyone has different opinions and thoughts on the subject. It's perfectly acceptable to disagree with each other on the forums, but it is important that you do not put other people down just because they have different ideas, or suggestions. Sometimes there is no right or wrong, just different angles, opinions, and interests. Remember, being civil and respectful goes a long way, especially when involved in a heated debate.

Kay1 · July 2017

Close this thread, console have more skilled players but nobody gives a ***, PC is ten times better in everything, just because we got used to play like this and it takes more skill it doesn't mean it's better, it's very annoying to always do trials and vmsa in hard mode because we don't have add-ons and I don't understand the purpose of this thread.

Get a PC and play there trust me, PvP in console is way too annoying.

xSkullfox · July 2017

Sorry that thread calls for trolls...

Betsararie · July 2017

I agree, close the thread and let's stop asking questions like this.

A smarter question to ask is:

1) which is easier to use
2) which do you prefer
3) what does ESO play better on

Questions that can actually be answered with hard evidence or facts.

Biro123 · July 2017

Silly question.

People who are used to consoles will do better on a console

People who are used to PC's will do better on a PC..

As to who gets better results - I'd suspect PC players due to the addons at their disposal. Does it mean they use them as a crutch and can't cope without? Nope..

For console, I'd suggest it benefits from a lot of knowledge on game mechanics gleaned from the PC playerbase largely due to addons - so I don't think there's any real knowledge difference.

Basically, both are equally skilled, just one has better tools for the job :-)

That said, there ARE balance differences in that certain addons can give advantages to certain playstyles/builds and disadvantages to others - which doesn't happen on Consoles. Take Miat's for example. A huge benefit to stam-based defences which ani-cancel abilities and so can be put up instantly - not to mag-based defences that have an animation time and have to await the last gcd (shields). And a huge disadvantage to projectile-based builds.
Its due to this, I suspect, that most 'nerf sorc' threads come from console players who don't get told when to dodge the frags. and most 'sorcs are fine' players are on PC where the majority of their frags gets dodged.

TequilaFire · July 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

They are different games... it's like comparing Tamriel with Westeros

Actually they are the same game, I play on both PS4 and PC.

Supernatural · July 2017

BNOC wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

Let the leaderboards decide.

Truly the only thing you could even close to consider a comparison between platforms. And if console plebs plead the lack of addons, what makes you think the best of the best need addons?

Nobody thinks the best of the best need addons, but you only have to look at the worlds best WoW raiding guilds to see that when they're forced to play without addons at the Blizzard events, they do substantially worse - So would all of you and your progression would be hindered as well, that's not even up for debate.

On Xbox Eu there's not much PvE going on these days, 2-3 guilds maybe, but yeah go on Let's look at the single player leaderboards for vMA for example. I sat 2k score behind Andy S when I was running Magplar in there almost the whole time:
Without buff timers

Without any other addons that he may have had

With longer load screens

Frequent Dc's and lag spikes

Slower turning etc

I'm not saying I'm better or even was (who knows if, with all of the PC perks, I could have saved a measly 40 seconds) I'm just saying we definitely have it harder.
The worst part about it though, is that I wasn't even always top of Xbox Eu, in fact, for quite a while I went back and forth with the now rank 1 pc player Blackmore (Brelle) and sat behind him for the most part.

I think that says enough.

But yeah go on, you tell me about leaderboards and show me the PC palyers coming to console and dominating.

A measly 40 seconds? Just from faster loading screens you would gain over a minute. And let's not forget about addons like dressing room with which you can swap gear and abilites with the tap of a button. There cannot be competition between consoles and PC, period. No matter how good one is, PC has such clear advantages that it is impossible.

TequilaFire · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

PC is so far beyond console it's not even close.

Maybe that's why my computer costed close to $3000 and your console costs $200? Maybe that would have something to do with it

Also my computer is, you know, a computer? Can be used for many things other than gaming.

Consoles are useful as doorstops and little else.

Blanco wrote: »

PC is so far beyond console it's not even close.

Maybe that's why my computer costed close to $3000 and your console costs $200? Maybe that would have something to do with it

Also my computer is, you know, a computer? Can be used for many things other than gaming.

Consoles are useful as doorstops and little else.

If my house and car is more valuable than yours does it make you a doorknob?

You're looking at it all wrong.

It's not about the price but rather the power.

The price is just an indication of how powerful the machine is.

Gaming PCs are far more powerful than consoles, and as such deliver an objectively superior experience.

They also have the superior control scheme (mouse and keyboard), and you can even plug in a controller if you wish.

I am discussing facts and nothing else.

I am going to laugh at the "power" statement as ESO doesn't even begin to tap the power of my PC.
Most of the dollars you spent aren't even used by the program.

kylewwefan · July 2017

I was so disappointed playing this game on PC when it first came out. Couldn't stand playing on KB&M. Trying to decide on an app to buy for controllers support was beyond me. I hear it has controller support built in now, but after I transferred, never looked back.

People seem to think these add ons make the game so much easier....if you can figure them out I suppose they do. I guess that's skill that consoles don't get to mess with.

You can map controller buttons to do different things on console from the settings. But no macros or 2 buttons to 1. At least on PS4. Not sure about the xbone elite controller. I have left D-pad and right thumb click switched around for weapon swap/ crouch.

Far as skill in game, they're just different. There is no console addons as pointed out. The new buff trackers are terrible. The combat text doesn't tell you much really. Even the target skeleton doesn't tell you much. It's the same game with different parameters.

AnviOfVai · July 2017

why would you make a post about this WHHHYYYY

I play eso on PS4...but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwwlJCxCOhg

Argah · July 2017

Why so many comments about the thread shouldn't exist, don't like it don't bump it man, simple.

It's a legitimate question no idea why it's getting people so wound up.

Argah · July 2017

And FYI I understand the whole looking down on console is mostly about price, I thought it was because console players were classed as low skill.

The price thing I don't get at all, why would you be on a forum looking down on people due to whats affordable.

If it was based on skilll I'd understand why some sneer, while still a bit unacceptable it's better than the other reason.

FelixTheCatt · July 2017

Tough call. As someone that has played both sides , they're about on par with one another. There's too many variables to take into account. PC has the advantage of addons which is a huge advantage over console.

I never got the discord between PC and console gamers in the first place. Think it just comes down to some people gotta have someone to *** about.

FelixTheCatt · July 2017

Tough call. As someone that has played both sides , they're about on par with one another. There's too many variables to take into account. PC has the advantage of addons which is a huge advantage over console.

I never got the discord between PC and console gamers in the first place. Think it just comes down to some people gotta have someone to *** about.

Rex-Umbra · July 2017

PC players clutch on addons. Console is more fair PvP wise.

josiahva · July 2017

Having played on both, there is no difference except control input. I play on the PC with a PS4 gamepad these days. the biggest difference is gamepad players are gimped in PvP(and a lesser degree in hard PvE). This is because of camera speed, its so much slower on the gamepad. As an example if I am a sorc and streak through a group of players, on mouse/keyboard I flick the mouse and am turned around ready to go, but on a gamepad, I had better start turning as soon as I start streaking or I will never turn around in time to avoid some attack or another. There is a lot more anticipation required while using the gamepad, and a certain amount of gimping(its terrible to PvP against a templar running around you in a circle with jabs with a gamepad). Its debatable as to whether this makes you a better a worse player...but its a fact: The camera speed is much slower on a gamepad...but the fine movement control is better....easy to walk with the circle of death in say Spindle II instead of the stuttering required with the keyboard.

Rikkof · July 2017

PC has better players, it takes more skills to use k/m
Some say console is for kids ( I don't say it, I just repeat what others say)
SKILL vs SKILL, the PC players would defeat in duels and console players anytime, imo

Rikkof · July 2017

The war between PC and console is raging on, and only one will emerge victorious
The games nowadays have been dumbed down because of the console players
The graphics nowadays have been dumbed down because of the console players
This will not be left unpunished
PC MASTER RACE

Argah · July 2017

Rikkof wrote: »

PC has better players, it takes more skills to use k/m
Some say console is for kids ( I don't say it, I just repeat what others say)
SKILL vs SKILL, the PC players would defeat in duels and console players anytime, imo

You are one of the reasons I made the thread.

The other day champ shared some videos wrecking, your comment was "consolol" clearly mocking abilities of PS4 user base, you subsequently edited that comment not before I quoted it though.

Karivaa · July 2017

I played wow and we had lots of add ons. I am assuming this is the case on PC too. On Xbox, we have no add ons.

RazerKlang · July 2017

i have heard rumours like playstation dont want to crossplay happen with their rival xbox. xbox is okey with it pc is okey with it since both are microsoft.

Juhasow · July 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hmm, name a PC player who can complete vMoL without addons... *sips tea*

Here. All veteran trials including vHoF and vMoL completed without add ons. I am playing on weak laptop so I am turning off any thing I dont need. Only add on I usually have is Loot Log

RazerKlang · July 2017

can't compare eso with wow atleast in this case.. way more abilties require macros

mvffins · July 2017

Console, due to lack of add-ons. PC can use xbox/ps controller if they want so controls is not an issue.

RazerKlang · July 2017

Rikkof wrote: »

PC has better players, it takes more skills to use k/m
Some say console is for kids ( I don't say it, I just repeat what others say)
SKILL vs SKILL, the PC players would defeat in duels and console players anytime, imo

only reason for playing pc would be they are more ahead. other then that no matter what platform really

RazerKlang · July 2017

stupid to compare this tbh. but if crossplay happen, i would imgaine hell breaks loose

celner4_ESO · July 2017

I would love to see add ons added to console through some tool kind of how fallout 4 had mods available to console through in game. But I'm betting that would be hella to much work for ZOS