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Will Mag Sorcs be nerfed ?
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DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Have you made a post in the past 3 months that isn't about nerfs and hate?PC Master Race
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redshirt_49✭✭✭✭Do not care brahSorcs are literally the only class which cannot serve as tank or healer adequately. They kind of have to be good at killing things fast because of their squishy nature. I've seen some sorcs run around with heavy armor, but their damage takes a dive because of that and no longer becomes a priority target.
I like the PvE balance of the sorc where it is. They excel at AoE damage while stamblades excel at single target damage.
Max DPS of any class generally lies within 3-4k of each other. If that's not balanced, I don't know what is.
Now for PvP, I'd maaaaybe rebalance Eye of the Storm? If two sorcs in a group pop it with immovable pots + shield stacks, you and your entire group are dead and there's nothing you can do about it. In the time it takes you to see it happening, pop a speed buff and disperse, most of you will already be dead. It's kind of meh and has resulted in a meta in Cyro where upon keep capture some groups will immediately back away when breaking down a door, expecting a sorc rush.Edited by redshirt_49 on July 25, 2017 10:01AM3 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭May be ...when ZOS shuts down ESO serverI assume this is in the context of pvp so it should be in that forum section. In pve sorcs don't need a nerf but perhaps some stam classes could use a survivabilty buff.1 -
Drummerx04✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shield stacking is not THAT powerful, or in effect it isn't much more powerful than strong self or group healing. MaybeNelson_Rebel wrote: »Probably not
It's the poster boy Favorited class by ZOS
Sorcs will be the strongest class until server shutdown. I've just accepted it, and no longer do any PvE content. At least in pvp it's possible to get 2 or three to actually get through ridiculous shield stacking and finally kill one
The shield stacking is not as ridiculous as you might think. Sure, it can be frustrating or nigh impossible for one average player to get through the shields and kill the sorc (good sorcs)... but it's also nigh impossible for one player to kill a good templar or dk or nb, or literally every class.
The biggest difference in being unable to kill sorcs compared to every other class... the health maybe doesn't move as much, but either way you still aren't killing them.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Then I want OP burst and sustained damage. If I'm going to run around practically naked in light Armour and shields are not protecting any longer...Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
Torbschka✭✭✭✭Well, probably they have to, cuz next patch easy acceess to necropotence and15% DMG reduction on shields without slotting the sorc pets..0 -
Sixsixsix161✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
I think they'll get nerfed, because ZOS always nerfs everything that people use and like.
Just a reminder that we already got a nerf when Morrowind was released.
The main impact was on our pet, and how we use it. That also impacted the Warden's pet. It's no longer much fun to play a magsorc.
Edited by Sixsixsix161 on July 25, 2017 10:29AM0 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭Do not care brahWell, probably they have to, cuz next patch easy acceess to necropotence and15% DMG reduction on shields without slotting the sorc pets..
proof pls, I havent read about this, wanna know moreDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nerf Sorcs more? I'm not sure what QQers are striving for here.
In PvE, optimal trial group compositions include a mix of Stam and Magicka now, with a max of 5 slots realistically open to any possible Magicka Sorc.
There's 12 ppl in a trial:
• You need two healers (Templars+maybe 1 Warden)
• You need two tanks (DKs+maybe 1 Warden)
• You need a Stamina Templar for PotL
• You need a Magicka DK for their flame dmg group buff and great DPS
Now only six spots are left, all of which are for DPS builds. At this point it is good to have at least one NB somewhere for their group buff to help your Stam builds a bit. You will likely want at least one other Stamina build too (all classes besides Warden work more or less equally well here).
After everything is said and done, there are 4-5 spots left for Magicka Sorc/NB/Temp to fill as good ranged DPS. Magicka Sorc tends to be best here due to there AoE DPS, but since Morrowind I have seen NB accepted nearly as easily. Next patch NBs are getting even stronger whereas Magicka Sorc is indirectly nerfed as well (Ilambris nerf+traits working in favor of NBs). In general, Magicka Sorc is only so common due to them being much more noob friendly, and everyone has already leveled one up due to how strong they were a few patches ago.
In PvP, everything is OP and will always be this way thanks to how the CP system is handled. I kill Mag Sorcs easily in non-CP but can see why zergers losing their Viper's Sting complain about them in CP even though I personally have no issue killimg them there either. Stam DKs give me the most trouble.
Anyway.... this thread just seems like another nerf Sorc thread. This sucks because as Sorcs slowly withdraw from being OP, most people are blind to it and will continue losing all of the time and complaining all while never improving their own gameplay.
Just my thoughts on this.
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Caim12✭✭Yes...they gonna get nerfed (or should get nerfed) in the upcoming DLCSorc has bigger sustain than tanks xD in pvp (to big absorb)Edited by Caim12 on July 25, 2017 3:24PM0
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GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why on this God's green Earth (well, in some parts, at least) are peeps continuously calling for things to be nerfed in this game?!!! Is it that bad?!! Are some peeps getting their arses kicked that bad and handed back to them that they keep on calling for toons and skills to be nerfed. Dammit.. nerfing is what has been wrecking this game! Balance.. what ffing balance?! Nerfing is not balance.. wake the *beep* up people! It is backward progress, lowered expectation and less enjoyable experience.. Open your *beeping* eyes already!0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Why on this God's green Earth (well, in some parts, at least) are peeps continuously calling for things to be nerfed in this game?!!! Is it that bad?!! Are some peeps getting their arses kicked that bad and handed back to them that they keep on calling for toons and skills to be nerfed. Dammit.. nerfing is what has been wrecking this game! Balance.. what ffing balance?! Nerfing is not balance.. wake the *beep* up people! It is backward progress, lowered expectation and less enjoyable experience.. Open your *beeping* eyes already!
Why are people still asking for these nerfs?
Well it's simple....Sorc have bigger sustain than tanks xD in pvp
@GreenhaloX ^this is the type of logic being used. Just say something totally random that makes no sense, compare it to Magicka Sorcs and how they're OP, and now you have people following you.
You don't have to know what you're talking about to be loud unfortunateIy.
That is why Devs never really communicate with us.
Logic is scarce on these Forums, and if a comment is made by a Dev they'll have people tag them hundreds of times asking for stuff unrelated to their comment. 1 -
Insandros✭✭✭✭I say.. do what ever you want with sorc now, my used to be main from when game launched is now gathering dust, my warden has become my main, since i do way better than my sorc since last patch affecting a lot elemetal expert CPs.. that is, soloing stuff, clearing vMA, better dps now since last patch affecting my sorc.. i say, as long as warden'S aren'T touch, i don't mind... the worst which can happen is, people crying so much at sorc needs to be nerf, if they nerf him as much as people want, it'll simply end up for me as a blank character spot to replace something with.
So in other words.. people want to nerf a class being created as main role is DPS, so let'S nerfs him so he becomes the lowest dps role there is... makes sens, since tanking and healing wasn't meant for that class, why not making him as well wortless in all roles. 0 -
Crowzer✭✭✭I remember the day when sorc get the biggest nerf in the game.
RIP 8 bolt escape in row.2 -
Torbschka✭✭✭✭
They change shadowrend Monster set, it will spawn now when u get hit (like bloodspawn) with a 15% chance.
If u fight 2 people its always up, pet is unkillable (non targetable) and spread minor maim.
Heard the meta here first 0 -
kynseon✭✭✭Do not care brahNerf the sorcs even more? You obviously never played a sorc. Having your shield and multiple shields is the only thing that is keeping you alive. We dont have a good self heal besides a really slow dark deal, pet heal. We dont have high resistance and in pvp you get one shotted if you dont have shields up. So i am not sure what you are talking about nerfing the sorc.2 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Why on this God's green Earth (well, in some parts, at least) are peeps continuously calling for things to be nerfed in this game?!!! Is it that bad?!! Are some peeps getting their arses kicked that bad and handed back to them that they keep on calling for toons and skills to be nerfed. Dammit.. nerfing is what has been wrecking this game! Balance.. what ffing balance?! Nerfing is not balance.. wake the *beep* up people! It is backward progress, lowered expectation and less enjoyable experience.. Open your *beeping* eyes already!
Why are people still asking for these nerfs?
Well it's simple....Sorc have bigger sustain than tanks xD in pvp
@GreenhaloX ^this is the type of logic being used. Just say something totally random that makes no sense, compare it to Magicka Sorcs and how they're OP, and now you have people following you.
You don't have to know what you're talking about to be loud unfortunateIy.
That is why Devs never really communicate with us. Logic is scarce on these Forums, and if a comment is made by a Dev they'll have people tag them hundreds of times asking for stuff unrelated to their comment.
Mind-boggling, bro.. all I can say. Ehh.. actually headache.0 -
Flaminir✭✭✭✭✭
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So you want sorcs to be nerfed for PVE reasons?
They're supposed to be dps, they're not healers and they're not tanks...sooo?
THIS!
Too many people have neglected to mention the time when sorcs were bottom of the pile for all roles... they have never been the twinkle in ZOS's eye.
The design ethos has always been that different classes excel in certain things, they are all different.
Sorcs are bottom of the pile at tanking, healing, & group utility, so they should be top of the pile for DPS otherwise the class would be back to being junk again.GM of the Unholy LegacyPC/EU/EP1 -
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✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
Remember when templars were absolute garbage and then ZoS nerfed BoL? I 'member...P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!0 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭May be ...when ZOS shuts down ESO serverSorcs are the favored children of Wroble. They won't see any notable nerfs for quite some time, no matter how absolutely dominant they are in PvP and PvE.
It's been like that since TG, and will remain like that for the foreseeable future."Adapt. or Die."0 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭strikeback1247 wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »
Remember when templars were absolute garbage and then ZoS nerfed BoL? I 'member...
Needs some new blood (management) at Zen/ZOS with those that believe in forward progress and really see that nerfing is not. How hard is it to buff things to get the balance, versus nerfing? Why all these going backward with nerfing, constantly? Christ.. almighty.. The experiences should be: Hey, guys.. did you hear (something, something) is getting a buff. Oh, I can't wait!
; whereas, oh crap, guys.. did you hear that (something, something) is getting nerfed again. Ooooh.. I can't wait.. 
Edited by GreenhaloX on July 25, 2017 12:21PM1 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭So you play a mag sorc and you want your own player nerfed? Pets and frags got nerfed, so please dont bring this up.
youre either starting some stuff or having some kind of issue learning to play a sorc in pvp and or getting rekt by them in pvp.
pointless thread, people QQ so much over mag sorcs its sad0 -
red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭May be ...when ZOS shuts down ESO serverThe game is a buff if you play a sorc and a Nerf if you even hover your mouse over any other class in character creator.
Every time a sorc logs in to Cyrodill another Nerf is pulled out of the ZOS Nerf bag and applied to other classes like a little cute sticker.PC - EU:
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Falathren Infernis - AD MagDK
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Rikkof✭✭✭Do not care brahNo, but you know what is getting nerfed next patch, OP?
Nightblades.
Worth it!
Edited by Rikkof on July 25, 2017 6:25PM0 -
Mitoice✭✭✭✭✭May be ...when ZOS shuts down ESO serverYou left out an option....
When wroebel stops playing a mag sorc... and thats my guess0
