Ok lets do it, PC vs Console, what takes more skill...

Betsararie · July 2017

lol. None of this person's points even make sense.

Just because I said someone I know plays with a controller on PC and they're good, = console requires more skill than PC? That is ridiculous and faulty logic.

Many of the other points are about on the same level.

This is a post by someone who doesn't have a gaming PC, who feels it necessary to compare his platform to what is commonly referred to as the "Master Race". (And for good reason).

If you don't have a PC it's okay man, nobody is judging you. The argument doesn't make sense, though because I can just plug a controller into my PC.

There is no way to prove this argument.

Argah · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

lol. None of this person's points even make sense.

Just because I said someone I know plays with a controller on PC and they're good, = console requires more skill than PC? That is ridiculous and faulty logic.

Many of the other points are about on the same level.

This is a post by someone who doesn't have a gaming PC, who feels it necessary to compare his platform to what is commonly referred to as the "Master Race". (And for good reason).

If you don't have a PC it's okay man, nobody is judging you. The argument doesn't make sense, though because I can just plug a controller into my PC.

There is no way to prove this argument.

I don't have a gaming pc nor do I need one, like to chill on couch nowadays as a kid I was into them playing command and conquer but with tablets and mobiles I really don't see the point anymore, won't get into a haves and haves not argument either, that's just idiotic especially on the internet where it's as real as that alien armada due to hit earth this September.

Anyway, back on point, what you think takes more skill? It's like the only thing you haven't mentioned.

Kamatsu · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

I see A LOT of digs from pc players at console players for reasons I don't understand, here is what I think....

I can't really speak for this game, because I've never actually played ESO on a console so I don't know how hard/easy it is. However you could say that at least some of this attitude comes from the long-standing rivalry between the gaming platforms, and the fact that with certain games/genres this is entirely 100% true.

For instance - First person shooting games. KB&M > controller. Why? Every FPS on console has to use aim-assist because of the inaccuracy of using controller sticks to aim & move about. Mouse aiming is a lot more accurate, so in a competitive game... the player-base on PC will likely be more skilled as they have to be more accurate in their shots, as well as more responsive in moving to avoid other players. Console players just wiggle crosshair over a player and press trigger... and auto-aim does the rest.

And yes, I have played CoD & Battlefield games on both a PC & Console. It was a lot easier to get kills on the console than on the PC.

On the other hand, 3rd-person adventure/action games can be a lot better on a controller than KB&M. All 3 Dark Souls games for instance - even though 2 & 3 do actually have decent KB&M support, they still play better with a controller. The 2 latest Lara Croft games are games which are 50/50 either way, KB&M has more accurate aiming for shooting but the fights are less fast-paced than a FPS so controller aim-assist works... and controller movement is better than KB&M (at least in my experience).

So here we come to ESO, where many players have possibly been 'tainted' by stupidity of platform fighting that's happened over the years... and have the mindset that PC is more skillfull than console, mainly due to the FPS crowd & games... and so come into ESO thinking that without ever really looking into it or how consoles deal with ESO combat & gameplay.

Personally I don't think one or the other is 'more skillfull' or better. They both have advantages and disadvantages over the other, and what it really comes down to - what do you prefer, what do you feel more comfortable playing on, and what do you have more fun playing on.

Betsararie · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

lol. None of this person's points even make sense.

Just because I said someone I know plays with a controller on PC and they're good, = console requires more skill than PC? That is ridiculous and faulty logic.

Many of the other points are about on the same level.

This is a post by someone who doesn't have a gaming PC, who feels it necessary to compare his platform to what is commonly referred to as the "Master Race". (And for good reason).

If you don't have a PC it's okay man, nobody is judging you. The argument doesn't make sense, though because I can just plug a controller into my PC.

There is no way to prove this argument.

I don't have a gaming pc nor do I need one, like to chill on couch nowadays as a kid I was into them playing command and conquer but with tablets and mobiles I really don't see the point anymore, won't get into a haves and haves not argument either, that's just idiotic especially on the internet where it's as real as that alien armada due to hit earth this September.

Anyway, back on point, what you think takes more skill? It's like the only thing you haven't mentioned.

I'll take a crack at answering this because even though, like I said it would be difficult or impossible to prove this question, I can give you my opinion.

And my opinion is this, In all honesty this question is possibly not answerable because the only two 'variables' you compare for skill between console and PC are the controls. So one has a controller, the other had mouse and keyboard.

Both take skill to use. Depending on the game, one type of control may be easier or harder for the player to use.

I've never played ESO with a controller so I can't definitively say which is easier to use.

I've always been really good with a controller, and I am good with mouse and keyboard too. I don't think you are limited by using either method in this game.

So my answer is..... it boils down to personal preference and is not an appropriate question to ask.

OC_Justice · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

lol. None of this person's points even make sense.

Just because I said someone I know plays with a controller on PC and they're good, = console requires more skill than PC? That is ridiculous and faulty logic.

Many of the other points are about on the same level.

This is a post by someone who doesn't have a gaming PC, who feels it necessary to compare his platform to what is commonly referred to as the "Master Race". (And for good reason).

If you don't have a PC it's okay man, nobody is judging you. The argument doesn't make sense, though because I can just plug a controller into my PC.

There is no way to prove this argument.

I don't have a gaming pc nor do I need one, like to chill on couch nowadays as a kid I was into them playing command and conquer but with tablets and mobiles I really don't see the point anymore, won't get into a haves and haves not argument either, that's just idiotic especially on the internet where it's as real as that alien armada due to hit earth this September.

Anyway, back on point, what you think takes more skill? It's like the only thing you haven't mentioned.

I'll take a crack at answering this because even though, like I said it would be difficult or impossible to prove this question, I can give you my opinion.

And my opinion is this, In all honesty this question is possibly not answerable because the only two 'variables' you compare for skill between console and PC are the controls. So one has a controller, the other had mouse and keyboard.

Both take skill to use. Depending on the game, one type of control may be easier or harder for the player to use.

I've never played ESO with a controller so I can't definitively say which is easier to use.

I've always been really good with a controller, and I am good with mouse and keyboard too. I don't think you are limited by using either method in this game.

So my answer is..... it boils down to personal preference and is not an appropriate question to ask.

Gonna have to agree.
There is a video of an overwatch player who played on console. One of the top ranking players. All he heard was oh you are only good because you play on console. Well he bought it for PC. within weeks he was top ranking on PC. It is technique and how you play the game. Controller or mouse and keyboard, that is just preference.

ArchMikem · July 2017

PC = Keyboard controls less intuitive, overall slower reaction times, however easily bypassed by using Macros so your crap happens more quickly with just a key.

Console = Incredibly user-friendly controls that have joysticks providing a range of sensitivity for player and camera movements as well as having all of your buttons comfortingly within reach which increases reaction times and and more fluid rotations.

Honestly in terms of ergonomics? Consoles have it much easier.

Curragraigue · July 2017

Played on PC and played on PS4. No noticeable difference between skilled players on both platforms. This isn't a FPS so controller or K&M won't make a difference.

Addons don't really make a big difference except for players that rely on them as a crutch. I think most of the good players will still be good even with addons off.

So in answer to your question neither platform requires a noticeable amount of more skill to play on. The main differences between them are access to addons/interface options, ease of infiltration of cheats, graphics, controller only for consoles and voice chat systems.

Saturnana · July 2017

The skill, as in 'knowing which button to press and being able to do so at the correct time', would probably be the same for both. It's a matter of practice. I can learn to play on a keyboard and I can learn to play on a controller - neither of which are bound to a specific platform. PC may have overall better hardware (gaming rig vs console), add-ons, better graphics and more, but those have very little (if anything) to do with the actual skills of the player.

Betsararie · July 2017

OC_Justice wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

lol. None of this person's points even make sense.

Just because I said someone I know plays with a controller on PC and they're good, = console requires more skill than PC? That is ridiculous and faulty logic.

Many of the other points are about on the same level.

This is a post by someone who doesn't have a gaming PC, who feels it necessary to compare his platform to what is commonly referred to as the "Master Race". (And for good reason).

If you don't have a PC it's okay man, nobody is judging you. The argument doesn't make sense, though because I can just plug a controller into my PC.

There is no way to prove this argument.

I don't have a gaming pc nor do I need one, like to chill on couch nowadays as a kid I was into them playing command and conquer but with tablets and mobiles I really don't see the point anymore, won't get into a haves and haves not argument either, that's just idiotic especially on the internet where it's as real as that alien armada due to hit earth this September.

Anyway, back on point, what you think takes more skill? It's like the only thing you haven't mentioned.

I'll take a crack at answering this because even though, like I said it would be difficult or impossible to prove this question, I can give you my opinion.

And my opinion is this, In all honesty this question is possibly not answerable because the only two 'variables' you compare for skill between console and PC are the controls. So one has a controller, the other had mouse and keyboard.

Both take skill to use. Depending on the game, one type of control may be easier or harder for the player to use.

I've never played ESO with a controller so I can't definitively say which is easier to use.

I've always been really good with a controller, and I am good with mouse and keyboard too. I don't think you are limited by using either method in this game.

So my answer is..... it boils down to personal preference and is not an appropriate question to ask.

Gonna have to agree.
There is a video of an overwatch player who played on console. One of the top ranking players. All he heard was oh you are only good because you play on console. Well he bought it for PC. within weeks he was top ranking on PC. It is technique and how you play the game. Controller or mouse and keyboard, that is just preference.

very well said.

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

Console always requires more skill because a controller is an inferior method of control to keyboard + mouse. But PC has a higher skill ceiling.

Kram8ion · July 2017

PC for the ladies
Console for the guys?
Is that right? Lol

Titansteele · July 2017

Not all PC players have more add-ons than anything else. I can forgive this wild assumption if it is based upon YouTube but remember they represent themselves and nobody else.

I use addons to improve quality of life in the game, the kind of things that ZOS should rectify for all platforms.
Thinks like the Awesome Guild Store, Master Merchant, Lazy Writ Creator, Guild Tools, Autoinvite.

Addons that tell me when to block, dodge, ulti or think I do not use. The game has plenty of cues, I do not want nor need any help in that arena.

I think they are different skills sets and as such are pointless to compare, what is better a plumber or a mechanic?
People are answering different questions on this thread as they are answering something that is possible to compare ... the platforms themselves.

Pele · July 2017

Riptide wrote: »

For the folks who have said that without PC there would be no console version, er, no. I was in the alpha test, the game was designed to be launched on consoles way, way way before day 1. The way skills are, the UI, all of it was designed with it in mind.

As far as which is better, wel, I've played extensively on both. Obviously PC is better - better graphics, mods, custom controllers, the list is very long. Its a higher quality of life,

As for which takes more skill - console, fairly obviously. I don't mean this as a shot and it shouldn't make anyone defensive, It simply does. Less quality of life in so many ways. Simply try VMA on both and it is no contest at all.

The one perk of console - can more easily play in your livingroom or mancave inexpensively.

This. And I say this as a PC player.

Huyen · July 2017

Depends with wich one you grew up with. For me as a pc-player, its really hard to get into a controller, but for the new generation who grew up with the consoles, it will be hard to fathom the pc-controls if they suddenly switch. So I guess there is an equal difficulty across the board.

Banana · July 2017

Clearly consolers because they dont have any money. Thats why their on console in the first place

BNOC · July 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Let the leaderboards decide.

Truly the only thing you could even close to consider a comparison between platforms. And if console plebs plead the lack of addons, what makes you think the best of the best need addons?

Nobody thinks the best of the best need addons, but you only have to look at the worlds best WoW raiding guilds to see that when they're forced to play without addons at the Blizzard events, they do substantially worse - So would all of you and your progression would be hindered as well, that's not even up for debate.

On Xbox Eu there's not much PvE going on these days, 2-3 guilds maybe, but yeah go on

Let's look at the single player leaderboards for vMA for example. I sat 2k score behind Andy S when I was running Magplar in there almost the whole time:

Without buff timers
Without any other addons that he may have had
With longer load screens
Frequent Dc's and lag spikes
Slower turning etc

I'm not saying I'm better or even was (who knows if, with all of the PC perks, I could have saved a measly 40 seconds) I'm just saying we definitely have it harder.
The worst part about it though, is that I wasn't even always top of Xbox Eu, in fact, for quite a while I went back and forth with the now rank 1 pc player Blackmore (Brelle) and sat behind him for the most part.

I think that says enough.

But yeah go on, you tell me about leaderboards and show me the PC palyers coming to console and dominating.

SnubbS · July 2017

I don't feel like there's any difference in terms of 'What takes more skill'—it's the same game, and it's a game which takes very very little skill to begin with. Obviously you don't have to have precise aiming—and while I'd like an option to have a higher sensitivity on console, it really wouldn't change that much—those are the areas in which K&M demolishes controllers, they make it way easier—however those aren't areas which are even relevant in ESO.

PC do have it a lot better due to things such as Add-ons—the game doesn't seem to lag nearly as badly either. I watch a lot of ball-group pvp—it'll be a 15v30 and the game still looks crisp—if you have half that fight on Xbox NA you're already starting to lag a bit. Your buff trackers are better, your interface is better—the quality of life on PC isn't even comparable to Console. We're peasants wearing rags, and you're Saudi princes.

Oh, and you guys had Miat's—I'd kill for Miat's.

Idinuse · July 2017

I think it's a toss up, really. I mean PC has helper addons but at the same time it's a myriad to keep track of in the heat of battle, and you better because your opponent sure is. If you lose concentration you might well be toast. So that takes some skills too.

On the other hand playing with none of these helper adds sure takes its skill too.

I'd say skilled play is skilled, console or PC. At least you're not swamped with "skilled" cheats.

kari-pekka.hamalaineneb17_ESO · July 2017

I wonder where does this put a PC player who doesn't use addons?

What about a PC player that uses addons that gives him detailed information of the combat? Is he really less skilled?
The amount of information that is available to a player is huge. Going through all that information and seeing what is and what isn't important and improving ones gameplay requires skill imo.

Just my thoughts.

bebynnag · July 2017

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Well we wont truly know which oone is better until they allow cross platform play. .

cross platform game play will only work If they ban ALL ADD-ON's

but fear not the 66% will happily teach the 33% how to actually play the game!

MyKillv2.0 · July 2017

Smh....

ESO on PC and ESO on console is almost two completely different games. It doesn't take "more skill" to play on one versus the other. It takes different skills.

Madrr · July 2017

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I recently took up playing ESO with a gamepad after suffering a shoulder injury, and I am loving it. It did take a week of trial and error with button mapping I think I got it down to how I want it. Are console players stuck with the 3 templates or do you have button keybind mapping too? I am still using Srendarr Buffs, Azurah HUD, Skyshards, Lorebooks, and Lost Treasure though; can't play without them, just can't.

Xbox has button mapping

redshirt_49 · July 2017

Most of my addons are utilitarian in nature, like skyshards, lorebooks, minimap, wykkyd's toolbar and stuff like that.

You'll understand your rotations a lot better when personally knowing what buff runs out when and which AoE can be cast for how long than wasting crucial time glancing at combat cues when you should have been paying attention to your opponent.

technohic · July 2017

In PVE I could see being harder, but as far as PVP; you face people with the same handicap and in my experience with every game; PC players for the larger population have been harder to fight. Top end of both can be close. At the same time; there's also more risk of cheaters on PC but I haven't seen that much on ESO so I like it on PC for customization. I play console for just about every other multiplayer.

bebynnag · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

PC is so far beyond console it's not even close.

Maybe that's why my computer costed close to $3000 and your console costs $200? Maybe that would have something to do with it

Also my computer is, you know, a computer? Can be used for many things other than gaming.

Consoles are useful as doorstops and little else.

Are they talking about the price of PC vs Console or who has more skill in the game all together I'm confused I know my Xbox with all my add stuff to it is more than 600 tho and 3k on a PC you should have just made your own from the sound of it.....

Didn't buy prebuilt.

Argah wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

PC is so far beyond console it's not even close.

Maybe that's why my computer costed close to $3000 and your console costs $200? Maybe that would have something to do with it

Also my computer is, you know, a computer? Can be used for many things other than gaming.

Consoles are useful as doorstops and little else.

Blanco wrote: »

PC is so far beyond console it's not even close.

Maybe that's why my computer costed close to $3000 and your console costs $200? Maybe that would have something to do with it

Also my computer is, you know, a computer? Can be used for many things other than gaming.

Consoles are useful as doorstops and little else.

If my house and car is more valuable than yours does it make you a doorknob?

You're looking at it all wrong.

It's not about the price but rather the power.

The price is just an indication of how powerful the machine is.

Gaming PCs are far more powerful than consoles, and as such deliver an objectively superior experience.

They also have the superior control scheme (mouse and keyboard), and you can even plug in a controller if you wish.

I am discussing facts and nothing else.

That is common knowledge, has no relevance at all to what takes more skill to play.

PC players here sneer at console players, I thought it was based on how easy we get it, if it's because they paid more... well that's pretty pathetic.

I usually like to argue about which one is better.....

As for which one takes more skill, I don't think that can be said definitively.

For example I have friends on PC who play with a controller who are some of the best players I know. Does that count as PC or console because they're using a console controller?

I don't think it's a worthwhile argument or something that can really be proven.

Add ons are not considered an advantage, either, they are for QoL. They are designed to not give unfair advantages (they don't).

add ons do not give an unfair advantage - BS

theres an add on that allows players to swap armour during combat.... SWAP ARMOUR DURING COMBAT - that is straight up cheating imho!

SnubbS · July 2017

Blanco wrote: »

PC is so far beyond console it's not even close.

Maybe that's why my computer costed close to $3000 and your console costs $200? Maybe that would have something to do with it

Also my computer is, you know, a computer? Can be used for many things other than gaming.

Consoles are useful as doorstops and little else.

You give PC players a bad name—you're a casual gamer who spent thousands on a PC to waste your time doing nothing of note in any game you're ever going to decide to play. The only difference between you and the average Xbox CoD player is that they didn't spend 3k to waste their time.

Nyghthowler · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Hmm, name a PC player who can complete vMoL without addons... *sips tea*

This thread is major bait. But at the end of the day, console made this game what it is today. And we make up for 66% of players across platforms.

It's not bait hence the talk civil, it could be really good discussion.

This thread is total bait and troll, with a large dose of personal preference/opinion and e-peen. It also usually appears at least once a month on the forums, with no other purpose then to rile the inmates.

Aisle9 · July 2017

The fact that there's a discussion regarding the argument that using a platform rather than another makes you more skilled irks me to no end, but, please:

Just stop... let it lie, just forget about it and do something more productive with your life.

mb10 · July 2017

Take away add ons and exploits and most the top pc players are average meta using console players

RainfeatherUK · July 2017

SnubbS wrote: »

it's the same game, and it's a game which takes very very little skill to begin with.

The only thing worth reading here. Aside from muscle memory (which is just hours invested) and the fact that some people have a better connection/latency and rig (thus better play-ability) I think people forget how mindnumbingly simple the game is once you copy the mathematically 'meta' build at the time.

This game has one of the most basic skill volumes and designs out there. Its designed to appeal to the casual - hence the laughably easy content. Its not brain surgery and its not competitive.

SO lets not pretend playing it is a 'skill' of any kind. Its not. At best its a recreational waste of time (like a good many hobbies that don't have a long term/health/skill benefit).