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Challenge: Can anyone name a stam/mag class ability that's completely restricted? (Help Wrobel!)
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Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Stan DK doesn't have a spammable
Stam DKs have various stamina based spammables through weapon abilities (bow, 2H, DW) and even a guild ability (silver bolts)
Yeah but that's not a spammable ,I can use those same spammables on other stam builds like Nbs or Templars which also class class spammables
Weapon Spammables =/= Stam based class spammables
Also silver bolts is NOT a spammble.
@Anti_Virus
The concept of this post isn't just about class based abilities. It's about whether a mag/stam build has access to similar abilities that everyone else has. (weapons abilities, guild abilities, class abilities, or armor sets) And Silver Bolts is spammable. It's cast time is instant.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Stan DK doesn't have a spammable
Stam DKs have various stamina based spammables through weapon abilities (bow, 2H, DW) and even a guild ability (silver bolts)
Yeah but that's not a spammable ,I can use those same spammables on other stam builds like Nbs or Templars which also class spammables
Weapon Spammables =/= Stam based class spammables
Also silver bolts is NOT a spammble.
@Anti_Virus
The concept of this post isn't just about class based abilities. It's about whether a mag/stam build has access to similar abilities that everyone else has. (weapons abilities, guild abilities, class abilities, or armor sets) And Silver Bolts is spammable. It's cast time is instant.
Oh ok, carry on then.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
AAbrigo✭✭✭My magplar doesnt have any access to spammable roots/talons?
Where do you want to go with this thread?
As a magdk you still have access to executioner even though is physical dmg? You could even say all other stamina classes who dont use 2h also is missing a execute skill.2 -
Fvh09NL✭✭✭My magplar doesnt have any access to spammable roots/talons?
Where do you want to go with this thread?
As a magdk you still have access to executioner even though is physical dmg? You could even say all other stamina classes who dont use 2h also is missing a execute skill.
I think Poison injection from the Bow skill line is an execute and the whole dual wield skill line has a build-in execute through a passive. So what you are saying is not really true since only Sword and shield users don't have an execute as far as I know.
Also, saying mDK has access to the 2h execute skill is a bit stupid, that doesn't even do damage due to how damage scaling works.Edited by Fvh09NL on July 25, 2017 4:34PM2 -
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AAbrigo✭✭✭My magplar doesnt have any access to spammable roots/talons?
Where do you want to go with this thread?
As a magdk you still have access to executioner even though is physical dmg? You could even say all other stamina classes who dont use 2h also is missing a execute skill.
I think Poison injection from the Bow skill line is an execute and the whole dual wield skill line has a build-in execute through a passive. So what you are saying is not really through since only Sword and shield users don't have an execute as far as I know.
Also, saying mDK has access to the 2h execute skill is a bit stupid, that doesn't even do damage due to how damage scaling works.
You think?
I think Magdk got an execute in ferocious leap!
Ferocious leap is stronger than any execute.
And you thinking poison injection or the whole dual wield skill line is an execute is even more stupid than using 2h executioner on a mag class.Edited by AAbrigo on July 25, 2017 11:04AM0 -
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✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Stamina Nightblade. I want a siphoning ability. Particularly Cripple but a stam morph.
If you mean "siphoning ability" as in doing damage and receiving heals from it- you have access to that concept via DW (Bloodcraze, Bloodthirst, Lascerate), Bow (Draining Shot), a few armor sets, and poisons.
edited for grammar
Cripple is the complete package though. Snare,Speed Boost, Damage, heals and offers a lot with the siphoning passives. None of those abilties you mentioned can do all this in 1 sweet package.
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Fvh09NL✭✭✭My magplar doesnt have any access to spammable roots/talons?
Where do you want to go with this thread?
As a magdk you still have access to executioner even though is physical dmg? You could even say all other stamina classes who dont use 2h also is missing a execute skill.
I think Poison injection from the Bow skill line is an execute and the whole dual wield skill line has a build-in execute through a passive. So what you are saying is not really through since only Sword and shield users don't have an execute as far as I know.
Also, saying mDK has access to the 2h execute skill is a bit stupid, that doesn't even do damage due to how damage scaling works.
You think?
I think Magdk got an execute in ferocious leap!
Ferocious leap is stronger than any execute.
And you thinking poison injection or the whole dual wield skill line is an execute is even more stupid than using 2h executioner on a mag class.
Maybe because it is an ultimate, which, by your way of thinking, mDK's need to use as an execute. All other classes can use their ultimate strategically, so that is just wrong.
As for Poison injection: The damage over time is increased against targets under 50% health.
As for dual wield skill line: The Slaughter passive increases damage done with dual wield abilities by 20% against targets under 25% health.
These work as stam based executes, and quite well actually. You said all stamina builds who dont want to run 2h lack an execute, but they don't...
I'm not saying mDK needs an execute, I personally think they don't. But saying mDK's can use executioner from the 2h skill line and that all stamina builds who dont want to run 2h lack an execute is just ridiculous.
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✭MakeMy magplar doesnt have any access to spammable roots/talons?
Where do you want to go with this thread?
As a magdk you still have access to executioner even though is physical dmg? You could even say all other stamina classes who dont use 2h also is missing a execute skill.
I think Poison injection from the Bow skill line is an execute and the whole dual wield skill line has a build-in execute through a passive. So what you are saying is not really through since only Sword and shield users don't have an execute as far as I know.
Also, saying mDK has access to the 2h execute skill is a bit stupid, that doesn't even do damage due to how damage scaling works.
You think?
I think Magdk got an execute in ferocious leap!
Ferocious leap is stronger than any execute.
And you thinking poison injection or the whole dual wield skill line is an execute is even more stupid than using 2h executioner on a mag class.
Maybe because it is an ultimate, which, by your way of thinking, mDK's need to use as an execute. All other classes can use their ultimate strategically, so that is just wrong.
As for Poison injection: The damage over time is increased against targets under 50% health.
As for dual wield skill line: The Slaughter passive increases damage done with dual wield abilities by 20% against targets under 25% health.
These work as stam based executes, and quite well actually. You said all stamina builds who dont want to run 2h lack an execute, but they don't...
I'm not saying mDK needs an execute, I personally think they don't. But saying mDK's can use executioner from the 2h skill line and that all stamina builds who dont want to run 2h lack an execute is just ridiculous.
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Fvh09NL✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »MakeMy magplar doesnt have any access to spammable roots/talons?
Where do you want to go with this thread?
As a magdk you still have access to executioner even though is physical dmg? You could even say all other stamina classes who dont use 2h also is missing a execute skill.
I think Poison injection from the Bow skill line is an execute and the whole dual wield skill line has a build-in execute through a passive. So what you are saying is not really through since only Sword and shield users don't have an execute as far as I know.
Also, saying mDK has access to the 2h execute skill is a bit stupid, that doesn't even do damage due to how damage scaling works.
You think?
I think Magdk got an execute in ferocious leap!
Ferocious leap is stronger than any execute.
And you thinking poison injection or the whole dual wield skill line is an execute is even more stupid than using 2h executioner on a mag class.
Maybe because it is an ultimate, which, by your way of thinking, mDK's need to use as an execute. All other classes can use their ultimate strategically, so that is just wrong.
As for Poison injection: The damage over time is increased against targets under 50% health.
As for dual wield skill line: The Slaughter passive increases damage done with dual wield abilities by 20% against targets under 25% health.
These work as stam based executes, and quite well actually. You said all stamina builds who dont want to run 2h lack an execute, but they don't...
I'm not saying mDK needs an execute, I personally think they don't. But saying mDK's can use executioner from the 2h skill line and that all stamina builds who dont want to run 2h lack an execute is just ridiculous.
Slaughter passive is not an execute
True, but a passive execute, like Slaughter, is really nice too!0 -
Azikiel✭✭✭Wardens lack any aoe dots to scale with thaumaturge, all of theirs are either single target or count as direct damage.0
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✭gethemshauna wrote: »Sorc doesnt have class spammable.
This is surprise to me with all the Mage's Wrath spam that goes on in BGs/Cyrodiil
While I agree those, people are idiots that don't know how to play properly. A proper class spammable would be ideal.
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Sylvis✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Why does every class need to have everything? Real question.
Well, I think the point is that every class DOES have access to type of ability, except for in this case. Executes are a pretty big deal, so to be the only class that lacks that type of skill would be frustrating.2 -
scipionumatia✭✭✭✭mage warden has no gap closer or execute either (unless you count bear... which I don't)
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scipionumatia✭✭✭✭My magplar doesnt have any access to spammable roots/talons?
Where do you want to go with this thread?
As a magdk you still have access to executioner even though is physical dmg? You could even say all other stamina classes who dont use 2h also is missing a execute skill.
this is a good one, all classes have some kind of roots spare Templars.
nb- cripple (or agony forget which one roots?)
sorc- encase
dk- petrify/ tallons
warden- impaling shards
Scipio Numantia Red guard Nightblade PvP- AD
Scipio Asiaticus Khajiit Nightblade (CRAFTER/DPS) PvE- EP
Altmer Nightblade PvP- EP
Fueoculto Breton Templar (DPS) PvE- EP
Rasoculto Orc Dragon Knight PvP- EP
Caethus Argonian Templar (HEAL) PvE- EP
Vale Oso Nord Sorc (DPS) PvE- AD
Sir-Galahad-the-pure Altmer Sorc (DPS) PvE- EP
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Should this thread be changed to say "name abilities or passives that classes dont have access to (both in class and outside sources)."
Because one of the strengths of magplar is that I can get both major crit+ minor sorcery+ ulti gen off one skill while adding another skill to get major sorcery+ mag increase+ mag recovery increase.
Stamplar can also run weapon lines skills for their major brutality buffs while having a percentage boost to WD via their passive.
I know ZOS has said in advertising that the game is intended to play like Skyrim; "play as you want". But they control the balance of the game through effectiveness of how accessible each class/build can gather their buffs in pve/PvP content.
Of the top of my head, mag dk really has no access to an execute, while their Stam brothers can use two hander+bow. But Stam DK loses out on a powerful self-heal. That's simply balance
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✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Why does every class need to have everything? Real question.
Well, I think the point is that every class DOES have access to type of ability, except for in this case. Executes are a pretty big deal, so to be the only class that lacks that type of skill would be frustrating.
I'd agree, every class needs a way to execute or to layer on burst. As a magplar you can choose to run consistent DMG with Jesus beam or run purfying light+unstable core; both effective. But magDK has no access to easy burst aside from ultimates; but they can take more hits and control the field of Battle. End result is the same.
But is that bad? Its a "Coke/Pepsi" argument; I'll still be able to have my soft drink with my pizza.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭Does the Kvatch Gladiator 5 piece count as an execute?Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭scipionumatia wrote: »My magplar doesnt have any access to spammable roots/talons?
Where do you want to go with this thread?
As a magdk you still have access to executioner even though is physical dmg? You could even say all other stamina classes who dont use 2h also is missing a execute skill.
this is a good one, all classes have some kind of roots spare Templars.
nb- cripple (or agony forget which one roots?)
sorc- encase
dk- petrify/ tallons
warden- impaling shards
This is actually pretty legit. Stamplars, do have access to a stamina based root in the form of the Fighter's Guild ability Trap Beast (which is fantastic to use)... but I can't think of a magicka-based root for MagPlars.
So, MagPlars are missing a magicka-based root!Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭✭✭✭mDK has no access to any magicka based execute via class skills, passives, weapons, mages guild, enchants or potions. Should S&B or destro skills lines be given an execute? Or the mages guild skill line?
Magplar has no access to a root. Should the resto staff be given a root? While many magplars don't use resto staves, healers often do and adding a defensive mechanism to heal specs seems like s good fit.
EDIT: Magplars can get a root via the entrapping poisons. It's not a reliable root though.Edited by NBrookus on July 26, 2017 5:28AM0 -
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✭✭Yay..... let's make every class the same till it all turns into brown soup.....
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mDK has no access to any magicka based execute via class skills, passives, weapons, mages guild, enchants or potions. Should S&B or destro skills lines be given an execute? Or the mages guild skill line?
Magplar has no access to a root. Should the resto staff be given a root? While many magplars don't use resto staves, healers often do and adding a defensive mechanism to heal specs seems like s good fit.
EDIT: Magplars can get a root via the entrapping poisons. It's not a reliable root though.
We don't need a root, we have a reliable gap closer.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭scipionumatia wrote: »My magplar doesnt have any access to spammable roots/talons?
Where do you want to go with this thread?
As a magdk you still have access to executioner even though is physical dmg? You could even say all other stamina classes who dont use 2h also is missing a execute skill.
this is a good one, all classes have some kind of roots spare Templars.
nb- cripple (or agony forget which one roots?)
sorc- encase
dk- petrify/ tallons
warden- impaling shards
Just saying
wall of elements on an ice staff has a high 'chilled status effect' uptime chilled = snared
Edited by bebynnag on July 26, 2017 12:14PM0 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't really know magDK's much at all, but I'd suspect an execute may be a bit on the strong side.. I mean, once those dots are built up - won't the combination of dot damage and anytime's be as good as an execute already ?Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭I don't really know magDK's much at all, but I'd suspect an execute may be a bit on the strong side.. I mean, once those dots are built up - won't the combination of dot damage and anytime's be as good as an execute already ?
MDKs DoTs are easily purged. And with that logic- you're saying no one needs an execute if they're doing damage prior to.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭✭✭Integral1900 wrote: »Yay..... let's make every class the same till it all turns into brown soup.....
IKR?!?! Stupid people wanting balance and all...Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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