A Thread About How I Like the Current Guild Trader System
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kurkikohtaus wrote: »The for and against arguments are ALL moot, for 2 reasons:
1 - ZOS will never implement a global auction house. The current system is what we have and always will have, so either learn to use it or don't participate in trading.
2 - "IF" a global auction house were to be implemented, it would immediately bowl over the existing system, because even those that favour it would abandon guild traders and use the new system out of necessity. So any arguments "for" guild traders fall by the wayside, largely due to the predictable, server-wide activity that would ensue.
Can anyone who favours guild trading in all honesty state that they would boycott a global auction house if one were implemented?
Not necessarily I suggested many many times in almost every post to come to a comparison between the 2.
Here's my thought about merging the 2
1. Centralized Marketers per zone at major hub
2. People can list up to 10 items per week no matter if in guild or not
3. Pool all information in that zone to that trader so we dont need to run around
4. This way we get to keep the current guild trading system and still have a semi centralized market place for everyone.2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »The system is very simple. If you are in good trader location, the system works well for you. Even better if you don't have to pay anything to be there.
If you are in an out of the way location, you'll barely sell anything and as such, should not like the system.
From the buyer's POV, the system is inconvenient. Hopping from one trader to the next is somewhat ridiculous, and there is no guarantee you will find what you are looking for.
Out of the way traders very rarely have anything of value.
Simple for someone that can only log in for 2 hours a day, really.
lol'd
In all honesty if you only play this game 2 hours a day, you will get next to nothing done, and achieve very little. I say that in a very kind way... however the reason for that is how long everything takes to do in this game.
Everything takes soooo long to do in this game. Just doing your writs alone and actually going to the waypoints to turn in the quests, and sorting all of the items you get from the writs.... all of that can take over an hour on 1 char. I don't know how, but it can.
One daily quest can take close to an hour, depending on the quest.
If you play 2 hours a day, I daresay you will be able to, in fact, play the game very little. I strive for 6 hours a day (sometimes can't do it), and I even wish I could play far more than that.
You know, it is possible to play the game in a totally rewarding and enjoyable way without doing writs and dailies. If that's all people log in for, they're not playing a game they're doing the daily household chores.1 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »The system is very simple. If you are in good trader location, the system works well for you. Even better if you don't have to pay anything to be there.
If you are in an out of the way location, you'll barely sell anything and as such, should not like the system.
From the buyer's POV, the system is inconvenient. Hopping from one trader to the next is somewhat ridiculous, and there is no guarantee you will find what you are looking for.
Out of the way traders very rarely have anything of value.
Simple for someone that can only log in for 2 hours a day, really.
lol'd
In all honesty if you only play this game 2 hours a day, you will get next to nothing done, and achieve very little. I say that in a very kind way... however the reason for that is how long everything takes to do in this game.
Everything takes soooo long to do in this game. Just doing your writs alone and actually going to the waypoints to turn in the quests, and sorting all of the items you get from the writs.... all of that can take over an hour on 1 char. I don't know how, but it can.
One daily quest can take close to an hour, depending on the quest.
If you play 2 hours a day, I daresay you will be able to, in fact, play the game very little. I strive for 6 hours a day (sometimes can't do it), and I even wish I could play far more than that.
You know, it is possible to play the game in a totally rewarding and enjoyable way without doing writs and dailies. If that's all people log in for, they're not playing a game they're doing the daily household chores.
ok. Fair enough
The point you bring up is valid. However. Why wouldn't you want to do dailies and especially writs?
Seriously. Dailies are worth doing for the gold (about 1000 per daily after you sell the ornates), and in the cases of the mage's guild and undaunted dailies, they level essential skill lines. Realistically you need to do the Mage's guild dailies to get that skill line to level 10.
As for the writs..... you have to do the writs they get you gold and not only that, they give you a treasure trove of other goodies such as master writs and mats. If you don't do writs or don't know what they are, I strongly question your competence.
It is true some people can find fulfillment without even doing dailies or ever completing a writ..... I am not one of those people I think that is disgraceful.
You don't have to do the dailies every day, but ideally they are completed often. If I don't have it in me to finish one one day, I will make sure I get the quest and then promptly complete the previous day's quest and current day's quest the next day...
And that is why the more hours you have for this game the better. It takes a long time to get things done.
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redshirt_49✭✭✭✭I like the idea behind the guild traders but not the reality.
Do you have any idea how much shady stuff those trading guilds are doing to secure their top places? Shadow guilds and shell guilds that screw other, lesser guilds out of trader spots. They form guild conglomerates all owned by larger mega-guilds to secure trader spots for nobody but themselves. Artificial inflation or deflation of certain item prices. Trying to suppress market supply and gaining monopoly by mass-buying certain items and making sure they're only offered at your trader at raised prices etc. etc. etc.
Sure, the average player is never going to notice ANY of this.
I'd simply want the system gone or at least revamped, so I don't walk through an entire area, talking to each trader to see if he has the item I want only to find that NONE of them do and I just wasted my time and when I finally do find it, it is horribly overpriced, since an inexperienced seller has no real way other than addons to guage what price he should sell an item at, whereas on a global market, you have NONE of these problems.
All items are immediately visible and available. Trader conglomerates couldn't hold monopolies so easily anymore. You won't be having as much trouble trying to find the item you want. Prices would probably be lower too, since regular Joes can get in on the trading and are generally far more willing to undersell their stuff for a quick sale.
The system as it is, is massively skewed towards the suppliers and even more so by making it nearly impossible for lesser guilds and small-time dudes looking to sell that rare item piece they got to actually have a chance of reaching a larger player-base since all the trader spots in the cities are nearly always held by these guild conglomerates.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »The system is very simple. If you are in good trader location, the system works well for you. Even better if you don't have to pay anything to be there.
If you are in an out of the way location, you'll barely sell anything and as such, should not like the system.
From the buyer's POV, the system is inconvenient. Hopping from one trader to the next is somewhat ridiculous, and there is no guarantee you will find what you are looking for.
Out of the way traders very rarely have anything of value.
Simple for someone that can only log in for 2 hours a day, really.
lol'd
In all honesty if you only play this game 2 hours a day, you will get next to nothing done, and achieve very little. I say that in a very kind way... however the reason for that is how long everything takes to do in this game.
Everything takes soooo long to do in this game. Just doing your writs alone and actually going to the waypoints to turn in the quests, and sorting all of the items you get from the writs.... all of that can take over an hour on 1 char. I don't know how, but it can.
One daily quest can take close to an hour, depending on the quest.
If you play 2 hours a day, I daresay you will be able to, in fact, play the game very little. I strive for 6 hours a day (sometimes can't do it), and I even wish I could play far more than that.
You know, it is possible to play the game in a totally rewarding and enjoyable way without doing writs and dailies. If that's all people log in for, they're not playing a game they're doing the daily household chores.
ok. Fair enough
The point you bring up is valid. However. Why wouldn't you want to do dailies and especially writs?
Seriously. Dailies are worth doing for the gold (about 1000 per daily after you sell the ornates), and in the cases of the mage's guild and undaunted dailies, they level essential skill lines. Realistically you need to do the Mage's guild dailies to get that skill line to level 10.
As for the writs..... you have to do the writs they get you gold and not only that, they give you a treasure trove of other goodies such as master writs and mats. If you don't do writs or don't know what they are, I strongly question your competence.
It is true some people can find fulfillment without even doing dailies or ever completing a writ..... I am not one of those people I think that is disgraceful.
You don't have to do the dailies every day, but ideally they are completed often. If I don't have it in me to finish one one day, I will make sure I get the quest and then promptly complete the previous day's quest and current day's quest the next day...
And that is why the more hours you have for this game the better. It takes a long time to get things done.
Everyone's playstyle is different. I do writs and dailies occasionally, but mainly I'm questing and leveling my multiple characters across two accounts. Others may only be playing for the PvP, for example. It doesn't matter in my view how many (or how few) hours you have for the game, all that matters is that you enjoy yourself in the time available to play it. Personally I'm far too busy in my retirement even remotely to consider playing a game for 6 hours per day but I continue to enjoy the game as much if not more than when I started playing it at PC launch. Fortunately it's not a race or competition and I'm under no pressure to "get things done" at other than my own pace. Whether you consider me disgraceful or incompetent doesn't concern me in the slightest - but you might want to reconsider your own life priorities if advancing in a computer game means that much to you
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aagobbo✭✭I just want a search by word. It would prevent us to navigate through pages and pages! (PS4 here, we cry when we do need something from guild vendors)
Then we can talk about the AH, I would like that too, but the search... this is urgent!
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Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the idea of the current system is good. Implementation is lacking.
It needs at the very least a proper search function.
I've also always thought there should be a type of procurement NPC that has a global listing of all GT listings. This NPC would show you where you need to go to pick up the item you're after, or for a fee, purchase and deliver the item to you.
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✭✭✭✭✭So i see it all the time here on the forums, people are constantly complaining about how there is no global action house, and i feel like i should say something.
I LOVE THE WAY GUILD TRADERS ARE IN THE GAME.
sure, having a global action house may be more convenient, but with the price of convenience there also come with it the negative effects that i would have, if there was a global action house would i have been able to buy 5 different alliance motifs for 10 gold each, pick up a stack or raw rubidite for 3 gold a pop? probably not! i make a killing in my trading guild by picking off these low priced items and then reselling them on a guild trader in a big city, i love the way it feels having to have your guild fight for a spot, and just traveling around to all the small traders in hopes that you can find a steal, or going through guild stores that don't have a trader to find that epicly priced item it just fun and exhilarating. It makes you feel like a master of the art of the deal when you pull this off. i just (personally) cant understand all the hate for the system. it makes you work, BIG DEAL! you put in the time, you come out with a metric-butt-ton of money, and who doesn't love money?
The only reason you enjoy it so much is because you happen to belong to a large trading guild that allows you to effectively sell your items for a profit. Not all of us are so lucky - especially players who play this game casually or who cannot commit to the requirements of a large guild. For these players - they are effectively shut out of the market entirely when it comes to trying to sell their wares. So it sucks for them. But who cares right? So long as you are making plenty of gold it's an awesome system.
So thank you for confirming basically everything I have said about the current system. Those who passionately defend it are usually those who are profiting off of it. And I hope you enjoy all that gold you are making by taking advantage of those smaller guilds desperately trying to sell their stuff. It certainly seems that you are.
Edited by Jeremy on July 24, 2017 3:52PM4 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So i see it all the time here on the forums, people are constantly complaining about how there is no global action house, and i feel like i should say something.
I LOVE THE WAY GUILD TRADERS ARE IN THE GAME.
sure, having a global action house may be more convenient, but with the price of convenience there also come with it the negative effects that i would have, if there was a global action house would i have been able to buy 5 different alliance motifs for 10 gold each, pick up a stack or raw rubidite for 3 gold a pop? probably not! i make a killing in my trading guild by picking off these low priced items and then reselling them on a guild trader in a big city, i love the way it feels having to have your guild fight for a spot, and just traveling around to all the small traders in hopes that you can find a steal, or going through guild stores that don't have a trader to find that epicly priced item it just fun and exhilarating. It makes you feel like a master of the art of the deal when you pull this off. i just (personally) cant understand all the hate for the system. it makes you work, BIG DEAL! you put in the time, you come out with a metric-butt-ton of money, and who doesn't love money?
The only reason you enjoy it so much is because you happen to belong to a large trading guild that allows you to effectively sell your items for a profit. Not all of us are so lucky - especially players who play this game casually or who cannot commit to the requirements of a large guild. For these players - they are effectively shut out of the market entirely when it comes to trying to sell their wares.
But thank you for confirming basically everything I have said about the current system. Those who passionately defend it are usually those who are profiting off of it. So I hope you enjoy all that gold you are making by taking advantage of those smaller guilds desperately trying to sell their stuff. It certainly seems that you are.
There's plenty of large trading guilds with good locations that have very minimal requirements. 1000g a week in sales. This is nothing. This is a lazy hour of farming mats. This is one mediocre overland set drop. This is a handful of tripots or spell power potions.
I understand your argument, but in all honesty the only thing stopping you from partaking in the market, is you.
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So i see it all the time here on the forums, people are constantly complaining about how there is no global action house, and i feel like i should say something.
I LOVE THE WAY GUILD TRADERS ARE IN THE GAME.
sure, having a global action house may be more convenient, but with the price of convenience there also come with it the negative effects that i would have, if there was a global action house would i have been able to buy 5 different alliance motifs for 10 gold each, pick up a stack or raw rubidite for 3 gold a pop? probably not! i make a killing in my trading guild by picking off these low priced items and then reselling them on a guild trader in a big city, i love the way it feels having to have your guild fight for a spot, and just traveling around to all the small traders in hopes that you can find a steal, or going through guild stores that don't have a trader to find that epicly priced item it just fun and exhilarating. It makes you feel like a master of the art of the deal when you pull this off. i just (personally) cant understand all the hate for the system. it makes you work, BIG DEAL! you put in the time, you come out with a metric-butt-ton of money, and who doesn't love money?
The only reason you enjoy it so much is because you happen to belong to a large trading guild that allows you to effectively sell your items for a profit. Not all of us are so lucky - especially players who play this game casually or who cannot commit to the requirements of a large guild. For these players - they are effectively shut out of the market entirely when it comes to trying to sell their wares.
But thank you for confirming basically everything I have said about the current system. Those who passionately defend it are usually those who are profiting off of it. So I hope you enjoy all that gold you are making by taking advantage of those smaller guilds desperately trying to sell their stuff. It certainly seems that you are.
There's plenty of large trading guilds with good locations that have very minimal requirements. 1000g a week in sales. This is nothing. This is a lazy hour of farming mats. This is one mediocre overland set drop. This is a handful of tripots or spell power potions.
I understand your argument, but in all honesty the only thing stopping you from partaking in the market, is you.
Right, it couldn't possibly be that there are only a limited amount of guild traders that allow players to effectively sell items - and of those they have weekly requirements players must meet else they will kick them. But It's all my fault of course. The Guild Trader system itself has nothing to do with it - and everyone on ESO actually has easy access to these prime selling locations if only that dastardly Jeremy would get out of everyone's way and allow them to do it.
Edited by Jeremy on July 24, 2017 4:18PM5 -
generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭So i see it all the time here on the forums, people are constantly complaining about how there is no global action house, and i feel like i should say something.
I LOVE THE WAY GUILD TRADERS ARE IN THE GAME.
sure, having a global action house may be more convenient, but with the price of convenience there also come with it the negative effects that i would have, if there was a global action house would i have been able to buy 5 different alliance motifs for 10 gold each, pick up a stack or raw rubidite for 3 gold a pop? probably not! i make a killing in my trading guild by picking off these low priced items and then reselling them on a guild trader in a big city, i love the way it feels having to have your guild fight for a spot, and just traveling around to all the small traders in hopes that you can find a steal, or going through guild stores that don't have a trader to find that epicly priced item it just fun and exhilarating. It makes you feel like a master of the art of the deal when you pull this off. i just (personally) cant understand all the hate for the system. it makes you work, BIG DEAL! you put in the time, you come out with a metric-butt-ton of money, and who doesn't love money?
@Orjix i love this too! but it has to be made fair by making a guild unable to disband after it wins a trader = there are groups abusing this mechanic/system on ps4/na server to sell spots for millions or hold spots for their guild IF it doesn't get its bid somewhere else."The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kurkikohtaus wrote: »The for and against arguments are ALL moot, for 2 reasons:
1 - ZOS will never implement a global auction house. The current system is what we have and always will have, so either learn to use it or don't participate in trading.
2 - "IF" a global auction house were to be implemented, it would immediately bowl over the existing system, because even those that favour it would abandon guild traders and use the new system out of necessity. So any arguments "for" guild traders fall by the wayside, largely due to the predictable, server-wide activity that would ensue.
Can anyone who favours guild trading in all honesty state that they would boycott a global auction house if one were implemented?
Not necessarily I suggested many many times in almost every post to come to a comparison between the 2.
Here's my thought about merging the 2
1. Centralized Marketers per zone at major hub
2. People can list up to 10 items per week no matter if in guild or not
3. Pool all information in that zone to that trader so we dont need to run around
4. This way we get to keep the current guild trading system and still have a semi centralized market place for everyone.
I like your suggestions, especially no. 2. So it seems a decent enough compromise to me.
The problem here is access. Expecting players to belong to some elite trading guild just to do something as fundamental as selling their items on the market was a mistake and has alienated many players.4 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So i see it all the time here on the forums, people are constantly complaining about how there is no global action house, and i feel like i should say something.
I LOVE THE WAY GUILD TRADERS ARE IN THE GAME.
sure, having a global action house may be more convenient, but with the price of convenience there also come with it the negative effects that i would have, if there was a global action house would i have been able to buy 5 different alliance motifs for 10 gold each, pick up a stack or raw rubidite for 3 gold a pop? probably not! i make a killing in my trading guild by picking off these low priced items and then reselling them on a guild trader in a big city, i love the way it feels having to have your guild fight for a spot, and just traveling around to all the small traders in hopes that you can find a steal, or going through guild stores that don't have a trader to find that epicly priced item it just fun and exhilarating. It makes you feel like a master of the art of the deal when you pull this off. i just (personally) cant understand all the hate for the system. it makes you work, BIG DEAL! you put in the time, you come out with a metric-butt-ton of money, and who doesn't love money?
The only reason you enjoy it so much is because you happen to belong to a large trading guild that allows you to effectively sell your items for a profit. Not all of us are so lucky - especially players who play this game casually or who cannot commit to the requirements of a large guild. For these players - they are effectively shut out of the market entirely when it comes to trying to sell their wares.
But thank you for confirming basically everything I have said about the current system. Those who passionately defend it are usually those who are profiting off of it. So I hope you enjoy all that gold you are making by taking advantage of those smaller guilds desperately trying to sell their stuff. It certainly seems that you are.
There's plenty of large trading guilds with good locations that have very minimal requirements. 1000g a week in sales. This is nothing. This is a lazy hour of farming mats. This is one mediocre overland set drop. This is a handful of tripots or spell power potions.
I understand your argument, but in all honesty the only thing stopping you from partaking in the market, is you.
Right, it couldn't possibly be that there are only a limited amount of guild traders that allow players to effectively sell items - and of those they have weekly requirements players must meet else they will kick players. But It's all my fault of course. The Guild Trader system itself has nothing to do with it - and everyone on ESO actually has easy access to these prime selling locations if only that dastardly Jeremy would get out of everyone's way and allow them to do it.
Ready comprehension for the win. Let me reword it for you.
There are plenty of LARGE TRADING GUILDS in decent and even GOOD SPOTS with extremely LOW requirements. The only thing hindering you from participating in these guilds is your desire not to/lack of effort.Edited by Sigtric on July 24, 2017 4:21PM
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aaisoaho✭✭✭✭✭I have a feeling this debate has only 2 sides(sorry for polarised - strawmannish point of view):
1. Time = effort = reward (Likes current system)
2. Player should not use huge amounts of time and effort to get rewarded (Wants AH)
One thing I agree with many of you: current system is lacking, because for example there's no search function in the UI.
The trading is pretty simple once you get in, without add-ons, you must search the price manually:
1. Check your guild store for that spesific item
2. If not found, check the neighbour's prices
3. If not found, checn the price from a similar place (for example: if your trader is in the middle of nowhere, travel to another middle of nowhere trader)
4. If not found, check the main cities traders for the price
The most problematic items will be gear and rare motifs - easiest ones are materials. I feel like this is not a huge effort to do, once you've been a little time in a trading scene. Only thing slowing you down in this scenario is the lack of search function.
Buying an item is also pretty simple: if you want it fast and don't mind the price, check main cities (mournhold, elden root, stormhaven, rawlkha, craglorn's capital). If you want it cheaper and don't mind the time, you should search the middle of nowhere traders. Again, the only thing slowing you down in the current system is the lack of a search function.
Okay, also the loading screens eats some time off of the hunt, but it is not a fault of this current system - I blame the engine for these loading screens.0 -
Cardhwion✭✭✭The current trade system is horrible.
* Encourages trade spam in zone chat
* Makes guild pride meaningless - everything is just a trade guild
* Encourages scams/ripoffs - hard to evaluate what items are really worth
* Have to endlessly port around to different zones just to try to find a simple item you're looking for
It's 2017 - we really need a global auction house like all MMOs.
Sorry to say, but WOW which has a global Auction House, has it's own trade chat channel and lots of advertising and spam going on there. So a global AH does not solve the wts/wtb spam.
Scams/Ripoffs - Master Merchant helps a lot to gauge pricing.
Porting around - to me that is part of the world feel. You don't get everything anywhere... you may have to travel because there's an excess of silks sold in Stormhaven."Why did I follow him...? I don't know. Why do things happen as they do in dreams? All I know is that, when he beckoned... I had to follow him. From that moment, we traveled together, East. Always... into the East."1 -
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Now imagine a global AH with the same interface. Feel much better paging through 1000's of screens until you get to the stuff you are interested in? At least I can go to certain traders that I know won't have crap loads of junk obscuring the "good stuff" (because they can't afford to list tons of stuff that won't sell). With an AH you are getting all that crap from EVERYONE dumped in one place for you to sort through. F that! The problem with most of (all?) the AH threads is that they assume a whole lot that all the problems with the current traders would be fixed in an AH - faulty logic! Instead, consider fixing all the problems with guild traders and then comparing that to the vision of an AH - and consider all the additional gameplay that guild traders provide (though you don't care because you don't like it, don't get it, and don't want it).
What makes you think that a well-developed auction house program would be build with the same code, functionality, and interface that the trade guilds currently have?
I can't see any developer using that trash program for anything that would be published in the future.
I'd jump at the chance of having a WoW-like auction house in this game. It has everything you need, except for one small problem, which is those lunatics listing a single item 50 times, and there are ways around that, too.
I spent 10 years in WoW, trading daily, and never had any issues. The search function was great, cheating, to my knowledge, was not possible, I always got my money and/or items I purchased. And the amount of time I spent daily in the auction house, compared to the trade guilds in this game, was minimal.
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✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »The system is very simple. If you are in good trader location, the system works well for you. Even better if you don't have to pay anything to be there.
If you are in an out of the way location, you'll barely sell anything and as such, should not like the system.
From the buyer's POV, the system is inconvenient. Hopping from one trader to the next is somewhat ridiculous, and there is no guarantee you will find what you are looking for.
Out of the way traders very rarely have anything of value.
Simple for someone that can only log in for 2 hours a day, really.
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In all honesty if you only play this game 2 hours a day, you will get next to nothing done, and achieve very little. I say that in a very kind way... however the reason for that is how long everything takes to do in this game.
Everything takes soooo long to do in this game. Just doing your writs alone and actually going to the waypoints to turn in the quests, and sorting all of the items you get from the writs.... all of that can take over an hour on 1 char. I don't know how, but it can.
One daily quest can take close to an hour, depending on the quest.
If you play 2 hours a day, I daresay you will be able to, in fact, play the game very little. I strive for 6 hours a day (sometimes can't do it), and I even wish I could play far more than that.
You lost me at writs taking one hour per character. I run about 16 toons through writs daily and it takes me about 2 hours if I am lazy.
You can realistically pre-make every alchemy and provisioning item required in stacks of 100-200. If you are using that toon only for writs, you can pre-make everything, only limited by inventory. If I am working against the clock, and wait until the end of the week to worry about inventory management, I can complete 6 writs per toon in about 3min each including relogs.
Of course, it takes longer on console because no Dulgobons, but not that much longer.
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MudcrabSammich✭✭✭As much as I really like this game, the trading system blows. I don't belong to a trading guild and finding one that treats you right is done, how? I don't want to commit to thousands of gold worth of sales per week, that becomes like a second job and I don't have hours and hours of time each day to play. When I played Guild Wars 2, their trading system wasn't perfect, but it sure is a ton better than what we have. I think its ridiculous and a waste of my valuable game time to go traipsing all over the map to find what I need.
ETA: And, like others have said, screen loading times, another waste of time, especially when it just hangs and hangs, necessitating a reboot of the game.Edited by MudcrabSammich on July 24, 2017 6:52PM1 -
rudimentxb14_ESO✭✭✭I didn't buy the game to port around looking at load screens nor do I enjoy sifting through pages upon pages of items with no real guarantee that what I want is even listed at the trader I'm at. I'm happy that you find enjoyment out of that, but the system is broken. You defend it because you are probably in capital city trading guilds. I get it, you want to maintain that buy low/sell high mentality. Good for you. 95% of the other players feel otherwise.
you do not speak for me or anyone else. I personally like it and the loading screens are very short for me. Perhaps invest in a SSDEdited by rudimentxb14_ESO on July 24, 2017 6:51PM2 -
MudcrabSammich✭✭✭rudimentxb14_ESO wrote: »I didn't buy the game to port around looking at load screens nor do I enjoy sifting through pages upon pages of items with no real guarantee that what I want is even listed at the trader I'm at. I'm happy that you find enjoyment out of that, but the system is broken. You defend it because you are probably in capital city trading guilds. I get it, you want to maintain that buy low/sell high mentality. Good for you. 95% of the other players feel otherwise.
you do not speak for me or anyone else. I personally like it and the loading screens are very short for me. Perhaps invest in a SSD
I have a SSD and it still takes too long. BTW, that doesn't apply to people on PS or Xbox, so what about them? It is a FLAWED system, admit it.2 -
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I agree. And to all those who complain how hard it is to bumble around Tamriel to find the best prices: Tamriel Trade Centre. Use it. I make some money out of buying cheap from remote traders and selling to capital city traders. But as there isn't much I need to buy, it's more of a "hobby".
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✭✭✭✭✭MudcrabSammich wrote: »rudimentxb14_ESO wrote: »I didn't buy the game to port around looking at load screens nor do I enjoy sifting through pages upon pages of items with no real guarantee that what I want is even listed at the trader I'm at. I'm happy that you find enjoyment out of that, but the system is broken. You defend it because you are probably in capital city trading guilds. I get it, you want to maintain that buy low/sell high mentality. Good for you. 95% of the other players feel otherwise.
you do not speak for me or anyone else. I personally like it and the loading screens are very short for me. Perhaps invest in a SSD
I have a SSD and it still takes too long. BTW, that doesn't apply to people on PS or Xbox, so what about them? It is a FLAWED system, admit it.
I don't know about xbox but you can certainly install ESO onto an SSD on PS4
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✭redshirt_49 wrote: »I like the idea behind the guild traders but not the reality.
Do you have any idea how much shady stuff those trading guilds are doing to secure their top places? Shadow guilds and shell guilds that screw other, lesser guilds out of trader spots. They form guild conglomerates all owned by larger mega-guilds to secure trader spots for nobody but themselves. Artificial inflation or deflation of certain item prices. Trying to suppress market supply and gaining monopoly by mass-buying certain items and making sure they're only offered at your trader at raised prices etc. etc. etc.
Sure, the average player is never going to notice ANY of this.
I'd simply want the system gone or at least revamped, so I don't walk through an entire area, talking to each trader to see if he has the item I want only to find that NONE of them do and I just wasted my time and when I finally do find it, it is horribly overpriced, since an inexperienced seller has no real way other than addons to guage what price he should sell an item at, whereas on a global market, you have NONE of these problems.
All items are immediately visible and available. Trader conglomerates couldn't hold monopolies so easily anymore. You won't be having as much trouble trying to find the item you want. Prices would probably be lower too, since regular Joes can get in on the trading and are generally far more willing to undersell their stuff for a quick sale.
The system as it is, is massively skewed towards the suppliers and even more so by making it nearly impossible for lesser guilds and small-time dudes looking to sell that rare item piece they got to actually have a chance of reaching a larger player-base since all the trader spots in the cities are nearly always held by these guild conglomerates.
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✭✭ZoS put forward several reasons for the guild trader system. One of those reasons was to prevent market manipulation and monopolies. Not in those words, but that's what was meant.
The guild trader system has completely failed at that purpose. In fact, most auction house monopolies are implemented by just a few people. The guild trader system results in organized cartels that often assist each other.
Bottom line, since the markets are controlled despite the guild trader system, I would just as soon not have to run around chasing my tail to find a reasonable price. Tamriel Trade Centre has helped quite a bit in that I can at least tell which guild traders often sell certain items at below market value so that I can just limit my trips to those traders.
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✭So i see it all the time here on the forums, people are constantly complaining about how there is no global action house, and i feel like i should say something.
I LOVE THE WAY GUILD TRADERS ARE IN THE GAME.
sure, having a global action house may be more convenient, but with the price of convenience there also come with it the negative effects that i would have, if there was a global action house would i have been able to buy 5 different alliance motifs for 10 gold each, pick up a stack or raw rubidite for 3 gold a pop? probably not! i make a killing in my trading guild by picking off these low priced items and then reselling them on a guild trader in a big city, i love the way it feels having to have your guild fight for a spot, and just traveling around to all the small traders in hopes that you can find a steal, or going through guild stores that don't have a trader to find that epicly priced item it just fun and exhilarating. It makes you feel like a master of the art of the deal when you pull this off. i just (personally) cant understand all the hate for the system. it makes you work, BIG DEAL! you put in the time, you come out with a metric-butt-ton of money, and who doesn't love money?
The only reason you enjoy it so much is because you happen to belong to a large trading guild that allows you to effectively sell your items for a profit. Not all of us are so lucky - especially players who play this game casually or who cannot commit to the requirements of a large guild. For these players - they are effectively shut out of the market entirely when it comes to trying to sell their wares.
But thank you for confirming basically everything I have said about the current system. Those who passionately defend it are usually those who are profiting off of it. So I hope you enjoy all that gold you are making by taking advantage of those smaller guilds desperately trying to sell their stuff. It certainly seems that you are.
There's plenty of large trading guilds with good locations that have very minimal requirements. 1000g a week in sales. This is nothing. This is a lazy hour of farming mats. This is one mediocre overland set drop. This is a handful of tripots or spell power potions.
I understand your argument, but in all honesty the only thing stopping you from partaking in the market, is you.
Right, it couldn't possibly be that there are only a limited amount of guild traders that allow players to effectively sell items - and of those they have weekly requirements players must meet else they will kick players. But It's all my fault of course. The Guild Trader system itself has nothing to do with it - and everyone on ESO actually has easy access to these prime selling locations if only that dastardly Jeremy would get out of everyone's way and allow them to do it.
Ready comprehension for the win. Let me reword it for you.
There are plenty of LARGE TRADING GUILDS in decent and even GOOD SPOTS with extremely LOW requirements. The only thing hindering you from participating in these guilds is your desire not to/lack of effort.
Not on PS4 NA there isn't.1
