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The warden - to be or not to be

Nerouyn
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So here's my dilemma.

I have 12 characters and am almost finally done with the damnable horse feeding business. I purchased 4 extra slots in anticipation of the long promised spellcrafting and its nature themed spells. Those characters have great nature themed names.

Horse feeding is one of the main reasons I always stop playing and why it's taken me years to finish. Its only redeeming feature is that it's finite.

Then instead of delivering spellcrafting and nature themed spells, ZO resurrect the warden class. IMO ESO shouldn't have classes at all, but warden would definitely have been my class of choice had it been there at launch. The only thing I can do to make ESO seem more like the classless game it should be is to only play one of them. I have a character of every class just for the sake of it, but don't play them.

Deleting characters isn't an option. At most that would then leave me with 2 warden characters and I'd have to pay for those slots on top of buying Morrowind. Buy a whole extra account? BLEEP off! Crown store purchases are account bound and to replace everything I've bought would cost an insane amount of money and isn't even immediately possible. Courtesy of limited time sales and those items only ever being made available again in gamble boxes at some later time, I wouldn't be able to replace them until some unknown time in the future and at incredible expense.

This is why I didn't buy Morrowind and why I'm now looking at the warden class and wondering if I might be better off just pretending it doesn't exist. I have five characters of the class I currently play and in all the races I want. Most haven't been played beyond levelling them (and for some crafting) to 50 but it wouldn't take me long to get them enough skill points to make them decent.

I would definitely prefer to play warden. Love the nature theme and design. I'd be much happier playing ESO as one. But the cost.... That's why I'm now leaning towards just making do with my current class and hoping ZO eventually deliver on spellcrafting.

This post is as an FYI because ZO seem to have trouble understanding how some of their design decisions really kick the game in the balls. Also, I'm going to make a constructive suggestion.

Reincarnation : Give players the option to instead of deleting a character, restart them with their current name and appearance, but let them choose a different class. Let them keep horse feeding, motifs, trait research. Possibly also event achievements which can't otherwise be obtained again. But they otherwise start the game afresh with no character or crafting levels.

And if you like this idea and consider implementing it or something like it, consider not charging players for it. Sometimes you make more money by charging less for stuff. Eg. this option might make Morrowind more appealing and net you more sales.
  • Orbital
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    nope
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  • SilverIce58
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    no tl;dr?
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    Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
    Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
    Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
    Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
    Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
    Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
    Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
    Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
    Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC
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    no tl;dr?

    He wants a class change.
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  • a1i3nz
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    Nerouyn wrote: »
    Horse feeding is one of the main reasons I always stop playing

  • SilverIce58
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    a1i3nz wrote: »
    Nerouyn wrote: »
    Horse feeding is one of the main reasons I always stop playing

    I mean, you don't HAVE to feed your horse(s). I've got 7 characters (sometimes 6, sometimes 8) and I've maybe fed the horses 5 times at most, altho my main has his fed at like 16 for stamina, and that's all
    PC - NA
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    Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
    Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
    Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
    Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
    Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
    Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
    Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
    Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
    Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC
  • Nerouyn
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    Typhoios wrote: »
    He wants a class change.

    Once upon a time I did. But at this point, as I explained, I'm resigned to just embracing one of the original four classes and making do. I might just play occasionally in preparation for spellcrafting, should it ever happen.

    I'm right now contemplating buying those last two slots (I have crowns to spare) and filling so I can knock warden right off the table.
    I mean, you don't HAVE to feed your horse(s).

    You kinda do though.

    Storage is critically short in this game. Every alt is more storage. Feeding horses is the cheapest way to expand that.

    You're also basically bait if you go into Cyrodiil without maxed speed and stamina. So the sensible thing to do is make all your characters ASAP and start feeding so six months down the track you can play them.
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    Again the "you don't have to" people everywhere. Seriosuly you dont have to even play ESO, but why should ZOS make their players suffer with everything they do or pay an insane amount of money. It very cheap and drives many players away. ZOS can still earn a lot of money from a larger audience if they make life easier.Unfortuantely their business model is make too much money out of few people over making less money per person from a larger player base
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    @Bigevilpeter

    Sadly true.

  • Keep_Door
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    Im pretty sure spell crafting was never "promised".
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    Honestly though... I'm not sure what the whole point of this thread is, it kind of strayed - BUT - to the original point of a warden class....

    I don't think their price tag on Morrowind is that* horrible.. It's very steep for an expansion, but I've enjoyed all of the content in the Vvardenfell, including the warden. It's also been fun to level up in a new area where the quests are well thought of, and entertaining to listen to; compared to running through bleakrock for the 9th time just spamming through the dialogue.

    If you think the warden is your class of choice, I'd definitely consider buying the Morrowind expansion - you'll get your moneys worth just out of the character class and leveling scenery I think.

    Just a filthy casuals 2 cents.
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    Keep_Door wrote: »
    Im pretty sure spell crafting was never "promised".

    It was announced at quakecon 2014 that it was coming, theres actual gameplay footage @ 53 minutes..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jk7LrLgRfg
    Edited by supaskrub on July 19, 2017 12:59PM
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    Keep_Door wrote: »
    Im pretty sure spell crafting was never "promised".

    It got shelved, or put on the backburner. Meaning it's not coming
    "Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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  • redshirt_49
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    Please no spellcrafting. The min-maxers will get their hands on it and come out with the most OP sh..skills... this side of Viper-land. You'll come out with 3-5 skills that are infinitely better than the alternatives and everybody will be advised to create and slot these "BiS" skills if you will....and at that point you don't have spellcrafting anymore. You have a new skill-line for everybody to cry nerf about.

    This does sound sooo great on paper, but loses its appeal when you start thinking about it for a while.
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    a1i3nz wrote: »
    Nerouyn wrote: »
    Horse feeding is one of the main reasons I always stop playing

    I mean, you don't HAVE to feed your horse(s). I've got 7 characters (sometimes 6, sometimes 8) and I've maybe fed the horses 5 times at most, altho my main has his fed at like 16 for stamina, and that's all

    It's a way bigger deal to feed your horses if you PvP unless you enjoy getting ganked off your horse.
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    You seem to specialise in filling your character slots with characters you don't want to play, yet you don't want to delete any of them or buy any more slots in order to play a class that would always have been your class of choice if it had existed at launch.

    Can you see where I'm going with this :smile: ? The ball's in your court, I'm afraid. No-one else can answer your question for you.
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    supaskrub wrote: »
    Keep_Door wrote: »
    Im pretty sure spell crafting was never "promised".

    It was announced at quakecon 2014 that it was coming, theres actual gameplay footage @ 53 minutes..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jk7LrLgRfg
    That's not a promise, not it was stated a date.
    Tryxus wrote: »
    Keep_Door wrote: »
    Im pretty sure spell crafting was never "promised".

    It got shelved, or put on the backburner. Meaning it's not coming
    They have recently tweet that it is still on development. My best guess is next chapter.

    About OP's issue just delete characters dude, why you care so much about the horse.
    Edited by SanTii.92 on July 19, 2017 2:50PM
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    I am not against class changes but I wouldn't use it.
    Edited by theher0not on July 19, 2017 3:08PM
  • Nerouyn
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    jkolb2030 wrote: »
    Honestly though... I'm not sure what the whole point of this thread is..

    That's crystal clear from your other comments.
    jkolb2030 wrote: »
    If you think the warden is your class of choice, I'd definitely consider buying the Morrowind expansion - you'll get your moneys worth just out of the character class and leveling scenery I think.

    That's my point though. It's not.

    I'm not deleting characters and all their horse training. I prefer to play only one class, so the game is more like the classless game it should be. At most that would then leave me with 2 playable characters and 12 mules. Also I wouldn't be able to have a warden in all the races I like.

    So all things considered it seems better just to make the most of the base class I currently play. I have 5 of those at max level and almost fully horse trained in the races I like. And I could fill my last two slots with a couple more.

    That's my point.
    Tryxus wrote: »
    It got shelved, or put on the backburner. Meaning it's not coming

    Yet they keep on promising it. This is from the game director last year.
    Okay. I guess the same thing could be said about spell crafting?

    Same thing. With spell crafting we actually got in enough to start seeing how it worked, we didn’t like the design so much and it was going to be more work than we thought to get it to launch so we kind of put it aside to do Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, One Tamriel, housing etc.

    But it will come eventually, it’s just further out.
    Tandor wrote: »
    You seem to specialise in filling your character slots with characters you don't want to play...

    ROFL
    Tandor wrote: »
    ...yet you don't want to delete any of them...

    As I made crystal clear in my OP I'd have no problem deleting them except for things like horse training being deleted with them.
    Tandor wrote: »
    ...or buy any more slots...

    Also crystal clear in my OP, I've already bought and filled most of them. At most I could buy two more and that in itself is added expense on top of buying Morrowind.
    SanTii.92 wrote: »
    About OP's issue just delete characters dude, why you care so much about the horse.

    Horse? Ha! Are you serious?

    As I explained very, very clearly in the OP...

    It's SIX BLEEPING MONTHS of having to log in every day just to click that button so I can expand my inventory and maybe take the character into Cyrodiil one day. I've already completed that grind with many characters. Took me years because that chore is one of the things which keeps driving me away from the game.

    Deleting it and doing it again. No.
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    Orc Stam Warden. Don't worry about mount training. I've yet to use my mount and I have no problems keeping up with my buddy with a 60% mount.

    Orc Racial - Swift Warrior:
    •Reduces Sprint cost by 12% and increases Sprint speed by 10%

    Falcon's Swiftness:
    Increase speed by 30% for 10 seconds.

    Bull Netch:
    Restored Stamina over 20 seconds

    Enchanted Growth:
    Increase Stamina & Magica recovery by 10% for 20 seconds.


    If you ever see a warden flying through town flapping his wings with a green betty behind him, that's me!!
    Edited by PlagueSD on July 19, 2017 11:45PM
  • Nerouyn
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    PlagueSD wrote: »
    Orc Stam Warden. Don't worry about mount training. I've yet to use my mount and I have no problems keeping up with my buddy with a 60% mount.

    Doesn't address my problem, at all.

    You also managed to hit on one of the few things I dislike about Wardens. Those wings look like ghostbustery angel wings. The rest of their visuals I like but for that ability I think they should have gone a different way.

    Never mind. Because of the problems I outlined I wouldn't buy Morrowind until it's heavily discounted and I'll probably go ahead and fill those slots with another class before then. That resolves my dilemma.
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