Gold sellers

eso_nya · July 2017

Darlgon wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Some time ago it was $60~$70 for mil. Now it's around $100~$110. What makes it go up?

I am.. kinda curious WHY you know WHAT the CURRENT price is AND what the OLD price was..

Go to google -> type in "eso gold" -> press enter. is not that hard.

Tandor · July 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

The developers should forget about the sellers and perma-ban the buyers, that's the most effective way of dealing with the issue. It's always in the sellers' interest to get back into the game so it's hard to get rid of them permanently. Besides, it's the buyers who are cheating and they should just be kicked and their account closed down. Once you remove the demand the sellers will soon be gone of their own accord.

As more and more online games pad their pockets with items/services sold in game for real money I doubt they want to permanently ban people who have shown they are willing to spend a lot of real money for online items.

I could see it being more of an issue if the game itself sold gold, like GW2.

Spending real money for online items is only of benefit to ZOS if it's their items that are being bought. They derive no benefit from someone buying gold from a third party and then using it for example to buy a manor house in the game rather than buying it with crowns from the store.

mb10 · July 2017

kylewwefan wrote: »

Some time ago it was $60~$70 for mil. Now it's around $100~$110. What makes it go up?

probably demand and supply but thats ridiculous

100 for 1m? I would have valued 1m at like 30 maximum but I had no idea this stuff even happens

All ZOS has to do is analyse mail and trades where there are large amounts traded for nothing I suppose.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2017

Tandor wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

The developers should forget about the sellers and perma-ban the buyers, that's the most effective way of dealing with the issue. It's always in the sellers' interest to get back into the game so it's hard to get rid of them permanently. Besides, it's the buyers who are cheating and they should just be kicked and their account closed down. Once you remove the demand the sellers will soon be gone of their own accord.

As more and more online games pad their pockets with items/services sold in game for real money I doubt they want to permanently ban people who have shown they are willing to spend a lot of real money for online items.

I could see it being more of an issue if the game itself sold gold, like GW2.

Spending real money for online items is only of benefit to ZOS if it's their items that are being bought. They derive no benefit from someone buying gold from a third party and then using it for example to buy a manor house in the game rather than buying it with crowns from the store.

So you are saying they are afraid people will spend 200-300 dollars to buy gold giving them the chance to get banned, rather then spend the 100 Dollars in game and get the manor house? Seems like a strange thing to worry about.

shalalaA7X · July 2017

Saw a different account spamming gold selling website in 3 different zone chats this morning. Craglorn, deshaan and grahtwood on na Xbox server this morning. It gets old seeing these post every few seconds in.

Meld777 · July 2017

On PC EU it's around 20$ for 1M. Even as low as 10$ if you buy from botters directly.

KingMagaw · July 2017

I dont know what figures someone used for $:Gold, but to stipulate these figures for ESO PC EU:

2 years ago ~$150/milli
1 year ago ~$50/milli
Now is </$15/milli

This is obviously not inflation, as inflation to gold would almost never happen in a game. Main 2 reasons why gold price devalues in ESO is less people buying it/playing and more people are botting to fill there personal account shortcomings.

The material dump that was documented recently was a big gold selling ring (Who botted many accounts for a decent period of time undetected by ZoS) liquidating there stock and moving from ESO. Since more casuals are following this example and botting ESO value has intrinsically fallen.

Now ask yourself why big gold sellers move from a 'growing' game? It is certainly not ZoS inaction and incompetence in dealing with exploiting in ESO. There has been an exodus of players from ESO when faced with are they willing to exploit to keep up.

LadyNalcarya · July 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

I dont know what figures someone used for $:Gold, but to stipulate these figures for ESO PC EU:

2 years ago ~$150/milli
1 year ago ~$50/milli
Now is </$15/milli

This is obviously not inflation, as inflation to gold would almost never happen in a game. Main 2 reasons why gold price devalues in ESO is less people buying it/playing and more people are botting to fill there personal account shortcomings.

The material dump that was documented recently was a big gold selling ring (Who botted many accounts for a decent period of time undetected by ZoS) liquidating there stock and moving from ESO. Since more casuals are following this example and botting ESO value has intrinsically fallen.

Now ask yourself why big gold sellers move from a 'growing' game? It is certainly not ZoS inaction and incompetence in dealing with exploiting in ESO. There has been an exodus of players from ESO when faced with are they willing to exploit to keep up.

Thats actually true. Many people I used to play with a year ago quit the game (thats especially noticeable after Morrowind patch - many people from my friend list stopped logging in a couple of months ago).

Anunakis · July 2017

bot numbers are growing , players just dumping eso for other mmos, now is albion online just released and again many players will drop eso , zenimax would be happy less players less energy servers would eat up if no one left except bots no one would complain on broken content

Tandor · July 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

The developers should forget about the sellers and perma-ban the buyers, that's the most effective way of dealing with the issue. It's always in the sellers' interest to get back into the game so it's hard to get rid of them permanently. Besides, it's the buyers who are cheating and they should just be kicked and their account closed down. Once you remove the demand the sellers will soon be gone of their own accord.

As more and more online games pad their pockets with items/services sold in game for real money I doubt they want to permanently ban people who have shown they are willing to spend a lot of real money for online items.

I could see it being more of an issue if the game itself sold gold, like GW2.

Spending real money for online items is only of benefit to ZOS if it's their items that are being bought. They derive no benefit from someone buying gold from a third party and then using it for example to buy a manor house in the game rather than buying it with crowns from the store.

So you are saying they are afraid people will spend 200-300 dollars to buy gold giving them the chance to get banned, rather then spend the 100 Dollars in game and get the manor house? Seems like a strange thing to worry about.

Those figures are completely out at least so far as one server is concerned, see the posts above. ZOS benefit from a manor house purchase with crowns but not from an ingame purchase with gold, and at current gold prices that will be a concern to them. Gold purchases with real money do nothing for a game except distort the economy and that is also a concern to any developer.

Asardes · July 2017

Since I started playing I was never out of gold and never had to farm items or materials specifically to sell them. I just sold some trash items to NPCs, deconstructed those of blue/purple quality for the temper and sometimes the style and sold some with good traits on guild stores. I recently started selling some surplus materials: low tier base ones from crafting writs, provisioning, some alchemy. My bank account grows by ~500K per week on average. If I actually put more time into farming stuff to sell or hunt bargains on marginal guild stores I could easily do 2-3M a week. But it would be boring. So why buy gold anyway when you make it without even trying to and there's so little to spend it on?

KingMagaw · July 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Since I started playing I was never out of gold and never had to farm items or materials specifically to sell them. I just sold some trash items to NPCs, deconstructed those of blue/purple quality for the temper and sometimes the style and sold some with good traits on guild stores. I recently started selling some surplus materials: low tier base ones from crafting writs, provisioning, some alchemy. My bank account grows by ~500K per week on average. If I actually put more time into farming stuff to sell or hunt bargains on marginal guild stores I could easily do 2-3M a week. But it would be boring. So why buy gold anyway when you make it without even trying to and there's so little to spend it on?

Your time spent in game to what you earn in game is obviously a ratio your happy with.

Now half your game time and your earnings get halved?. This equation doesn't halve equally as less playtime yes, but still want the same items, although less potions and such. Gold buying, to my understanding, has always been for players who have restricted playtime but don't want to be held back from playing with there friends/level.

It is my belief, that a few years ago, technology and coding and the average public was less knowledgeable than it is now on coding and botting/macros. So buying gold was more of an issue then. Now anyone just googles game and type of service, pay a subscription for a pre-made script (That most update as the game updates) and then leave your computer on at home thus cutting out gold sellers.

I am in no way being proactive on this stance just explaining the way i understand it. I would always discourage someone from buying gold in any game.

Anunakis · July 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Since I started playing I was never out of gold and never had to farm items or materials specifically to sell them. I just sold some trash items to NPCs, deconstructed those of blue/purple quality for the temper and sometimes the style and sold some with good traits on guild stores. I recently started selling some surplus materials: low tier base ones from crafting writs, provisioning, some alchemy. My bank account grows by ~500K per week on average. If I actually put more time into farming stuff to sell or hunt bargains on marginal guild stores I could easily do 2-3M a week. But it would be boring. So why buy gold anyway when you make it without even trying to and there's so little to spend it on?

few months back i used my gold to help my guildmates but when zos recognized me as gold seller and baned my account i stoped even selling anything on the market and still i have daily income around 100k just for selling crap to vendors or as rewards for crafting, in this game there is no point of having any amount of gold beyond bank/bakcpack upgrade, good guild always will help and boost guild member or help with geting bound sets

its sad real sellers are still around messing with game economy

Jitterbug · July 2017

Whats the point of buying gold to buy a necklace to get 30 more magicka?

LadyDestiny · July 2017

Noticed today on xbox that a gold selling company has one of the traders in Rawl'Kha. They have a total of nine items on the vender. I won't say the name of the guild, but it is the same guild name that had run a huge gold selling outfit on Swtor. They had low level bot farmers that would port in a zone just like in Eso, and farm all the nodes undeground. Spammed in chat all time and would send mails for their websites. The spammers in eso chat promoting gold websites are getting bad too.

Asardes · July 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

Whats the point of buying gold to buy a necklace to get 30 more magicka?

Especially when you can buy it with AP, which is even easier to make and harder to spend anywhere else.

Argah · July 2017

This is the developers fault, they could sell gold themselves but don't because they want people to stick around until hooked, also with any in game currency which can't be bought but swapped between accounts this will always happen since people gotta make a dollar and if this is where they can do there thing they will.

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

Tyrobag wrote: »

Gold sellers still exist? I haven't heard of them since they stopped being able to sell gold in game without being immediately banned.

Gold selling doesn't happen in-game. Google "eso gold seller".

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

I dont know what figures someone used for $:Gold, but to stipulate these figures for ESO PC EU:

2 years ago ~$150/milli
1 year ago ~$50/milli
Now is </$15/milli

This is obviously not inflation, as inflation to gold would almost never happen in a game. Main 2 reasons why gold price devalues in ESO is less people buying it/playing and more people are botting to fill there personal account shortcomings.

The material dump that was documented recently was a big gold selling ring (Who botted many accounts for a decent period of time undetected by ZoS) liquidating there stock and moving from ESO. Since more casuals are following this example and botting ESO value has intrinsically fallen.

Now ask yourself why big gold sellers move from a 'growing' game? It is certainly not ZoS inaction and incompetence in dealing with exploiting in ESO. There has been an exodus of players from ESO when faced with are they willing to exploit to keep up.

Gold sellers are leaving because either:

- There is too much competition (too many other gold sellers)
- ZOS is getting serious about banning botters, and so it isn't worth the effort to engage in this business anymore

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

This is the developers fault, they could sell gold themselves but don't because they want people to stick around until hooked, also with any in game currency which can't be bought but swapped between accounts this will always happen since people gotta make a dollar and if this is where they can do there thing they will.

You can buy gold with IRL money in GW2. GW2 still has illicit gold sellers, since they can always sell below the in-game exchange rate.

Argah · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

This is the developers fault, they could sell gold themselves but don't because they want people to stick around until hooked, also with any in game currency which can't be bought but swapped between accounts this will always happen since people gotta make a dollar and if this is where they can do there thing they will.

You can buy gold with IRL money in GW2. GW2 still has illicit gold sellers, since they can always sell below the in-game exchange rate.

Never played that but I would imagine most but legit since you won't get banned.

Amadis001 · July 2017

There's one particular gold seller on XBox who is really making a nuisance of himself, announcing his website in chat in Craglorn about 15 times an hour. I really wish ZOS would deal with this.

Madrr · July 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Since I started playing I was never out of gold and never had to farm items or materials specifically to sell them. I just sold some trash items to NPCs, deconstructed those of blue/purple quality for the temper and sometimes the style and sold some with good traits on guild stores. I recently started selling some surplus materials: low tier base ones from crafting writs, provisioning, some alchemy. My bank account grows by ~500K per week on average. If I actually put more time into farming stuff to sell or hunt bargains on marginal guild stores I could easily do 2-3M a week. But it would be boring. So why buy gold anyway when you make it without even trying to and there's so little to spend it on?

Your time spent in game to what you earn in game is obviously a ratio your happy with.

Now half your game time and your earnings get halved?. This equation doesn't halve equally as less playtime yes, but still want the same items, although less potions and such. Gold buying, to my understanding, has always been for players who have restricted playtime but don't want to be held back from playing with there friends/level.

It is my belief, that a few years ago, technology and coding and the average public was less knowledgeable than it is now on coding and botting/macros. So buying gold was more of an issue then. Now anyone just googles game and type of service, pay a subscription for a pre-made script (That most update as the game updates) and then leave your computer on at home thus cutting out gold sellers.

I am in no way being proactive on this stance just explaining the way i understand it. I would always discourage someone from buying gold in any game.

How far back is a few years ago? Cause games like wow and runescape were infested with gold sellers..

KingMagaw · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Gold sellers are leaving because either:

- There is too much competition (too many other gold sellers)
- ZOS is getting serious about banning botters, and so it isn't worth the effort to engage in this business anymore

I believe this is some kind of joke? The competition comes from normal players botting. As you can buy pre made and updated scripts as i mentioned above.

ZoS is getting serious about botters?. Really?. What factual information leads you to this conclusion? Everything i have witnessed over the last year, ZoS has encouraged exploiting with inaction and incompetent actions when taken. What serious steps have you seen from ZoS in this department?

KingMagaw · July 2017

klasdahlbergb16_ESO wrote: »

How far back is a few years ago? Cause games like wow and runescape were infested with gold sellers..

Personally i was first made aware of macro's and scripts ~15 years ago. Since then my experience has seen the average person's coding knowledge increase and more gifted coders around nowadays. How people share these scripts has become better and more efficient. Using random delays, queuing scripts emulates actual player behaviour that is basically circumvents detection software.

Either subscribing to an ever updated script/choice of scripts is the most basic and easy way. Subbing for 1 month then copying the script is slightly better. Learning and making your own is another step up. The botting and also the exploiting industry now caters for all, at a cost ofc )

That is why any game that takes botting seriously has in game GM's. To interject something into the suspected scripted path, whether its to force a duel and see it the scripted behaviour continues, force a speech dialogue, real time inspect the logs are all simple examples.

To reference a log of a professional botter and an actual player is a waste of time. Only way this action ever succeeds is to reference an account over xtime where the more time the more accurate results achieved and this information isn't analysed on delay and timing factors, it is referenced what the account did in that time.

Once again by no means am i encouraging botting or exploiting. Totally the opposite. Just pointing out what is happening right now and how to actually combat it.
OR
We could listen to the community ambassadors and place our head in the sand and say nothing bad is going on in ESO until another player flies around Cyrodill with infinite meteors and then its too late.

Rahotu · July 2017

i'm unsure how ESO works,but the general model for mmo's goes something like this 'goldsellers infest a game,game contacts goldsellers and a deal is struck 'you don't annoy/advertise in game we let you farm gold and take a cut',the dumbest of the dumb goldbuyers get a ban,the game moves on a little more peacefully

qsnoopyjr · July 2017

You worried about Gold Sellers?

Boy, the stuff you buy is already cheap. The only not so cheap stuff are consumables. Which do little to nothing but fill ego.

This isnt like WoW or EQ, where there was actually weapons and armor worth buying and saving up for in the game.

This game, do content repeatedly in order to get stuff that gives you just a tad bit more advantage.

Asardes · July 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

You worried about Gold Sellers?

Boy, the stuff you buy is already cheap. The only not so cheap stuff are consumables. Which do little to nothing but fill ego.

This isnt like WoW or EQ, where there was actually weapons and armor worth buying and saving up for in the game.

This game, do content repeatedly in order to get stuff that gives you just a tad bit more advantage.

That's probably one of the reasons devs decided to keep most of the strongest sets as BoP. You can buy monster sets from the Cyrodiil vendor for gold, but you have to wait a lot until what you need comes in the shop. This way they discourage gold buying: even if you buy a few millions you still can't buy much with them in the long run.

zaria · July 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

I dont know what figures someone used for $:Gold, but to stipulate these figures for ESO PC EU:

2 years ago ~$150/milli
1 year ago ~$50/milli
Now is </$15/milli

This is obviously not inflation, as inflation to gold would almost never happen in a game. Main 2 reasons why gold price devalues in ESO is less people buying it/playing and more people are botting to fill there personal account shortcomings.

The material dump that was documented recently was a big gold selling ring (Who botted many accounts for a decent period of time undetected by ZoS) liquidating there stock and moving from ESO. Since more casuals are following this example and botting ESO value has intrinsically fallen.

Now ask yourself why big gold sellers move from a 'growing' game? It is certainly not ZoS inaction and incompetence in dealing with exploiting in ESO. There has been an exodus of players from ESO when faced with are they willing to exploit to keep up.

Just googled, PC-EU is around $40/ mill
Debunking the hyper inflation idea if price was $50/ mill one year ago.

Next.

zaria · July 2017

Rahotu wrote: »

i'm unsure how ESO works,but the general model for mmo's goes something like this 'goldsellers infest a game,game contacts goldsellers and a deal is struck 'you don't annoy/advertise in game we let you farm gold and take a cut',the dumbest of the dumb goldbuyers get a ban,the game moves on a little more peacefully

I think most of the gold sold is from players, we don't have the goldfarmer bots around anymore, anybody remember after launch packs of identical characters with idiot names running around.
was hundreds in coldharbor city.
This also explains the fairly high price for gold. Think its cheaper to buy an expensive house for crowns rather than buy gold for it.