andreasranasen wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

I am in the same guild, and actually saw you post in guild chat about this last night. I did the same 3 or so weeks ago when the announcement that the fees were increasing. Me and a few others spoke out about it, and soon after the white knights in the guild started defending this.

They claim it is due to increased costs of winning the trader bids in capital cities. The problem I see with that is that I'm in other trading guilds that continue to get a capital city trader at 10k/week, and have less members. I'm leaving after this week. 15k/week is not justifiable, and one the best, long running trading guilds on PS4 NA seems to be doing something a little fishy behind the scenes if you ask me.

Thank you!! Happy to hear others are annoyed by this as well. I was in the guild for 2+ years and have sold well over 3000 Alloys in that guild since I joined (ex crazy rubedite farmer). I have enough money to pay for fees. But 15k/week is absurd in my opinion.

I did receive a salty message from GM last night after I posted this. I don't care. I will call someone out when I see it. Enough with the scamming.

Is it scamming if they are telling you what the fee is, and then allowing you to sell if you pay it?

You may not like what is happening, but please, it's not a scam. That word is used way too often. It is high, but whether or not it is ridiculous is pretty subjective.

I'm in both Aldmeri Dominion and BATS. I pay the $15k/week and also saw your crying last night. I know that we've kept our traders lately, but I believe that many guilds have begun to try and compete against AD and BATS hence the bids going up in Mournhold. I complained also when dues went from $5k to $10k. What I started doing was keeping 100k gold in my personal wallet, paying dues for the week, and then seeing where I ended up at the end of the week. I make about 5-10 times my dues per week. Sales tax is 4% - this means I contribute at least the following per week to both guilds:

6k / week in taxes and 15k / week in dues - 21k gold per week in fees to the guild. If all 500 members do this, the guild would produce at least 10 million gold per week. I'm pretty sure the bids are now up to around 7 million gold a week, and if you will notice above, most guild leaders are mentioning that of the 500 people who join a trading guild, many don't actually trade enough or actually pay dues consistently. Thus, I feel like if bids are hitting the 7 million gold number it's reasonable to expect a 15k/week due.

GoodFella146 seems pretty intent on having a great trading guild and doesn't appear to be a greedy pos. The same applies to Kristavegas. I believe part of the problem is that we have people joining the guild willing to pay the 15k who don't actually stock the store, thus we never have enough *** for sales, so people visit our stalls less. My sales have gone down a little bit over the past couple weeks. Prices on greens / blue gear are dropping to 500g - 1kg per item. Purples only selling for 3-5kg. Of course rare *** still sells at top prices. But, I have noticed that many people are not stocking the store with reasonably priced goods.

I am one of the members in BAT and let me tell you, 15k a week is nothing to pay considering we get a prime trader every week. I used to be a member of Aldmeri Nation, but had to take a break due to life being hectic and I just haven't had the need to rejoin yet.

My first day back I joined BAT again, paid 60k fees for the month, posted my items for sale and literally within 48 hours I had already made close to 300k off selling on this one vendor alone.

If you can't afford the fees then you don't need a prime vendor to start with as you're not selling like you should be. The bids on these vendors are insane and keep being driven up by other large trading guilds, some of which that buy gold.

I'm not saying I enjoy 15k a week, but it is what it is and it's a small price to pay for me. If you cant make 20k in sales a week, you should be using a lesser free trader anyway.

Don't like it, leave. There are plenty of people like me that will gladly pay 1% of my earnings to keep reaping 99% profit.

Still have weeks to go before I have to repay my fees and I've made over a million gold. 60k a month in fees = millions in profit a month... no math genius but...... I'm still winning.

Edit

Also I don't think the BAT GM pockets money for herself from the guild bank.... Even if she does, I would completely understand, she works hard to keep the guild running, ensuring prime vendor spots each week and managing the guild. It's a full time job, time she could be using to make money in game for herself, so if she does take anything, it's just what she's owed for keeping us one of the best trading guilds on PS/NA.

Also this includes Aldermi Nation, don't think he pockets the money either but if he does, so be it. These people spend a lot of their time running these guilds for no reward other than saying they're the GM which sometimes causes problems for them either from whining cry babies like the people in this forum complaining about paying a measly 15k a week. Sell properly and you should make 15k an hour, it's not hard, just try it and stop complaining.

Yeah I'm having a hard time buying that GF or Krista are stealing money. I hope they see this thread and reply to this crap.

Does Tamriel Trade Center work for PS4? I don't think it does.

andreasranasen wrote: »

These GM's have turned into Zenimax with their weekly dues milking their members.

Don't join them?

As more guilds have more and more money to use the price of traders are just naturally going to go up.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

What if that Guild that you pay 15K/week loses the trader in the best city? Because you could be right saying you pay for that service. Once that service (top spot) is not provided anymore... refund? I don't think so.

Has anyone here ever been refund by a Guild for losing their trader in the best spot?

I don't like the attitude of charging me for a service:

• You can't guarantee.
• I already pay for with the cut of each thing I sell.

If you want gold do some smart fund raising.

Then don't join. The solution is that simple.

So what if they get a cut from what you sell? There is no automated way on console to tally that up individually. The dues are needed to bridge the gap between the collected % that goes to the guild for sales and the amount needed for a bid. And you aren't paying for the location. You are paying to be a member of the guild. They will try their best to maintain that location. If you can't handle disappointment when they get outbid, stick to selling in zone or crappy locations.

If you want to join the guild, than it isn't all about you and your needs. It is also about the guild's needs. If all you care about is how you feel you are being catered to, go join a guild desperate for members.

People need to clarify if they are PC or console when making comments. Completely different environments.

geonsocal wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

I did receive a salty message from GM last night after I posted this. I don't care. I will call someone out when I see it. Enough with the scamming.

yeah, I can kinda see how miss Krista might have taken a bit of offense at being called a greedy muthafucka

kind of like I personally don't believe most guild masters are scamming members - I also didn't really take your thread andreas as being a true personal attack against that particular individual...

I figure some swedish folks are sorta like new yorkers and some pvpers when it comes to looking at things - shoot first, ask questions later

I've read this thread mostly as, like the title states, wtf is going on with some of the increased guild fees...

no doubt though it's a very touchy subject for someone whom is in the postion to have to ask others to kick in more to keep things moving along...

personally - seems like a prolonged, no lube, prostrate exam would be preferrable to trying to manage a guild...

I laughed so hard reading this

MalagenR wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

I did receive a salty message from GM last night after I posted this. I don't care. I will call someone out when I see it. Enough with the scamming.

yeah, I can kinda see how miss Krista might have taken a bit of offense at being called a greedy muthafucka

kind of like I personally don't believe most guild masters are scamming members - I also didn't really take your thread andreas as being a true personal attack against that particular individual...

I figure some swedish folks are sorta like new yorkers and some pvpers when it comes to looking at things - shoot first, ask questions later

I've read this thread mostly as, like the title states, wtf is going on with some of the increased guild fees...

no doubt though it's a very touchy subject for someone whom is in the postion to have to ask others to kick in more to keep things moving along...

personally - seems like a prolonged, no lube, prostrate exam would be preferrable to trying to manage a guild...

I laughed so hard reading this

Have you been able to find a better guild that doesn't charge 15kg per week? I'd join it and pay the dues if it maintains a trader in main selling locations and requires less dues.

Yes i have! Through this thread actually. Found one in Rawlkah and one in Mournhold for 10k/week.

andreasranasen wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

I did receive a salty message from GM last night after I posted this. I don't care. I will call someone out when I see it. Enough with the scamming.

yeah, I can kinda see how miss Krista might have taken a bit of offense at being called a greedy muthafucka

kind of like I personally don't believe most guild masters are scamming members - I also didn't really take your thread andreas as being a true personal attack against that particular individual...

I figure some swedish folks are sorta like new yorkers and some pvpers when it comes to looking at things - shoot first, ask questions later

I've read this thread mostly as, like the title states, wtf is going on with some of the increased guild fees...

no doubt though it's a very touchy subject for someone whom is in the postion to have to ask others to kick in more to keep things moving along...

personally - seems like a prolonged, no lube, prostrate exam would be preferrable to trying to manage a guild...

I laughed so hard reading this

Have you been able to find a better guild that doesn't charge 15kg per week? I'd join it and pay the dues if it maintains a trader in main selling locations and requires less dues.

Yes i have! Through this thread actually. Found one in Rawlkah and one in Mournhold for 10k/week.

Who do I contact to join? Send me some PM's bruh

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Should be no more than 5k. 15k is being too greedy. That said, if people think trading guilds should be free, then they shouldn't go expecting Mournhold, front crag etc. Still amazed at the amount of people who think taxes etc cover the required 3-6m required to get these places on console. I have no idea what the prices are like on PC, so that may be a different story. If guilds charge nothing and they're getting these traders, then it's safe to say it's the GM pumping all that gold in and making a loss.

I've never been in a guild that requires dues on PC, and I'm in Rawl'kha, Mournhold, and Belkarth.

Maybe it's a console thing, but the cut from sales should be more than enough to cover the bidding costs.

It should be.....but it isn't, on any platform, as far as I'm aware.

In order to cover the going bid for a trader in a major hub on PC/NA from TAXES ALONE, the guild AS A WHOLE would need to sell well OVER 200 MILLION in goods every week. And that's a lowball bid in some areas, which leaves the guild vulnerable to losing the bid.























Let that sink in for a second.

There is even more than 15k/week at PC EU.
This is mostly guilds, that ~ always sitting on the gold spots (like Belkath etc). That spots costs a LOT, so guild need to have good taxes from traders.

I see nothing bad in this: wanna good sales? Then sell good stuff for lower prices. Sell a lot I mean.

If all you have is *** stuff - there is enough number of trade guilds without weekly mins at all. Not at good spots tho...

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

sylviermoone wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Should be no more than 5k. 15k is being too greedy. That said, if people think trading guilds should be free, then they shouldn't go expecting Mournhold, front crag etc. Still amazed at the amount of people who think taxes etc cover the required 3-6m required to get these places on console. I have no idea what the prices are like on PC, so that may be a different story. If guilds charge nothing and they're getting these traders, then it's safe to say it's the GM pumping all that gold in and making a loss.

I've never been in a guild that requires dues on PC, and I'm in Rawl'kha, Mournhold, and Belkarth.

Maybe it's a console thing, but the cut from sales should be more than enough to cover the bidding costs.

It should be.....but it isn't, on any platform, as far as I'm aware.

In order to cover the going bid for a trader in a major hub on PC/NA from TAXES ALONE, the guild AS A WHOLE would need to sell well OVER 200 MILLION in goods every week. And that's a lowball bid in some areas, which leaves the guild vulnerable to losing the bid.

Nonsense. All of my guilds have held their traders for 6-12+ months, in the most competitive spots.

I've never heard of a single trading guild that requires dues on PC (and I have friends in a lot of top trading guilds, in addition to the ones I'm in). Sales + optional raffle tickets are more than enough to cover bidding prices.

If you're going in for a 100% secure bid every time, you're probably over-bidding. There aren't many guilds that can take your spot.

I did not say anything about guilds requiring dues on PC/NA. I did say that I understand why, given the lack of addons, that Trade Guilds on console would require this.

Sales plus optional raffles AREN'T always enough to cover bids. Thing is, you AS A MEMBER, probably wouldn't know if your GM was shoveling their own resources in to cover the shortage. And if you want to run a successful guild, you better find that gold when there's a shortage.

Right now, kiosks in major hubs are going for well over 5 million. Let's do the math, shall we? Guilds collect 3.5% of sales in taxes. If you're planning to collect 5 million gold in SALES TAXES ALONE, your guild needs to sell 143 MILLION gold in items (5,000,000 / .035 = 142,857,142.88). A 5 million gold bid represents a burden of 10K per member (5,000,000 / 500 = 10,000).

During Morrowind release, my guild LOST a kiosk with a bid of 14 million gold. In order to cover that kind of bid through sales taxes alone, the guild would need to sell 400 MILLION gold in merchandise (14,000,000 / .035 = 400,000,000).

Truth is, there is NO bid that is 100% secure. Anyone can lose on any given Sunday.