Khajiit Passives Buff/Change Request

eirinnpryderi · July 2017

To @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom (since I don't know who else from ZOS i could address this concern)

I believe the Khajiit should have at least a buff of 3-5% Max Stamina added to their passives, since its a race that always had Sustain Issues (guessing it was intended for a race for Expert Players), but since Patch 14 its been underperforming terribly as Stamina DPS and Tank...it runs out of Stamina too quickly compared to other races

As Dragonknight Tank with my Khajiit, before Patch 14 I was doing fine even in trials, now having serious issues and mostly have to rely on One Hand and Shield Ultimate to restore stamina when i get low on it, which is pretty often

As Dragonknight Stamina DPS before Homestead I was doing really good dps (around 25k) despite my horrible rotation, After it and before Patch 14 my DPS went down but still didnt have lot of issues, as from Update 14 my DSP basically halved and I run out of Stamina a lot even with the recovery and heavy attack passives (forgot the names) in CP tree at 14% each... and 0 Health 0 Magicka 64 Stamina atribute spread, even at those Attributes, it has very low Stamina with most gear setups and awful survability.

And as far Im concerned, my case is not the only one, other people I know have similar issues with Khajiit characters, even the ones who are basically Ace Players. (Unlike myself who still can't beat vet Maelstrom arena with my Khajiit STA DK)

So I ask to buff Khajiit race passives for Update 15, not asking to make it like best race ever or so, but to at least balance it to perform similar to other Stamina passive favored races.

GiuEliN0 · July 2017

They already tried it.
It was TOOOOOOOOOOOOO overpowered so revert back the changes.
If khajiit get max stam u have to tone down the critical passive

InFernalEntity · July 2017

They tried with a 6% stam increase though (if i remember correctly). A minor increase like 2 or 3% could be a huge improvement without monumental damage increases. Especially considering that the max Khajiit stam without mundus or food is roughly 28/29k I think. A 3% bonus would allow Khajiit to have roughly a 35k stam pool (with buffs) in medium armor.

28k with 64 points in stam and 7 stam enchantments, stam jewellery and Agility jewellery.
5.4k with food.
=33.5k. + 335×3 (3% bonus) = 34.5k give or take depending on sets and mundus.

Bosmer get a 6% stamina boost with a 21% stam recovery and the same stealth passive Khajiit get and no one bats an eye. (Not that they're overpowered but crit chance only works for crit builds, whereas sustain and stat buffs help any build)

Khajiit get 20% health recovery (health recovery is average at best) and 10% stam recovery.
8% crit.
And a stealth damage bonus.

If they're gonna cut anything...cut the health recovery and give a very minor stamina buff. 2-3% tops. Either that or give 15% stam recovery and 15% health recovery to give Khajiit a little more sustain.

The race isn't bad but it is the only race in the game without a % stat buff so there's that...

Edit: Added rough maths.

Toc de Malsvi · July 2017

InFernalEntity wrote: »

They tried with a 6% stam increase though (if i remember correctly). A minor increase like 2 or 3% could be a huge improvement without monumental damage increases. Especially considering that the max Khajiit stam without mundus or food is roughly 28/29k I think. A 3% bonus would allow Khajiit to have roughly a 35k stam pool (with buffs) in medium armor.

28k with 64 points in stam and 7 stam enchantments, stam jewellery and Agility jewellery.
5.4k with food.
=33.5k. + 335×3 (3% bonus) = 34.5k give or take depending on sets and mundus.

Bosmer get a 6% stamina boost with a 21% stam recovery and the same stealth passive Khajiit get and no one bats an eye. (Not that they're overpowered but crit chance only works for crit builds, whereas sustain and stat buffs help any build)

Khajiit get 20% health recovery (health recovery is average at best) and 10% stam recovery.
8% crit.
And a stealth damage bonus.

If they're gonna cut anything...cut the health recovery and give a very minor stamina buff. 2-3% tops. Either that or give 15% stam recovery and 15% health recovery to give Khajiit a little more sustain.

The race isn't bad but it is the only race in the game without a % stat buff so there's that...

Edit: Added rough maths.

It's also the only race in the game with a crit buff...

Khajit are perfectly fine.

ArgonianAustin · July 2017

I agree, khajiits needs a stat buff like 3% max Stam, my argonian stamblade performs better than my twin brothers khajiit stamblade and we have the same build and skill level.

eirinnpryderi · July 2017

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

I agree, khajiits needs a stat buff like 3% max Stam, my argonian stamblade performs better than my twin brothers khajiit stamblade and we have the same build and skill level.

Yeah 3% Max STA should be enough to not make them OP I agree is the only race with a Crit Buff passive but, that doesnt matter if you run out of STA everytime

Grimhallow · July 2017

I thought this was going to be a post about the fall damage passive that wood elves get instead of the LITERAL CATS.

eirinnpryderi · July 2017

Grimick wrote: »

I thought this was going to be a post about the fall damage passive that wood elves get instead of the LITERAL CATS.

XD Well that could be true as well but...since is not really a useful passive or a main TES game

altemriel · July 2017

this one khajiit thinks, that khajiits should have max stamina or max magicka buff

with the buff of the buff
Maoimii

Gan Xing · July 2017

altemriel wrote: »

this one khajiit thinks, that khajiits should have max stamina or max magicka buff

with the buff of the buff
Maoimii

Dunmer already have the max magicka + max stam buff, so unfortunately, Khajiit cant have the same buff.

Xvorg · July 2017

Gan Xing wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

this one khajiit thinks, that khajiits should have max stamina or max magicka buff

with the buff of the buff
Maoimii

Dunmer already have the max magicka + max stam buff, so unfortunately, Khajiit cant have the same buff.

That's because the crit buff is strong enough

Khajiit don't need max stam when the can build towards crits. Any decent DoT build can do perfectly fine. Consider that extra wpn crit implies more crit heal through vigor/Rally/Bloodthirst and blood craze

eirinnpryderi · July 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

Gan Xing wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

this one khajiit thinks, that khajiits should have max stamina or max magicka buff

with the buff of the buff
Maoimii

Dunmer already have the max magicka + max stam buff, so unfortunately, Khajiit cant have the same buff.

That's because the crit buff is strong enough

Khajiit don't need max stam when the can build towards crits. Any decent DoT build can do perfectly fine. Consider that extra wpn crit implies more crit heal through vigor/Rally/Bloodthirst and blood craze

Yet in places like veteran maelstrom arena they get out of resources too fast

Brutusmax1mus · July 2017

I wish it wss spells too

Izaki · July 2017

How do you even manage to run out of stamina on a stam DK? Khajiit or High Elf, it just doesn't happen.

Agree for a 3% max stamina buff though.

Gan Xing · July 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

Gan Xing wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

this one khajiit thinks, that khajiits should have max stamina or max magicka buff

with the buff of the buff
Maoimii

Dunmer already have the max magicka + max stam buff, so unfortunately, Khajiit cant have the same buff.

That's because the crit buff is strong enough

Khajiit don't need max stam when the can build towards crits. Any decent DoT build can do perfectly fine. Consider that extra wpn crit implies more crit heal through vigor/Rally/Bloodthirst and blood craze

Even so, that crit passive is for weapon crit, not spell crit. So Khajiit mages/ hybrids will have issues.

SodanTok · July 2017

eirinnpryderi wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Gan Xing wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

this one khajiit thinks, that khajiits should have max stamina or max magicka buff

with the buff of the buff
Maoimii

Dunmer already have the max magicka + max stam buff, so unfortunately, Khajiit cant have the same buff.

That's because the crit buff is strong enough

Khajiit don't need max stam when the can build towards crits. Any decent DoT build can do perfectly fine. Consider that extra wpn crit implies more crit heal through vigor/Rally/Bloodthirst and blood craze

Yet in places like veteran maelstrom arena they get out of resources too fast

3% max stam is ~900 more stamina. That wont help you one bit if you have resource problems on khajiit.

Gan Xing · July 2017

yea, you gotta start using those heavy attacks more

ArgonianAustin · July 2017

SodanTok wrote: »

eirinnpryderi wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Gan Xing wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

this one khajiit thinks, that khajiits should have max stamina or max magicka buff

with the buff of the buff
Maoimii

Dunmer already have the max magicka + max stam buff, so unfortunately, Khajiit cant have the same buff.

That's because the crit buff is strong enough

Khajiit don't need max stam when the can build towards crits. Any decent DoT build can do perfectly fine. Consider that extra wpn crit implies more crit heal through vigor/Rally/Bloodthirst and blood craze

Yet in places like veteran maelstrom arena they get out of resources too fast

3% max stam is ~900 more stamina. That wont help you one bit if you have resource problems on khajiit.

Thats if you have a 30k max stam pool. But that 3% would also scale with undaunted and other boosts so it would be about 1200 with a 30k max. With the build I and my brother uses, we focus on a 30k stam pool then put the rest into health. That 1200 stam could be turned into something like more health and my brother's poor health is so small compared to my beast argonian 9%. 3% stam would be excellent for our build that is.

khele23eb17_ESO · July 2017

Whatever % stam you give them, youd need to take it away from the crit % bonus.

SodanTok · July 2017

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

eirinnpryderi wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Gan Xing wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

this one khajiit thinks, that khajiits should have max stamina or max magicka buff

with the buff of the buff
Maoimii

Dunmer already have the max magicka + max stam buff, so unfortunately, Khajiit cant have the same buff.

That's because the crit buff is strong enough

Khajiit don't need max stam when the can build towards crits. Any decent DoT build can do perfectly fine. Consider that extra wpn crit implies more crit heal through vigor/Rally/Bloodthirst and blood craze

Yet in places like veteran maelstrom arena they get out of resources too fast

3% max stam is ~900 more stamina. That wont help you one bit if you have resource problems on khajiit.

Thats if you have a 30k max stam pool. But that 3% would also scale with undaunted and other boosts so it would be about 1200 with a 30k max. With the build I and my brother uses, we focus on a 30k stam pool then put the rest into health. That 1200 stam could be turned into something like more health and my brother's poor health is so small compared to my beast argonian 9%. 3% stam would be excellent for our build that is.

I may be wrong, but I am 80% sure it is 3% of either base or CP buffed stats. It is not multiplicative with other bonuses like Undaunted passive.

If you lack health, get more. You get crit, that is damage. Meaning you can get health by sacrificing damage. If you swap stamina enchant on armor to health, khajiit will even lose less stamina than for example bosmer, because they dont have the passive :P

Basically, Khajiit after next patch will have passive that is almost like Thief Mundus stone. You would need 33000 stamina (nearly maximum possible amount) to get one mundus worth of stamina with 6%. I dont have to tell you how good deal you are getting already.

But if you still feel bad about Khajiit, I would recommend turning your focus to the Stealthy passive. It wastes slot on both bosmer and khajiit while offering nothing to anyone outside of one playstyle (ganking) in one mode (pvp)

Bobby_V_Rockit · July 2017

Its fiiiiiine, axe the stealth bonus and gimme stamna but.