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eso inspect gear
dustin17m
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We need to be able to inspect each others gear. This creates elitism. Some want the element of elitism and some do not. To prove my point that it is beneficial to the game, just look at the social class system. We have poor people, middle class people, and rich people. By having this class structure, we strive to better ourselves. We have no way of knowing if we are keeping up with the joneses by keeping gear private. If people enjoy being poor then that is their prerogative and they can mingle within their class. In conclusion, Elitism spawns from the ability to inspect players gear. Elitism is a mechanic that is desperately needed in this game even more so than an auction house.
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Edited by [Deleted User] on July 17, 2017 12:43AM [Edit to remove political reference]
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Malic✭✭✭✭✭
✭We need to be able to inspect each others gear. This creates elitism. Some want the element of elitism and some do not. To prove my point that it is beneficial to the game, just look at the social class system. We have poor people, middle class people, and rich people. By having this class structure, we strive to better ourselves. We have no way of knowing if we are keeping up with the joneses by keeping gear private. If people enjoy being poor then that is their prerogative and they can mingle within their class. In conclusion, Elitism spawns from the ability to inspect players gear. Elitism is a mechanic that is desperately needed in this game even more so than an auction house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KtYwWsVKU4 Edited by [Deleted User] on July 17, 2017 12:43AM21 -
Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm actually fine with an inspect gear option, but your argument for it might be the dumbest argument I've ever heard for its implementation.PC/EU DC44 -
dustin17m✭✭I admit, the way I worded that was a little poor but what I was trying to say is basically we need to have that class structure where you have the elite guys, the guys who are in the middle somewhere, and those who just plain suck at life and should be booted. I dont know about you but I think its funny when someone gets in over their head and ends up getting booted. Makes me chuckle.1
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If they bring inspect gear in I want an Auction house too, if your copying WoW one way you should copy it the next thanks.6 -
dustin17m✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »If they bring inspect gear in I want an Auction house too, if your copying WoW one way you should copy it the next thanks.
Kyle that last part didn't make any sense. Could you clarify?
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »If they bring inspect gear in I want an Auction house too, if your copying WoW one way you should copy it the next thanks.
Kyle that last part didn't make any sense. Could you clarify?
Wasn't it WoW that allowed you to inspect gear of others before any other mmo?0 -
dustin17m✭✭Oh I see what you mean Kyle. I guess Damianos would know better, I never played Everquest.0
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bareheiny✭✭✭✭✭yeah....nah.
Gear inspection leads to the DCUO Paradox paradox.
In ESO terms, we'd end up in a position of "Oh...you want to run White Gold Tower? Wait, you don't have SPC gear. No. No WGT run for you. Come back when you have SPC gear."
edit: for those who have not played DUCO, when the Origin Crisis DLC launched, the hardest raid at the time (and for some time after) was Paradox Wave. Soon after it launched (and again...for some time after), a good number of groups refused to run it with anybody who had not completed it. Essentially, you had to have completed Paradox Wave before you were allowed to join a group for Paradox Wave.Edited by bareheiny on July 17, 2017 12:25AM16 -
Wolfenbelle✭✭✭✭✭If ZOS ever made it possible for players to inspect other players gear, I'd never play in a group again. Or I'd quit the game. "Elite" is another word for snob.
Don't know about you, but I'm in this game for fun and relaxation. I most definitely do not want to deal with gaming snobs.33 -
Wolfenbelle✭✭✭✭✭I admit, the way I worded that was a little poor but what I was trying to say is basically we need to have that class structure where you have the elite guys, the guys who are in the middle somewhere, and those who just plain suck at life and should be booted. I don't know about you but I think its funny when someone gets in over their head and ends up getting booted. Makes me chuckle.
In other words, you're a mean [blank for word I can't use] and proud of it. Or you're a troll. Or both.11 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I admit, the way I worded that was a little poor but what I was trying to say is basically we need to have that class structure where you have the elite guys, the guys who are in the middle somewhere, and those who just plain suck at life and should be booted. I dont know about you but I think its funny when someone gets in over their head and ends up getting booted. Makes me chuckle.
So basically you want another way to shun people so you get a smooth run and it's not about helping those with lesser gear. I've never had a problem asking someone who is getting better results than I am what gear they are running. Most are actually happy that you recognize their success and eager to share how they do it with you. There are some in PvP that are not quite so eager but that us somewhat understandable.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."7 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I do not support player inspection in ESO. In my experience, inspection makes a game community more toxic. I don't give 2 figs what OP or any other random thinks of my build. It works for me, and it works for my guild groups. It's a regular part of conversation with the few people who's opinion I value.
And I don't usually care about anybody else's build either. If none of my guilds are doing anything, I run with pledge pugs, multiple times a day with different groups. Working with sub-optimal groups has made me a better, more adaptive player. And I'd like to think that I've helped others improve as well. The improvement seldom has anything to do with gear, but skill rotation, positioning, combat awareness, and mechanics. Things they would never get an opportunity to learn if they were kicked because of player inspection.
Also, trying to equate gear inspection with the "benefit" of differing socioeconomic classes is pathetic.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche12 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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Add the problem that WOW has an very linear gear setup, one class and role have one set of gear.Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »If they bring inspect gear in I want an Auction house too, if your copying WoW one way you should copy it the next thanks.
It has sets but not the 20 relevant sets we have in ESO
In practice WOW gear level is cp level in ESO.
Main question is that would an inspect function tell you?
Do you know all relevant sets for all builds? This includes sets who is not meta but might be easier to get or give sustain / survival benefits.
In ESO player skills is much more important than gear as long as gear is decent and its very easy to see if player is scrub.
Combat metric is nice in showing your part of group dps, if you are healer or tank your faction should be low
In short scrubs is easy to spot.
If you run into an awesome player he will be very happy to show you gear and rotation.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.2 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭100% open inspection is a bad idea.
Most players prefer to be secretive about their gear and not share it either because they think their build is awesome & unique or they currently have "bad gear".
But I think it can be implemented if there will be somekind of restriction on the inspection.
I suggested the following options almost three years ago(poll thread):
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/127704/would-you-like-to-see-ingame-inspect-option-introduced/p1Edited by Universe on July 17, 2017 12:56AMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Nordic_Pirate✭✭✭✭Everquest had it before Wow
Ultima Online had it before Everquest. You could put a robe on to hide your gear :-PYes, I do heartily repent. I repent I had not done more mischief; and that we did not cut the throats of them that took us, and I am extremely sorry that you aren't hanged as well as we.
— Anonymous pirate, asked on the gallows if he repented.1 -
Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭yeah....nah.
Gear inspection leads to the DCUO Paradox paradox.
In ESO terms, we'd end up in a position of "Oh...you want to run White Gold Tower? Wait, you don't have SPC gear. No. No WGT run for you. Come back when you have SPC gear."
edit: for those who have not played DUCO, when the Origin Crisis DLC launched, the hardest raid at the time (and for some time after) was Paradox Wave. Soon after it launched (and again...for some time after), a good number of groups refused to run it with anybody who had not completed it. Essentially, you had to have completed Paradox Wave before you were allowed to join a group for Paradox Wave.
If that is your reason, then your position is defeated by your own example.
We can easily tell, today, with what we have in game already whether someone has SPC gear or not. Or Wurm, other buff sets etc.
10 seconds into first trash fight, when there is no SPC buff proc, you know the healer has it or not. All group members can see the buffs that proc on them. For some sets like Wurm it's even easier, the circling blue orb animation.
Bottom line - if someone is denied a spot in WGT or other dungeon by your reasoning that if players knew they lacked certain gear, that environment already exists today. An inspect function would not change that.
What it would do is provide a means to examine other, less easily observed gear, such as VMA weapons or not. Your argument should therefore be that inspection might - I say might - increase the frequency of group kicks. But if someone is going to be that elitism about it - as I said, the capability to know what buff sets you are or are not running is already in game today.0 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No thank you. If you want to know what others are using ask them. If they tell you about it fine if they don't it's also fine.
Saying that there is a class divide in eso is crap. Gear, skill and overall usefulness has nothing to do with ingame money.
If you want to rub it into other ppls faces that you feel stronger than they, make some 1vX vids and post them on YT. Or ask a top raiding guild if you can join them.
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Diminish✭✭✭✭✭
✭As long as it can be toggled on and off, and it should default to off. Choices are always good in videogames.Edited by Diminish on July 17, 2017 1:04AM1 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wolfenbelle wrote: »
Don't know about you, but I'm in this game for fun and relaxation. I most definitely do not want to deal with gaming snobs.
^This.^7 -
bareheiny✭✭✭✭✭
Eh...SPC and WGT was the first thing that sprung to mind.yeah....nah.
Gear inspection leads to the DCUO Paradox paradox.
In ESO terms, we'd end up in a position of "Oh...you want to run White Gold Tower? Wait, you don't have SPC gear. No. No WGT run for you. Come back when you have SPC gear."
edit: for those who have not played DUCO, when the Origin Crisis DLC launched, the hardest raid at the time (and for some time after) was Paradox Wave. Soon after it launched (and again...for some time after), a good number of groups refused to run it with anybody who had not completed it. Essentially, you had to have completed Paradox Wave before you were allowed to join a group for Paradox Wave.
If that is your reason, then your position is defeated by your own example.
We can easily tell, today, with what we have in game already whether someone has SPC gear or not. Or Wurm, other buff sets etc.
10 seconds into first trash fight, when there is no SPC buff proc, you know the healer has it or not. All group members can see the buffs that proc on them. For some sets like Wurm it's even easier, the circling blue orb animation.
Bottom line - if someone is denied a spot in WGT or other dungeon by your reasoning that if players knew they lacked certain gear, that environment already exists today. An inspect function would not change that.
What it would do is provide a means to examine other, less easily observed gear, such as VMA weapons or not. Your argument should therefore be that inspection might - I say might - increase the frequency of group kicks. But if someone is going to be that elitism about it - as I said, the capability to know what buff sets you are or are not running is already in game today.
It could just as easily be "Oh...you're wearing crafted gear? *kick*".
The end result is that people get kicked for not having the right gear.
This sort of elitism (for want of a better word) may already happen...but I'd put money on it becoming more frequent if gear inspection was available.
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Fur_like_snow✭✭✭✭✭
✭I feel like I have nothing to hide so why would I care if someone can see my gear. It's pretty standard information in WoW to know what someone is wearing and their effective item level. I was actually surprised that ESO doesn't have a similar system for the same reasons. Imagine this is why so many players struggle to complete vet content.Edited by Fur_like_snow on July 17, 2017 2:08AM1 -
WhiteMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Idk about the rest of you, but as a PvPer, I'd be absolutely fine with an inspect function. Why? Because my build works for me and that's why I made it for me. You can copy it, but if it doesn't fit with how you like to play you won't see my results. If I happen to be on any of my very terrible alts, you might inspect me and see that, oh, I don't have good traits and many pieces are blue. That's probably why things are going poorly for me. It's not like I can't tell when I get rekt nor figure out why I keep getting "exposed."
If I'm getting... beat on my main in an area I'm comfortable in, and I want to know why, not having an inspect button isn't going to save you from me finding out exactly what you've got. Not too long ago I pieced together what someone's entire build was by keeping track of what skills they used and watching their reactions as I switched tactics.
If you're using a lame set like reactive, well that's already self-evident.
L33tism in PvP doesn't come from your gear, anyway. I'd like to see an inspect function for convenience.The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?0
