Frustrated wth grinding...

Jollygoodusername · July 2017

Is this about leveling system or item/equipment RNG?

I'm just confused because when I go to Vegas, I don't grind for Jackpots, it's purely RNG. Where as if I keep digging out in the mountains, I'm certain to grind precious gems/minerals. Either way, grinding for CP is boring I can only imagine how lame it must be for anyone trying to get decent drops at random. Well screw that noise, if can't make it myself, then I don't need/want it.

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

Jollygoodusername wrote: »

Is this about leveling system or item/equipment RNG?

I'm just confused because when I go to Vegas, I don't grind for Jackpots, it's purely RNG. Where as if I keep digging out in the mountains, I'm certain to grind precious gems/minerals. Either way, grinding for CP is boring I can only imagine how lame it must be for anyone trying to get decent drops at random. Well screw that noise, if can't make it myself, then I don't need/want it.

This is about grinding for gear. I fail to see how Vegas makes repeating the same content over and over for random gear drops not grinding. Saying it is RNG and not grinding is a false dichotomy. It can be both.

Beardimus · July 2017

ZOS isn't to blame for players obsession with getting that last 0.1% for perfect this of that.

For the bulk of content its really not needed. And for the bull of people a.better rotation will give more gain than and off trait here or there..

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

ZOS isn't to blame for players obsession with getting that last 0.1% for perfect this of that.

For the bulk of content its really not needed. And for the bull of people a.better rotation will give more gain than and off trait here or there..

This is a non-response. "It doesn't matter" does not validate the design.

QUEZ420 · July 2017

Bruhhhh that wall of text tho... Proctext is op!

Diminish · July 2017

Roovin wrote: »

Guaranteed drops or getting a guaranteed drop via tokens after every 10 runs or so would be a bad idea.

The best gear in the game SHOULD be hard to get

It's not hard though, it's random. I know people who got a sharpened destro in less than 5 vMA runs, and there are horror stories from others with hundreds of completions that still don't have one. Difficulty is not the deciding factor, a psuedo random number generator is. RNG =/= Difficulty.

geonsocal · July 2017

another way to minimize the BoP grind is to keep track of the dailies - on pledge day for that particular dungeon set: farm, farm, and farm some more...

make sure to mic up, say hi in text chat - let folks know what you're looking for and you're willing to trade or buy...

got lucky doing this and farmed my rattlecage and dreugh king slayer sets in a day...

wise to bring a little extra coin...10 to 20k can get you most jewelry, shields and weapon pieces...you can get most body pieces free...as an option you can also bring some decent tradeable gear...

notimetocare · July 2017

MudkipKatana wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

It's easy.

Just dont grind. Seriously. Just let go.

That's bad advice.

"Oh, it's too hard, I'm just gonna give up..."

Very bad advice xD

Millennials motto

leepalmer95 · July 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

MudkipKatana wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

It's easy.

Just dont grind. Seriously. Just let go.

That's bad advice.

"Oh, it's too hard, I'm just gonna give up..."

Very bad advice xD

Millennials motto

'Sterotype motto'

Jitterbug · July 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

ZOS isn't to blame for players obsession with getting that last 0.1% for perfect this of that.
..

Well.. yes they are. Or put in another way, they can fix it.

Since we are comparing, a restaurant isnt to blame for people wanting cheeseburgers but they can acknowledge peoples desire for said burgers and serve them. Straight up.

Jitterbug · July 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

MudkipKatana wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

It's easy.

Just dont grind. Seriously. Just let go.

That's bad advice.

"Oh, it's too hard, I'm just gonna give up..."

Very bad advice xD

Millennials motto

Lol. Im way over the millenial hill, but Im not even going to argue with you.
Btw I didnt say to give up on things that were hard but to let go of things that were nonsensical. But whatever makes your "mature" self feel good...

makreth · July 2017

Grinding is acceptable but this game/company makes huge changes every half a year making you start from scratch again. This has been happening each passing year, check patch notes. For casuals this is a never ending campaign and will never get to reach the top of the iceberg.

disintegr8 · July 2017

makreth wrote: »

Grinding is acceptable but this game/company makes huge changes every half a year making you start from scratch again. This has been happening each passing year, check patch notes. For casuals this is a never ending campaign and will never get to reach the top of the iceberg.

In this regard the game is not casual friendly and because there is a demand from the more hard core players for new content, there is no easy solution. Either casual players stop chasing BiS gear, or ZOS stops introducing so many new drop sets, or maybe lose Bind on Pickup and go back to Bind on Equip.

BoE helps casuals and less 'capable' players by giving them access to items they may not be able to farm themselves - either through time constraints or ability. This upsets a lot of the hard core players because they feel you should only have access to BiS gear if you can get it yourself.

I'd suggest many of these hard core players buy gold improvement tempers/alloys to improve their BiS gear and buy ingredients/food/potions to use in their eternal hunt for BiS gear. I guess if you are too busy running trials, vMA or dungeons for gear to farm for your own mats, it's fine - but being too busy with work or family to farm for your own gear is not.

For my part, I'd like to see a reduction in drop sets - there are so many out there that are absolute trash now anyway.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · July 2017

And once you finally get the gear you need, ZOS swings the nerf hammer and you have to regrind new gear. :'(

It never ends...

kijima · July 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

It's easy.

Just dont grind. Seriously. Just let go.

^ Get's it

LadyLethalla · July 2017

Let's not forget the fact that most people can't solo either the version 2 dungeons (eg Fungal 2 - which I don't believe IS soloable, due to the chain mechanic on the 2nd boss) or the DLC dungeons. Or vet versions of even version 1 dungeons. So if I want, for example, the purple jewellery from Darkshade 1 I've got to either hope I can find enough friends online willing to run it once or maybe even twice with me and then be generous enough to gift said items, or wait until it's a pledge and hope to PUG it. Even then the chance to get what I'm looking for is pretty low.

qsnoopyjr · July 2017

Yep,
gold cannot get you the nice things, thats why hardly any gold sellers in this game.

Grind Grind Grind
You want mundus BSW? Nope gold will do nothing, GRIND GRIND GRIND.
You want VMA fire staff? Nope gold will do nothing, GRIND GRIND GRIND.

khele23eb17_ESO · July 2017

Jamascus wrote: »

The grinding is insulting. Problem is, if they added a token system they would inevitably *** it up and potentially make it worse. We have no evidence to show they could competently implement a token system. I have been around since beta and they just keep derping along. It's too bad, this game has a lot of potential, they just can't get out of their own way.

How do you screw up a token system?

vamp_emily · July 2017

If you are frustrated I might be able to help

qsnoopyjr · July 2017

ESO knows what you want.

In order to keep you playing...
They purposely do not give you what you want.

This guy has 4 out of 5 of a certain set, and its all mundus???
Lets not give him it, but after 9th try we will tease him by giving him it with prospherus
This way they come back tommorow to....

GRIND GRIND GRIND