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Starting to feel like my Templar will never be good DPS
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Looking at Alcast's site your information would appear to be out of date as he show's a 26.9k, but also states the rotation is "experimental".
Looking elsewhere you can find 30k on magicka Warden:
(36k)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wX4w91RKjM
(32k on console)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhKwJ3hQDxc
Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..0 -
Argah✭✭✭✭Honestly that just sounds terrible to me, doing the game so many times over managing lots of toons etc. that's a whole other level of gaming, that's extreme.
It's actually quite the opposite in my opinion. Once you get your characters past level 50 it is so refreshing being able to pick and choose which one you want to play knowing that your progress on any of them is shared on all of them. If I am in the mood to play my stam warden; I play him. Getting tired of playing my magsorc, it's cool, I'll go play my stamsorc for a bit. If I get tired of the faster play style of my stamsorc then I'll switch it up and go play my magDK for a bit. Feeling like some PvP, I'll get on my stamblade. Get tired of PvP, I'll jump on my magplar.
Options are never bad, and can make the game refreshing at times. The only real commitment you need to make is the initial grind to CP rank which can be had in a couple days, a few hours a day with pots/scrolls.
I hear you man, this seems what most say, oh you have cp already it's not that much a grind but skill points are a massive grind, the way some of you go on about how easy it is to get to 50 and have a usable character you'd think all you did was sit in a public dungeon a day or two and boom! When in reality it is nothing like that.0 -
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✭My plan was to Tank or Heal my way till about 500cp where I would switch to DPS and not be a hindrance to teammates .
The more cp I get though I'm starting feel this character will never be great at anything other than heal when that isn't my plan, sure it can tank ok and dps ok but feel like something is missing.
Playing as a Breton atm with 200cp and considering switching to a khajit with the night blade class where I can tank my way to high level then DPS, how much percentage of an improvement if any would that make?
I dont get it why do you have to tank your way to 500cp before you dps?
I know cp200 who do 20k dps easy and to me thats enough to pair up with ny 25-35k dps.
Just use the right set with right abilities and right rotation and your dps will be fine.Honestly that just sounds terrible to me, doing the game so many times over managing lots of toons etc. that's a whole other level of gaming, that's extreme.
It's actually quite the opposite in my opinion. Once you get your characters past level 50 it is so refreshing being able to pick and choose which one you want to play knowing that your progress on any of them is shared on all of them. If I am in the mood to play my stam warden; I play him. Getting tired of playing my magsorc, it's cool, I'll go play my stamsorc for a bit. If I get tired of the faster play style of my stamsorc then I'll switch it up and go play my magDK for a bit. Feeling like some PvP, I'll get on my stamblade. Get tired of PvP, I'll jump on my magplar.
Options are never bad, and can make the game refreshing at times. The only real commitment you need to make is the initial grind to CP rank which can be had in a couple days, a few hours a day with pots/scrolls.
I hear you man, this seems what most say, oh you have cp already it's not that much a grind but skill points are a massive grind, the way some of you go on about how easy it is to get to 50 and have a usable character you'd think all you did was sit in a public dungeon a day or two and boom! When in reality it is nothing like that.
I leveled a stam warden and magicka warden to level 50 a week after morrowind came out. Took me about 2-3 days each toon. Leveling is so easy in this game especially if you do skyreach runs
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Argah✭✭✭✭I only tank in random dungeons, outside I'm full on dps firstly because wait times are short if tank or healer and secondly because you wait an age as low level dps only to get kicked for being too low level and then you gotta sit 15 mins to enter the next one.0
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Argah✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »My plan was to Tank or Heal my way till about 500cp where I would switch to DPS and not be a hindrance to teammates .
The more cp I get though I'm starting feel this character will never be great at anything other than heal when that isn't my plan, sure it can tank ok and dps ok but feel like something is missing.
Playing as a Breton atm with 200cp and considering switching to a khajit with the night blade class where I can tank my way to high level then DPS, how much percentage of an improvement if any would that make?
I dont get it why do you have to tank your way to 500cp before you dps?
I know cp200 who do 20k dps easy and to me thats enough to pair up with ny 25-35k dps.
Just use the right set with right abilities and right rotation and your dps will be fine.Honestly that just sounds terrible to me, doing the game so many times over managing lots of toons etc. that's a whole other level of gaming, that's extreme.
It's actually quite the opposite in my opinion. Once you get your characters past level 50 it is so refreshing being able to pick and choose which one you want to play knowing that your progress on any of them is shared on all of them. If I am in the mood to play my stam warden; I play him. Getting tired of playing my magsorc, it's cool, I'll go play my stamsorc for a bit. If I get tired of the faster play style of my stamsorc then I'll switch it up and go play my magDK for a bit. Feeling like some PvP, I'll get on my stamblade. Get tired of PvP, I'll jump on my magplar.
Options are never bad, and can make the game refreshing at times. The only real commitment you need to make is the initial grind to CP rank which can be had in a couple days, a few hours a day with pots/scrolls.
I hear you man, this seems what most say, oh you have cp already it's not that much a grind but skill points are a massive grind, the way some of you go on about how easy it is to get to 50 and have a usable character you'd think all you did was sit in a public dungeon a day or two and boom! When in reality it is nothing like that.
I leveled a stam warden and magicka warden to level 50 a week after morrowind came out. Took me about 2-3 days each toon. Leveling is so easy in this game especially if you do skyreach runs
In those 2-3 days just levelling via skyreach runs you get hardly any skill points.
Yeah sure, easy to get to 50 but that ain't what makes your toon good, at 50 you still need to go quest to get them skill points so in reality to get it usable you 100% have to do all the same crap you have already done.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Do some research and look up builds. You may not be able to get Moondancer stuff easily unless you run normal a lot. Vet MoL is a completely different animal. War Maiden, Julianos, Willpower, 2 Torug's swords, and Grothdarr are fairly easy to get and don't require any trials. When my templar is dps, she has 5 War Maiden, 2 Grothdarr, 3 Arcane Willpower jewels, and 2 sharp Torug's swords for front bar and a yellow sharp lightning staff for back bar. The weapons and traits will most likely change next update with the trait and mundus stone changes.Edited by WuffyCerulei on July 16, 2017 9:01PM"Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power0 -
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✭Magplar is very strong with just a standard Julianos - Lich setup and whatever monster helm you prefer.Edited by acw37162 on July 16, 2017 9:01PM0 -
NiclasFridholm✭✭✭✭Atm they are getting very hit with the % changes in CPs so if you are looking for endgame leaderboard runs id suggest learning another class. Otherwise they are fun to play even if the DPS is at the bottom atm.Tobias Funke - Magplar since forever0 -
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✭If you're not enjoying the character then fair enough, try another.
If you're struggling with your dps, then it's two simple factors. Your skill and build.PC NA - GreggsSausageRoll0 -
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✭✭✭Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »People will say it's easy to DPS with it, but then again these people are wearing at least a 3pc set that gives you Minor Slayer which increases your damage done to Dungeon and Trial monsters by whatever percent, and you can only get those armor pieces by running Trials, which, lol, good luck. I myself have managed to land a couple Infallibe Aether rings, but no luck with a necklace.
But back to the point, I'm in your boat, I usually ever default to Healer with my MagPlar cause I don't want to take up a DPS spot that I know a MUCH better player could fill, but I think I'm getting close. Apply DoTs like Vampire's Bane and Elemental Wall, then just Jab to your heart's content with Sweeps, and make sure you have ample CP put into Thaumaturge so the damage for all that is increased. Personally I also have a 2pc Grothdarr for that extra AoE flame damage. Normal overworld mobs just MELT but Dungeon enemies are a different story.
If it was easy then id see more people with 40k magplar parses and thats not the case. Also currently the magplar BiS is 3 gold moondancer jewelry and 2 sharp swords. Not easy to obtain at all
Seems like your saying there's only like one setup for a magplar to compete with nightblade when it comes to dps and honestly, that just sounds boring.
META is boring. Welcome to an MMORPG
I'll second this but I will add it's mainly this MMO. In 20 years of MMO this is probably one of the only where created add-ons have enabled players to see every ounce of DPS and I've played almost all of them. I don't ever remember kicking players from groups in EQ, Daoc, WoW, War, or Lotro. So now out of 150 armor sets (just an exaggerated guess) each class has about 2-3 choices of sets depending on what you choose to do (DPS, Heal, Tank). Everyone really should get an email when you create a new class that shows you your one and only correct rotation list for uber dps. That way groups don't drop you because their carrying you. Yeah..it's that great..
You don't need addons to know when your group isn't good enough to make the dungeon (or make it in less than 2 hours). You also can't see other peoples' dps, only your % of group dps. You can do the ~15k needed to pass any single dungeon in the game with any relatively sensible set, probably including Seducer. Removal of softcaps did end up removing a lot of possible diversity, but not like you can't complete content without 3-5 pc Moondancer and MA staff or something.
To OP, it sounds like you're worrying too much without actually giving things much of a try. Magplars are very competitive as dps atm afaik and they're still best healers. However if you really are after totally best dps you'll have to level up all 4 classes because no matter how good or bad templars are now, meta changes every major patch basically and next one, or the one after it, might not be in templars' favor. Honestly I'd say don't worry about it. You can pull enough dps to complete all of the game's content on ANY class and 95% of time you see someone pulling more numbers than you it's not their class - it's their character setup and their rotation.0 -
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✭My plan was to Tank or Heal my way till about 500cp where I would switch to DPS and not be a hindrance to teammates .
The more cp I get though I'm starting feel this character will never be great at anything other than heal when that isn't my plan, sure it can tank ok and dps ok but feel like something is missing.
Playing as a Breton atm with 200cp and considering switching to a khajit with the night blade class where I can tank my way to high level then DPS, how much percentage of an improvement if any would that make?
Nah dude, templars are a good class. I've mained a stamplar with competative dps every single patch. All it really boils down to is knowing your class, your class strengths, and practice.
*** will change every update, but if you know your class you'll know how to adjust. Once you get a solid idea of what you're doing it's just practice. That muscle memory kicks in and you really start seeing the dps improve. Start with a simple rotation, and when you get good at it, add a few things.0