Starting to feel like my Templar will never be good DPS

Argah · July 2017

My plan was to Tank or Heal my way till about 500cp where I would switch to DPS and not be a hindrance to teammates .

The more cp I get though I'm starting feel this character will never be great at anything other than heal when that isn't my plan, sure it can tank ok and dps ok but feel like something is missing.

Playing as a Breton atm with 200cp and considering switching to a khajit with the night blade class where I can tank my way to high level then DPS, how much percentage of an improvement if any would that make?

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

Playing a templar is easy, for the most part. They can kill 90% of mobs with no real trouble. You can solo normal dungeons on one with no real problems. They will even kill some of the world bosses fairly easily.

Playing a Templar and getting decent DPS requires a good setup, the correct skills slotted, and for you to know and hold onto a strict rotation. You even press one wrong button, and your DPS will drop like a rock.

A good Magicka Templar will pull 35K DPS easily.

As for me, Rotations are the one thing I really struggle with. I can handle maybe 3 skills in a rotation, but beyond that, my eyes glaze over, and I cannot handle it.

So, I am happy with my PvE subpar 16K DPS Magplar (when I remember what skills to use in the correct order!).

Argah · July 2017

Honestly I was going to add it feels like a nooby no skill class but felt some might be offended, I'm finding it boring walking through ads etc but my endgame is DPS PVE and PVP and I'm just not sure she's gonna be up to much, really can't be bothered starting again but these thoughts are making me consider it a lot.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · July 2017

I parse 40.7k on my magplar. It's all about your build.

Argah · July 2017

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

I parse 40.7k on my magplar. It's all about your build.

Is that as good as anything a nightblade maxed out can pull? because anyone can watch a YouTube video and set up build appropriately.

ArchMikem · July 2017

People will say it's easy to DPS with it, but then again these people are wearing at least a 3pc set that gives you Minor Slayer which increases your damage done to Dungeon and Trial monsters by whatever percent, and you can only get those armor pieces by running Trials, which, lol, good luck. I myself have managed to land a couple Infallibe Aether rings, but no luck with a necklace.

But back to the point, I'm in your boat, I usually ever default to Healer with my MagPlar cause I don't want to take up a DPS spot that I know a MUCH better player could fill, but I think I'm getting close. Apply DoTs like Vampire's Bane and Elemental Wall, then just Jab to your heart's content with Sweeps, and make sure you have ample CP put into Thaumaturge so the damage for all that is increased. Personally I also have a 2pc Grothdarr for that extra AoE flame damage. Normal overworld mobs just MELT but Dungeon enemies are a different story.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

I parse 40.7k on my magplar. It's all about your build.

Is that as good as anything a nightblade maxed out can pull? because anyone can watch a YouTube video and set up build appropriately.

Perhaps I should have quoted. I wanted to say that at best a magplar can hit 40k to 42k as of now which is still in lines of a magblade as far as I know. But there are more magblades hitting 40-43k than there are magplars doing 40k+

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · July 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

People will say it's easy to DPS with it, but then again these people are wearing at least a 3pc set that gives you Minor Slayer which increases your damage done to Dungeon and Trial monsters by whatever percent, and you can only get those armor pieces by running Trials, which, lol, good luck. I myself have managed to land a couple Infallibe Aether rings, but no luck with a necklace.

But back to the point, I'm in your boat, I usually ever default to Healer with my MagPlar cause I don't want to take up a DPS spot that I know a MUCH better player could fill, but I think I'm getting close. Apply DoTs like Vampire's Bane and Elemental Wall, then just Jab to your heart's content with Sweeps, and make sure you have ample CP put into Thaumaturge so the damage for all that is increased. Personally I also have a 2pc Grothdarr for that extra AoE flame damage. Normal overworld mobs just MELT but Dungeon enemies are a different story.

If it was easy then id see more people with 40k magplar parses and thats not the case. Also currently the magplar BiS is 3 gold moondancer jewelry and 2 sharp swords. Not easy to obtain at all

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

I parse 40.7k on my magplar. It's all about your build.

Is that as good as anything a nightblade maxed out can pull? because anyone can watch a YouTube video and set up build appropriately.

It is good enough to get you into and complete any content in the game. But If you have some super desire to be the best of the best all the time, you might as well not only reroll NB but all the classes, since the top dog keeps changing it seems. But since you can't be bothered to start over once let alone 4 times, stick with what you got.

It works and is good enough. And not to long ago for a couple patches it was the best. Just like all the rest.

Argah · July 2017

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

People will say it's easy to DPS with it, but then again these people are wearing at least a 3pc set that gives you Minor Slayer which increases your damage done to Dungeon and Trial monsters by whatever percent, and you can only get those armor pieces by running Trials, which, lol, good luck. I myself have managed to land a couple Infallibe Aether rings, but no luck with a necklace.

But back to the point, I'm in your boat, I usually ever default to Healer with my MagPlar cause I don't want to take up a DPS spot that I know a MUCH better player could fill, but I think I'm getting close. Apply DoTs like Vampire's Bane and Elemental Wall, then just Jab to your heart's content with Sweeps, and make sure you have ample CP put into Thaumaturge so the damage for all that is increased. Personally I also have a 2pc Grothdarr for that extra AoE flame damage. Normal overworld mobs just MELT but Dungeon enemies are a different story.

If it was easy then id see more people with 40k magplar parses and thats not the case. Also currently the magplar BiS is 3 gold moondancer jewelry and 2 sharp swords. Not easy to obtain at all

Seems like your saying there's only like one setup for a magplar to compete with nightblade when it comes to dps and honestly, that just sounds boring.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

People will say it's easy to DPS with it, but then again these people are wearing at least a 3pc set that gives you Minor Slayer which increases your damage done to Dungeon and Trial monsters by whatever percent, and you can only get those armor pieces by running Trials, which, lol, good luck. I myself have managed to land a couple Infallibe Aether rings, but no luck with a necklace.

But back to the point, I'm in your boat, I usually ever default to Healer with my MagPlar cause I don't want to take up a DPS spot that I know a MUCH better player could fill, but I think I'm getting close. Apply DoTs like Vampire's Bane and Elemental Wall, then just Jab to your heart's content with Sweeps, and make sure you have ample CP put into Thaumaturge so the damage for all that is increased. Personally I also have a 2pc Grothdarr for that extra AoE flame damage. Normal overworld mobs just MELT but Dungeon enemies are a different story.

If it was easy then id see more people with 40k magplar parses and thats not the case. Also currently the magplar BiS is 3 gold moondancer jewelry and 2 sharp swords. Not easy to obtain at all

Seems like your saying there's only like one setup for a magplar to compete with nightblade when it comes to dps and honestly, that just sounds boring.

META is boring. Welcome to an MMORPG

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

It honestly looks like U15 is heading strongly towards the idea of killing off Meta.

I am hoping that U15 will be far more about player skill than what loadout you are using.

It seems most classes will be just as good with multiple variations of loadouts, and it will be more about who can maintain rotations and know what to do at the right time.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

People will say it's easy to DPS with it, but then again these people are wearing at least a 3pc set that gives you Minor Slayer which increases your damage done to Dungeon and Trial monsters by whatever percent, and you can only get those armor pieces by running Trials, which, lol, good luck. I myself have managed to land a couple Infallibe Aether rings, but no luck with a necklace.

But back to the point, I'm in your boat, I usually ever default to Healer with my MagPlar cause I don't want to take up a DPS spot that I know a MUCH better player could fill, but I think I'm getting close. Apply DoTs like Vampire's Bane and Elemental Wall, then just Jab to your heart's content with Sweeps, and make sure you have ample CP put into Thaumaturge so the damage for all that is increased. Personally I also have a 2pc Grothdarr for that extra AoE flame damage. Normal overworld mobs just MELT but Dungeon enemies are a different story.

If it was easy then id see more people with 40k magplar parses and thats not the case. Also currently the magplar BiS is 3 gold moondancer jewelry and 2 sharp swords. Not easy to obtain at all

Seems like your saying there's only like one setup for a magplar to compete with nightblade when it comes to dps and honestly, that just sounds boring.

Now this might be a different story. If you find your class 'boring' to play then yes you should jump to a new one. And as easy As a templar can heal, it does make it boring in a whole lot of normal situations. Something a little more active like a nb might be for you.

But again if you are strictly changing to chase 'max' dps, in the end you will be changing again and again.

Argah · July 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

People will say it's easy to DPS with it, but then again these people are wearing at least a 3pc set that gives you Minor Slayer which increases your damage done to Dungeon and Trial monsters by whatever percent, and you can only get those armor pieces by running Trials, which, lol, good luck. I myself have managed to land a couple Infallibe Aether rings, but no luck with a necklace.

But back to the point, I'm in your boat, I usually ever default to Healer with my MagPlar cause I don't want to take up a DPS spot that I know a MUCH better player could fill, but I think I'm getting close. Apply DoTs like Vampire's Bane and Elemental Wall, then just Jab to your heart's content with Sweeps, and make sure you have ample CP put into Thaumaturge so the damage for all that is increased. Personally I also have a 2pc Grothdarr for that extra AoE flame damage. Normal overworld mobs just MELT but Dungeon enemies are a different story.

If it was easy then id see more people with 40k magplar parses and thats not the case. Also currently the magplar BiS is 3 gold moondancer jewelry and 2 sharp swords. Not easy to obtain at all

Seems like your saying there's only like one setup for a magplar to compete with nightblade when it comes to dps and honestly, that just sounds boring.

Now this might be a different story. If you find your class 'boring' to play then yes you should jump to a new one. And as easy As a templar can heal, it does make it boring in a whole not of normal situations. Something a little more active like a nb might be for you.

But again if you are strictly changing to chase 'max' dps, in the end you will be changing again and again.

You know it might be boredom, something just feels missing you know like I'm not meant to be a Templar or something but I have invested so much time on horse training doing the story crafting and it seems daunting to do that all again, probably take me 3 month to get to where I am now.

Argah · July 2017

Ah what the hell going to switch to AD and do the Khajit Stamblade thing, might as well even if I just do a bit here and there.

Lutallo · July 2017

Magicka Templar DPS can be good with the relatively cheap gear.
Get 5 body pieces of Julianos, all divines, crafted.
Buy a set of willpower arcane jewellery.
Get a sharpened lightning and sharpened fire staff from a guild store, not part of any set.
Try to get either Grothdaar or Illambris as a monster shoulder/helmet.
Then go online and find a good skill set up with the a rotation.

For Veteran Dungeons you can honestly get away with about 15k dps. As long as your other DPS is pulling 15k, you'll be doing 30k dps and a 3m health boss with go down in 100 seconds. Theoretically.
15k DPS is very very very easily manageable with the above gear and the right skill set.

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

You could always buy the adventurer pack, and have the any race any alliance thing on. It was the very first thing I bought for ESO.

Thus why I have an Ebonheart Pact Khajiit stamblade.

Argah · July 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

You could always buy the adventurer pack, and have the any race any alliance thing on. It was the very first thing I bought for ESO.

Thus why I have an Ebonheart Pact Khajiit stamblade.

Do have that, think I got it with my preorder from game but not a fan of 1T and using races outside there alliance, have no problem at all with others doing it but as a personal preference I keep them to their own.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

You could always buy the adventurer pack, and have the any race any alliance thing on. It was the very first thing I bought for ESO.

Thus why I have an Ebonheart Pact Khajiit stamblade.

Do have that, think I got it with my preorder from game but not a fan of 1T and using races outside there alliance, have no problem at all with others doing it but as a personal preference I keep them to their own.

You sir are doing this forum thing wrong! First you need to act like your preference is the only logical choice! Then mock the people who disagree! Third threaten to quit if Zos doesn't change.

This whole, I do what I like and other can do what they like, attitude? I do not approve! You are setting a dangerous precedent here on the forums.

Keep_Door · July 2017

Saying this as nicely as i can , its not the templar its you.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · July 2017

Keep_Door wrote: »

Saying this as nicely as i can , its not the templar its you.

Yoooo xD

Asardes · July 2017

U15 will actually move things in favor of Templars as DPS because it's easier now to stack spell critical (1-4p spell & weapon critical bonuses getting buffed by 55%) and Templar has a 10% bonus to critical damage done. Probably the meta will be stacking spell critical from various set bonuses and precise weapons and using Shadow mundus and trap/TR synergy and Warhorn plus CP in Elfborn to boost critical multiplier.

KingYogi415 · July 2017

Argah wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

I parse 40.7k on my magplar. It's all about your build.

Is that as good as anything a nightblade maxed out can pull? because anyone can watch a YouTube video and set up build appropriately.

Lol, GL kid!

Grabmoore · July 2017

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

I parse 40.7k on my magplar. It's all about your build.

Can you pots this parse with gear and rotation? After the latest update noone I saw reached the 40k again.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · July 2017

Grabmoore wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

I parse 40.7k on my magplar. It's all about your build.

Can you pots this parse with gear and rotation? After the latest update noone I saw reached the 40k again.

Been trying to get a video on here but I'm unsure how to get it on forums

Epona222 · July 2017

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

I parse 40.7k on my magplar. It's all about your build.

Can you pots this parse with gear and rotation? After the latest update noone I saw reached the 40k again.

Been trying to get a video on here but I'm unsure how to get it on forums

Host it on a 3rd party site and provide a link

Wolfenbelle · July 2017

Define "good DPS." I've been playing a Templar main for 3+ years and still enjoy the heck out of her. She started out as an Imperial. Switched her to Redguard with the release of 1Tamriel. While leveling her back when Templars were considered the weakest class, she started out as a magicka character, then went hybrid for awhile, then finally stamina. That's where she's stayed ever since.

I've never tried tanking, but did try being a healer for a short time. Never liked it, so she's been stamina DPS all the way from v1 through v16 and now 630+ CP. I have leveled all the weapon skill trees except sword and shield. My preference is dual wield and bow, but I switched to DW and destro staff with the Morrowind changes.

I don't know how you define "good DPS," but I can solo most things in the game and do OK in most group situations. I'm not focused on being whatever "the best" is for trials, vet dungeons, PvP and the like, and have never spent my time chasing the latest FOTM gear. So what if some people don't think she's good enough in some situations. She makes me happy. That's what matters to me.

Argah · July 2017

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

Define "good DPS." I've been playing a Templar main for 3+ years and still enjoy the heck out of her. She started out as an Imperial. Switched her to Redguard with the release of 1Tamriel. While leveling her back when Templars were considered the weakest class, she started out as a magicka character, then went hybrid for awhile, then finally stamina. That's where she's stayed ever since.

I've never tried tanking, but did try being a healer for a short time. Never liked it, so she's been stamina DPS all the way from v1 through v16 and now 630+ CP. I have leveled all the weapon skill trees except sword and shield. My preference is dual wield and bow, but I switched to DW and destro staff with the Morrowind changes.

I don't know how you define "good DPS," but I can solo most things in the game and do OK in most group situations. I'm not focused on being whatever "the best" is for trials, vet dungeons, PvP and the like, and have never spent my time chasing the latest FOTM gear. So what if some people don't think she's good enough in some situations. She makes me happy. That's what matters to me.

Good dps as in not bad compared to other classes in the game, don't want to got to cp 500 and then have crap damage output compared to other classes.

Vipstaakki · July 2017

Templars are dead. They died when major mending left them. You would be better just going MagDK.

Argah · July 2017

I'm gonna try my Templar today with duel wield 3 stamina skills and 2 magic on each bar, see if that feels a bit better.

Certainly be a change been 100% magic since I started using her, can't be bothered doing it all again bored after a half hour.

If she goes well with stam I always pay to change race from Breton to something more stam and damage focused.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · July 2017

Grabmoore wrote: »

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

I parse 40.7k on my magplar. It's all about your build.

Can you pots this parse with gear and rotation? After the latest update noone I saw reached the 40k again.

https://youtu.be/gJ6R7ooUmrA

The build is 2 sharp moondancer swords. 3 gold moondancer jewelry. 5 julianos. 2 grothdar hvy/med. Backbar a lightning VMA sharp staff if possible. If not, a moondancer sharp lightning or random sharp destro works well too