Templars UP compared to other classes.

Destyran · July 2017

all classes can go on extreme offensive. Not templars. We can heal or we can do medium damage and mist there arent any templar builds comparable to stam nbs bombers mag sorcs or even perma block dks. Let's discuss.

Drdeath20 · July 2017

If there was anything great about a templar still it would be nerfed very soon.

DeadlyRecluse · July 2017

I main magplar, and I'm pretty happy with them at the moment. There are a few things I'd like to see tweaked or skills that need a rework, but overall I feel good this patch.

Destyran · July 2017

@Joy_Division would like your opinion

Brutusmax1mus · July 2017

If you're using a class that has a ranged snare, ranged knock back, outstanding burst mechanic, undodgable aoe dps that procs a decent hit, great single target healing, and so much more wrong I'm sorry. I'm using 3 different builds i like very much when i play. All very offensive builds.

What is your build, maybe you would like some advice.

Destyran · July 2017

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

If you're using a class that has a ranged snare, ranged knock back, outstanding burst mechanic, undodgable aoe dps that procs a decent hit, great single target healing, and so much more wrong I'm sorry. I'm using 3 different builds i like very much when i play. All very offensive builds.

What is your build, maybe you would like some advice.

I have a one shot darkflare build. A tanky templar in 5 rattlecage lich and a vma destro i use ele drain to get the pen of light armour and time purifying light skoria and dawnbreaker as burst. I have a troll build that is for hust not dying aswell. This class is not performing as well as other classes.

Xvorg · July 2017

Destyran wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

If you're using a class that has a ranged snare, ranged knock back, outstanding burst mechanic, undodgable aoe dps that procs a decent hit, great single target healing, and so much more wrong I'm sorry. I'm using 3 different builds i like very much when i play. All very offensive builds.

What is your build, maybe you would like some advice.

I have a one shot darkflare build. A tanky templar in 5 rattlecage lich and a vma destro i use ele drain to get the pen of light armour and time purifying light skoria and dawnbreaker as burst. I have a troll build that is for hust not dying aswell. This class is not performing as well as other classes.

go try a stam DK

acw37162 · July 2017

Very wrong.

Baconlad · July 2017

Templar can still do anything the other toons are doing...just have to think outside the box. In my superstupid almost glass canon magplar, i can heal through two-three enemy toons burst, turn around and drop one of them. Rinse and repeat. Cant do that against great players but its not hard. Light armor magplar in full impen, with 30k buffed spell resist. Able to drop most players in two to five seconds of hard burst. One of my tricks is rapid regen and resto ulti. That way im mitigating through bloodspawn, and healing through those two powerful hots without having to cast anything while being offensive. Healing ult allows 6 seconds of being able to go offensive....

Learn to build breh!

Anti_Virus · July 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

Destyran wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

If you're using a class that has a ranged snare, ranged knock back, outstanding burst mechanic, undodgable aoe dps that procs a decent hit, great single target healing, and so much more wrong I'm sorry. I'm using 3 different builds i like very much when i play. All very offensive builds.

What is your build, maybe you would like some advice.

I have a one shot darkflare build. A tanky templar in 5 rattlecage lich and a vma destro i use ele drain to get the pen of light armour and time purifying light skoria and dawnbreaker as burst. I have a troll build that is for hust not dying aswell. This class is not performing as well as other classes.

go try a stam DK

This ^^^^, Datz Rite Mane.

Joy_Division · July 2017

I would agree that templars have a hard time going on the offensive when under pressure, more so than the other classes.

They have distinct offense and defensive phases and combining the two is not nearly as feasible as it was before the Champion system and accompany nerfs took away much of the class's soul.

People say they can build a templar that hits hard and they are surely correct. However a templar's offensive punch caters to Xv1. You aren't going to dark flare or Jesus Beam a competent player in melee, your Purifying Light isn't going to hit for max if you're too busy breath of lifing. The best Templar spammable jabs cannot be block-cast, again catering to the whole offense - defense distinction.

There is a reason so many templars went heavy armor and turtled so much that their offensive power was negligible in during the One Tamriel and Homestead patches. It is difficult to play a magplar that actually does damage and is suriviable when under pressure by good opponents.

I was going to write one of my long posts explaining why spamming Puncturing sweeps just isn't very viable now as say compared to two years ago, but I don;t have the motivation because I don;t think ZoS will listen and I don;t think people will believe me; non-templars are largely ignorant of the patch by patch changes that effects how templars play in cyrodiil. They are still under the delusion that templars never suffer any debuffs, can pull a 15K breath of life out of their ass on demand, and that the heal from sweeps is actually worth a damn. Suffice it to say that if you look at one of your old combat logs say from May 2015 and now, your sweeps heals potentially 50% and even up to 70% less for reasons that are many and various.

I still think the class is competitive but playing the "this is my house, just try and enter it" style that Wrobel wants is a very dubious prospect if under pressure from good players with good builds. The reactive "healbots" can do that for a while and not kill anything, but a perma-block DK can do the same thing better and what's the point besides trolling PuGs? The Templar "House" is in a state of disrepair in my estimation. I have long since dropped the two swords and adapted a more ranged oriented style and haven't looked back.

All of this considers scenarios Vs. seasoned players with good builds. Any class spec can 1vX potatoes.

Edit: To clarify, I would not say the class in underpowered. It does the whole offense / defense thing pretty well. Limited and compels adaptation would be more accurate. Though not necessarily underpowered since all classes have had to do this to some extent. I do think a magplar who tries to play the whole melee DPS spec is going to struggle and feel like the class is bad.

Vapirko · July 2017

You've also got the best purge and you can proc ravagers from jabs so easily! In PvP templars are still good. You've got ranged cc, a powerful dot, burst and a ton of physically class damage skills. Many more than stam sorc or even stam DK. In PvE magplars have awesome survivabilty and make great solo classes. Are they top tier dps right now? No I don't think so but unless you're an end game raid min/maxer then don't worry about it.

Destyran · July 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

You've also got the best purge and you can proc ravagers from jabs so easily! In PvP templars are still good. You've got ranged cc, a powerful dot, burst and a ton of physically class damage skills. Many more than stam sorc or even stam DK. In PvE magplars have awesome survivabilty and make great solo classes. Are they top tier dps right now? No I don't think so but unless you're an end game raid min/maxer then don't worry about it.

Ranged cc?? Lmao its bad AF

DeHei · July 2017

Templar are able to deal really high burstdamage! You can deal much area and single targetdamage together with a good survivalbility build. The only thing what Templar really need is a good hard CC like the stun they had with Blazing Spear.. there was really no reason to nerf that!

Templar are a good class but we really need hard CC for PvP! Then i would not miss anything.. without that you need to play very defensive..

Brutusmax1mus · July 2017

Destyran wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

You've also got the best purge and you can proc ravagers from jabs so easily! In PvP templars are still good. You've got ranged cc, a powerful dot, burst and a ton of physically class damage skills. Many more than stam sorc or even stam DK. In PvE magplars have awesome survivabilty and make great solo classes. Are they top tier dps right now? No I don't think so but unless you're an end game raid min/maxer then don't worry about it.

Ranged cc?? Lmao its bad AF

When burning light procs of javalin i do serious
Damage on a ranged cc. It also lets you play with your environment, like keeps, towers and terrain. That is hardly bad.

Sure it can be blocked and dodged, but so can ALMOST any other cc that isn't ranged and has no kb.

It could stand to be lengthened but almost all magicka stuns are short.

Siliziumdioxid · July 2017

On the Topic of Magplar:
I am currently running a build which is following : 5x Spinner, 5x Julianos 1x Maelstrom Lightning or 1pc Kena; Shadow Mundus full Impen full spell damage glyphs complete Max Magicka and 5 pc light armor. I know this is more or less a zerg build that has obvious weaknesses in solo application. However i would say that builds like that are one of the reasons why organized groups are a little bit overperforming:
Reason for that:

- High immediate ranged burst damage especially when in synergy with sorcerers or wardens
(Example: I cast: Darkflare -> Jesus Beam. My friend the high spell damage Sorc casts: Mages Wrath -> Force pulse. This is enough to kill most players and we can repeat this without any cool down like other players who rely on procs or ultimates)

-Strong DoT's: Vampires Bane(not as strong as burning Embers but it is a ranged DoT) Purifying Light (Unblockable DoT, People love this skill especially when someone with 42-45k Magicka and 17k spellpen casts this at them) Meaning: even if you can not burst down other you still have the option to put high sustained pressure on the enemies at range (By the way Sweeps and Darkflare are the two hardest hitting spammables in the game)

- Ensures Group Survivability: Following Situation: some players try to focus one particular player in your group with high burst. Now a good group should have already a few HoT's running which should dampen the Impact of that incoming damage however the skill that saves that particular player is most likely breath of life/Honor the dead since it will always go to the player with the lowest health.No other class has such an easy targetable and stron Burst heal. Though I'm not a Healer the value of that skill is too high to not slot it in any PvP situation, and it is stronger than the one the regular healers can cast since i have high spell damage as above mentioned.
The other skill to mention here is the healing ulti. While the warden tree ulti can provide a constant HoT the templar Ulti can still heal your group trough very high in coming damage (destro Ultis, pushing trough Keep doors etc.)

For Solo/Small scale Application i found the Magicka Version of the Templar underperforming compared to the stamina version which i play too. haven't got the "stand your ground" mentality to work for me It is very frustrating especially against stamsorcs and stamblades with high incoming burst and much cc. So far i'm not satisfied with my workaround to find a build that puts out considerable damage and healing while lessening the impact of CC and high burst. It is bye the way very frustrating to fight against classes who can reset the fight at will.

For PvE Dps: Has anyone seen a selfbuffed Magplar parse above 38k like Nightblades/ Sorcs / Dk's can do? I have not.